Christian Singer Comes Out

[Yeraza_Bats]

I don't agree with this at all. Matt Chandler's church in Dallas has a small group for people that struggle with same sex attraction. If you struggle with this, you are gay. I have never been tempted in the least by this, it repulses me just like it repulses every other straight person. But I think that making blanket statements like this is neither Christlike nor helpful. I think it actually just causes people to feel more hopeless. I think we need to extend grace and be very careful about commenting about things we know little or nothing about.

I was wounded in a major way by a pastor that did just that. It caused me to completely run away from the Church or anything Christian at all. It was just too painful. When you attribute people's words as an extension of God's words, it can really damage you emotionally. My struggle is with OCD. It's a very real struggle that affects every aspect of my life, and is a personal hell. For a long time, I kept this part of myself private. But as I started to open up to people I trusted, I was accepted and loved. I was on my way to accepting myself. Then I told my pastor. He knew nothing at all and don't think he had ever even heard of OCD, but he told me that it was a sin, and I needed to repent. It hurts even now, 15 years later. I'm sure his intentions were good, but he caused a lot of hurt, and it was completely wrong for him to do that.

I don't know why the Church demonizes homosexuality like it's an unredeemable sin. We go to porn conventions and tell porn stars that Jesus loves them, and some get saved. But all we ever do is judge homosexuals. I don't know about you, but I have plenty of sin, including sexual sin, in my past and present. And no doubt, my future also. Making war against sin is a daily choice, but we will always have failures. It's rumored that Rich Mullins struggled with homosexuality and I think it's been confirmed that he had major struggles with alcohol. I also think that he loved God and influenced the world with his music. Was he not a Christian because he struggled with sin? Homosexuality is a difficult issue that we need to be very careful about. If someone is gay, they are going to struggle with it for the rest of their lives, no matter their intentions. It is wrong, no doubt. We shouldn't encourage someone to just live out a gay lifestyle like it sounds like Rob Bell did. But the call to salvation goes out to all, and Jesus looked at the multitudes and was moved with compassion for them. We need to love them and offer them the Gospel. Let God deal with their homosexual issues over the course of their lives, just like he deals with our heterosexual issues and the multitude of other sins that we are each prone to in our uniqueness.

No one said he is not a Christian for dealing with temptation. Many Christians deal with this, even here on this forum, before you go assuming everyone here knows nothing again.

They said he is not a Christian because he is accepting that life and living it out, making the claim that its okay to do so. He is going against the word of God and living out his desires. That is not what Christ would have us do, therefore he is not following Christ.

Being "gay" means you deal with a certain temptation. We both know it causes no harm to deny them. It can be stressful, but its not harmful.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

As a single person, it's incredibly difficult for me to suppress what feels natural and is indeed called natural by God. Imagine being gay, and knowing that you can't righteously act on what feels natural to you. And you get labeled and shamed into believing that you're vile, disgusting, sick.......all that does is fuel the shame that they already feel. And shame is about as painful an emotion as there is.

Im sure its equally as horrible as people who deal with the urge to look at lewd pictures of women, stressful, but not heart breaking.

And no, it is wrong, and we should look at it that way. Because what I did in my past life is shameful, the Lord has told us this. It is shameful just like lying, stealing, hating and all these other things. So yeah, we did wrong. It is through Christ that we have been cleansed and redeemed.

Do not try to comfort those in this struggle into their struggles, encourage them to leave it behind and come to God. It is wrong, it is not what was created, and it is a rebellion against God. If you believe the word of God, you should fully be aware that this is not the way we are made, and that there are beings we cant see pushing these things on us in hopes to destroy us.

 

[FlSnookman7]

your point is very interesting but it is not sound teaching I say that respectfully, and the reason why is because you suggest that the person who is attracted to a person of the same sex is gay. That is not true. that is no more true the a married man attracted to a women who he is not married to. The temptation is an appeal to the sinful nature of the flesh both homosexuality, adultery, and fornication . You can not be gay and a christian because God did not make gay. a person can be christian and have struggles in the flesh but that is not who they are t...hat is what they did. Gal 5:1 a willful act of sin and disobedience to GOD and HIS word. We cannot justify sin by pointing out another sin. the idea that one is gay and a christian is just not biblical the truth that Christians who practice sin including homosexuality are willfully sinning and that is not good the bible tell them we are to repent TURN away from it. there is no acceptance by God for it nor does HE endorse it, nor did HE create people that way.

Ok, so I am assuming you are not gay, nor am I. Can you ever see yourself at any point choosing to be gay?? No?? Me either. In fact it is so far away from anything I would choose I can't even imagine it. Since I know this is true about me I am forced to ask myself how anyone, anywhere given the choice would choose to be gay. It is inconceivable. That would tend to suggest that people are indeed born gay, would it not? Just as some are born alcoholics, some are born killers etc. I know for a fact God can heal the alcoholism and I believe He can heal anyone of anything. I do find it...interesting that I have been attacked and called names in this forum by people claiming to know Jesus. It is apparently a horrible sin to disagree with people's long held beliefs whether they are biblical or not. It's OK as I am totally secure in both my salvation and my understanding of the things the Holy Spirit has taught me. That being that the gospel of my Lord and Savior is one of grace and freedom not fear and loathing.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Ok, so I am assuming you are not gay, nor am I. Can you ever see yourself at any point choosing to be gay?? No?? Me either. In fact it is so far away from anything I would choose I can't even imagine it. Since I know this is true about me I am forced to ask myself how anyone, anywhere given the choice would choose to be gay. It is inconceivable. That would tend to suggest that people are indeed born gay, would it not?

Have you ever thought the idea of wearing a diaper was appealing in a sexual way? Me neither. Can you ever imagine yourself at any point chosing to wear a diaper for that reason? It is definitely not something I would ever consider myself. So, knowing this, we are forced to ask the question; Are people born with an attraction to wearing and using diapers?

 

[kaylagrl]

I don't agree with this at all. Matt Chandler's church in Dallas has a small group for people that struggle with same sex attraction. If you struggle with this, you are gay. I have never been tempted in the least by this, it repulses me just like it repulses every other straight person. But I think that making blanket statements like this is neither Christlike nor helpful. I think it actually just causes people to feel more hopeless. I think we need to extend grace and be very careful about commenting about things we know little or nothing about.

I was wounded in a major way by a pastor that did just that. It caused me to completely run away from the Church or anything Christian at all. It was just too painful. When you attribute people's words as an extension of God's words, it can really damage you emotionally. My struggle is with OCD. It's a very real struggle that affects every aspect of my life, and is a personal hell. For a long time, I kept this part of myself private. But as I started to open up to people I trusted, I was accepted and loved. I was on my way to accepting myself. Then I told my pastor. He knew nothing at all and don't think he had ever even heard of OCD, but he told me that it was a sin, and I needed to repent. It hurts even now, 15 years later. I'm sure his intentions were good, but he caused a lot of hurt, and it was completely wrong for him to do that.

I don't know why the Church demonizes homosexuality like it's an unredeemable sin. We go to porn conventions and tell porn stars that Jesus loves them, and some get saved. But all we ever do is judge homosexuals. I don't know about you, but I have plenty of sin, including sexual sin, in my past and present. And no doubt, my future also. Making war against sin is a daily choice, but we will always have failures. It's rumored that Rich Mullins struggled with homosexuality and I think it's been confirmed that he had major struggles with alcohol. I also think that he loved God and influenced the world with his music. Was he not a Christian because he struggled with sin? Homosexuality is a difficult issue that we need to be very careful about. If someone is gay, they are going to struggle with it for the rest of their lives, no matter their intentions. It is wrong, no doubt. We shouldn't encourage someone to just live out a gay lifestyle like it sounds like Rob Bell did. But the call to salvation goes out to all, and Jesus looked at the multitudes and was moved with compassion for them. We need to love them and offer them the Gospel. Let God deal with their homosexual issues over the course of their lives, just like he deals with our heterosexual issues and the multitude of other sins that we are each prone to in our uniqueness.

Quote " I think we need to extend grace and be very careful about commenting about things we know little or nothing about. "

I believe you can struggle with a sin and be a Christian. What we cannot do is continue to live in sin and say God condones our sin. We have to also be careful we aren't sending the message that God winks at sin.

Quote "Then I told my pastor. He knew nothing at all and don't think he had ever even heard of OCD, but he told me that it was a sin, and I needed to repent."

The pastor was 100% wrong. This is why we have to know what the Bible says for ourselves. Over the years I have called pastors out on these type of situations. I had a couple in my family that went to a local pastor for marriage counseling. His advice was so horrible and off base that they almost divorced. Just because one is a pastor doesn't mean their advice is right,unfortunately.


Quote "I don't know why the Church demonizes homosexuality like it's an unredeemable sin."

I don't know any church,personally, that demonizes homosexuals and Ive been in hundreds of churches. Its not an nonredeemable sin, in the Nt it says "you were some of these". So to preach that is against Gods Word.

Quote "It's rumored that Rich Mullins struggled with homosexuality and I think it's been confirmed that he had major struggles with alcohol."... Was he not a Christian because he struggled with sin?

People closest to him say that he was not gay. So I believe that to be just a rumor. And again, struggling with sin vs saying "Im gay and God is ok with that " are two different things.

Quote " If someone is gay, they are going to struggle with it for the rest of their lives, no matter their intentions."

I'm sorry,I disagree with that. God is able to save to the uttermost. You are limiting God when you say such a thing. God can save,deliver and heal.


Quote "We need to love them and offer them the Gospel."

100% agree.

 

[overthechill]

Have you ever thought the idea of wearing a diaper was appealing in a sexual way? Me neither. Can you ever imagine yourself at any point chosing to wear a diaper for that reason? It is definitely not something I would ever consider myself. So, knowing this, we are forced to ask the question; Are people born with an attraction to wearing and using diapers?

I might need one after reading that. Look - it could be that it's just not our business whether the guy is a Christian or not. What does our judgement count? I kind of think Snookman was on the right track except that I believe the Holy Spirit convicts those who are sinning. When did it become CC's job? You remember that verse in Matthew 9:38 when John tattled on some guy driving out spirits in Christ's name? Jesus told him that nobody can perform miracles in His name and speak evil of him and to leave the guy alone. Well, this kid has the gift of delivering a Christian message through his music. He's quite successful at it. He's probably helped more young people come to at least think about our Savior than all of us combined. So in my book, he's performing miracles in Jesus' name and not speaking evil of him and I'm going to leave the guy alone. He's got his own demons to work out. Do I just stop trusting the Holy Spirit to convict him? Can you possibly imagine the impact this kid could make if he did change his way sometime in the future?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I might need one after reading that. Look - it could be that it's just not our business whether the guy is a Christian or not. What does our judgement count? I kind of think Snookman was on the right track except that I believe the Holy Spirit convicts those who are sinning. When did it become CC's job? You remember that verse in Matthew 9:38 when John tattled on some guy driving out spirits in Christ's name? Jesus told him that nobody can perform miracles in His name and speak evil of him and to leave the guy alone. Well, this kid has the gift of delivering a Christian message through his music. He's quite successful at it. He's probably helped more young people come to at least think about our Savior than all of us combined. So in my book, he's performing miracles in Jesus' name and not speaking evil of him and I'm going to leave the guy alone. He's got his own demons to work out. Do I just stop trusting the Holy Spirit to convict him? Can you possibly imagine the impact this kid could make if he did change his way sometime in the future?

Those same youth he may have helped come to Christ are now being given the message that God accepts homosexuality.

I strongly believe that as His followers we should be speaking out against it, for the same young minds that may be coming here to see what other Christians think.

We should absolutely guide people to the Lord, and not sit quietly in an attempt to look friendly. It is not hateful to lead people away from the ways of the world to Him. In fact its the most loving thing we can do.

 

[kaylagrl]

Ok, so I am assuming you are not gay, nor am I. Can you ever see yourself at any point choosing to be gay?? No?? Me either. In fact it is so far away from anything I would choose I can't even imagine it. Since I know this is true about me I am forced to ask myself how anyone, anywhere given the choice would choose to be gay. It is inconceivable. That would tend to suggest that people are indeed born gay, would it not? Just as some are born alcoholics, some are born killers etc. I know for a fact God can heal the alcoholism and I believe He can heal anyone of anything. I do find it...interesting that I have been attacked and called names in this forum by people claiming to know Jesus. It is apparently a horrible sin to disagree with people's long held beliefs whether they are biblical or not. It's OK as I am totally secure in both my salvation and my understanding of the things the Holy Spirit has taught me. That being that the gospel of my Lord and Savior is one of grace and freedom not fear and loathing.

Quote "Can you ever see yourself at any point choosing to be gay?? No?? Me either. In fact it is so far away from anything I would choose I can't even imagine it. Since I know this is true about me I am forced to ask myself how anyone, anywhere given the choice would choose to be gay. It is inconceivable."

Sin is always a choice. Always,always,always a choice.


Quote "That would tend to suggest that people are indeed born gay, would it not? Just as some are born alcoholics, some are born killers etc."

No, Im sorry, that is your opinion only. The Bible says otherwise. No one is born a killer,a prostitute,a liar,an adulterer or gay. Its not in the Word and therefore,that is a false assumption.


Quote "I know for a fact God can heal the alcoholism and I believe He can heal anyone of anything."

He can and He does, but its up to us to accept His help.


Quote " I do find it...interesting that I have been attacked and called names in this forum by people claiming to know Jesus."

I dont think,in fact I know I haven't attacked you. Your views are against what the Bibles teaches,on this subject at least. These views would be considered liberal. Christians do not believe people are born gay,the Bible doesn't teach it. So Im not attacking you or calling names. All I can say is your position is not Biblical.

Quote "It is apparently a horrible sin to disagree with people's long held beliefs whether they are biblical or not."

I can't speak for others, but I know my beliefs are Biblical.


Quote "It's OK as I am totally secure in both my salvation and my understanding of the things the Holy Spirit has taught me. "

The Holy Spirit will not lead you astray. If you are saying the Holy Spirit led you to this belief you are seriously wrong. The Holy Spirit will not go against Gods Word and give you a special revelation.



Quote "the gospel of my Lord and Savior is one of grace and freedom not fear and loathing."

Why is there fear in preaching the Word of God? The Bible says sin leads to death. Preaching the truth is never wrong. I was in evangelism for 20yrs and saw possibly hundreds of people come to the Lord preaching that truth.

 

[overthechill]

Those same youth he may have helped come to Christ are now being given the message that God accepts homosexuality.

I strongly believe that as His followers we should be speaking out against it, for the same young minds that may be coming here to see what other Christians think.

We should absolutely guide people to the Lord, and not sit quietly in an attempt to look friendly. It is not hateful to lead people away from the ways of the world to Him. In fact its the most loving thing we can do.

When I accepted Christ as my savior and by God's grace saved I was not convicted of my sins, I was forgiven of them. God didn't remind me of what I had to give up in order to become one of His. He convicted me through the Holy Spirit. He fed me MILK in the beginning and then put me on more solid food as I grew in Christ. What is more important? For these young people to understand the gift of God through His Salvation by Grace or that homosexuality is not one of his acceptable sins?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

When I accepted Christ as my savior and by God's grace saved I was not convicted of my sins, I was forgiven of them. God didn't remind me of what I had to give up in order to become one of His. He convicted me through the Holy Spirit. He fed me MILK in the beginning and then put me on more solid food as I grew in Christ. What is more important? For these young people to understand the gift of God through His Salvation by Grace or that homosexuality is not one of his acceptable sins?

Acceptable sins? And it is 100% important for those coming to Christ to know that they cannot live in sin. They must repent of their sins and come to Christ. If someone who is claiming to speak for Christ is telling people you can have both a homosexual lifestyle and be with Him, then we need to 100% come with the word of God telling those who are listening they must repent of their sins.

If we repent, He is compassionate enough to forgive us. In what way have we repented if we continue living that life?

 

[jennymae]

After "flipping" through this thread I have decided to start praying for all yall. What's the point in bickering about this? The good Lord is the only one who knows, we are just interpreting the Bible...for the most part in our own miserable way.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Also, for all the people who keep making the accusation that the people of this forum just keeping talking about homosexuality, just looking at the forum now, I see multiple threads on Catholicism, hyper-grace theology, Islam, gender roles, dealing with pornography, and all those same other issues.

Maybe its not that this forum is so focused on homosexuality, but that your focus is only place on such threads.

Also, these are popular issues that we are dealing with in todays world, so it is only natural that it would be talked about.

And Im not even sure what the harm is in talking about it. There are new people here everyday looking for the word of God, and this is a part of the word of God. God hates the sin, but loves us that He gave His only begotten Son for us. I think we should absolutely be talking about it.

 

[kaylagrl]

I might need one after reading that. Look - it could be that it's just not our business whether the guy is a Christian or not. What does our judgement count? I kind of think Snookman was on the right track except that I believe the Holy Spirit convicts those who are sinning. When did it become CC's job? You remember that verse in Matthew 9:38 when John tattled on some guy driving out spirits in Christ's name? Jesus told him that nobody can perform miracles in His name and speak evil of him and to leave the guy alone. Well, this kid has the gift of delivering a Christian message through his music. He's quite successful at it. He's probably helped more young people come to at least think about our Savior than all of us combined. So in my book, he's performing miracles in Jesus' name and not speaking evil of him and I'm going to leave the guy alone. He's got his own demons to work out. Do I just stop trusting the Holy Spirit to convict him? Can you possibly imagine the impact this kid could make if he did change his way sometime in the future?

Quote "Look - it could be that it's just not our business whether the guy is a Christian or not. "

Wow,I can't believe that statement. This person is in ministry and one that is mainly to youth. And it shouldn't matter if he's a Christian or not! Thats unbelievable to me.

Quote " What does our judgement count?"

Homosexuality is sin and God is not ok with a person continuing in that lifestyle.How is that judging?!

Quote " When did it become CC's job?"

This is a discussion forum,not a church service. Its what people do here.



Quote "You remember that verse in Matthew 9:38 when John tattled on some guy driving out spirits in Christ's name? Jesus told him that nobody can perform miracles in His name and speak evil of him and to leave the guy alone. Well, this kid has the gift of delivering a Christian message through his music. He's quite successful at it. He's probably helped more young people come to at least think about our Savior than all of us combined. So in my book, he's performing miracles in Jesus' name and not speaking evil of him and I'm going to leave the guy alone."

I think you meant Mark,not Matt. And they {disciples} wanted to forbid the man because he was not part of their group. It's not in the least similar to this situation. Not at all.The Bible says to whom much is given,much is required. This man is in a place of ministry and he is condoning his sin. Its wrong and he needs to step down if he feels this way. He is influencing young people,what he says and does matters. What he had done for the kingdom he has undone. He is not doing anything in Jesus name. He has put himself against God and his Word. I hope he wakes up before it is too late.


Quote "Can you possibly imagine the impact this kid could make if he did change his way sometime in the future?"

Yes, it would be a wonderful testimony. But until then he needs to step down and get right with the Lord.

 

[kaylagrl]

After "flipping" through this thread I have decided to start praying for all yall. What's the point in bickering about this? The good Lord is the only one who knows, we are just interpreting the Bible...for the most part in our own miserable way.

There's nothing much to interpret, homosexuality is sin, sin leads to death. Pretty easy and simple. What complicates it is people wanting to soften the message to be acceptable so people will come to church and think they are ok with God when they are not.

 

[kaylagrl]

your point is very interesting but it is not sound teaching I say that respectfully, and the reason why is because you suggest that the person who is attracted to a person of the same sex is gay. That is not true. that is no more true the a married man attracted to a women who he is not married to. The temptation is an appeal to the sinful nature of the flesh both homosexuality, adultery, and fornication . You can not be gay and a christian because God did not make gay. a person can be christian and have struggles in the flesh but that is not who they are t...hat is what they did. Gal 5:1 a willful act of sin and disobedience to GOD and HIS word. We cannot justify sin by pointing out another sin. the idea that one is gay and a christian is just not biblical the truth that Christians who practice sin including homosexuality are willfully sinning and that is not good the bible tell them we are to repent TURN away from it. there is no acceptance by God for it nor does HE endorse it, nor did HE create people that way.

Its too bad you cant receive reps, this post certainly deserves it. Consider yourself rep'd.

 

[overthechill]

Acceptable sins? And it is 100% important for those coming to Christ to know that they cannot live in sin. They must repent of their sins and come to Christ. If someone who is claiming to speak for Christ is telling people you can have both a homosexual lifestyle and be with Him, then we need to 100% come with the word of God telling those who are listening they must repent of their sins.

If we repent, He is compassionate enough to forgive us. In what way have we repented if we continue living that life?

What you say is true. The way I'm trying to explain is maybe better said in an example. When I first came to Christ I was naturally aware of sin in my life and was ready to repent of those sins. And I did and God forgave me of those sins. Since then, there have many more convictions as I have become more aware of as I grew in the faith. At first for instance, I didn't see any problems when I was 20 years old to continue smoking cigarettes even though I was told it was sin. Three quarters of the world did it too, after all. However, I was convicted after some time that smoking was in essence defiling the temple of my body that God had made and I could understand that in a way that God had helped me understand. It was sin I became aware of later as I came to know God more.

This is what I mean when I said that God gave me milk to begin with. On everyone's personal level, convictions will take place and the same message that God gave us through Christ 2k years ago will prevail today through the Holy Spirit; the same convictions, the same sins. I even believe the young man will some day be convicted of his sin if he stays and grows in faith.

I just believe that people try to stuff the hard food down a baby's throat. This causes those babies to reject this holy food. Yes they will learn what you know now, but they don't know now what you had to learn.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

What you say is true. The way I'm trying to explain is maybe better said in an example. When I first came to Christ I was naturally aware of sin in my life and was ready to repent of those sins. And I did and God forgave me of those sins. Since then, there have many more convictions as I have become more aware of as I grew in the faith. At first for instance, I didn't see any problems when I was 20 years old to continue smoking cigarettes even though I was told it was sin. Three quarters of the world did it too, after all. However, I was convicted after some time that smoking was in essence defiling the temple of my body that God had made and I could understand that in a way that God had helped me understand. It was sin I became aware of later as I came to know God more.

This is what I mean when I said that God gave me milk to begin with. On everyone's personal level, convictions will take place and the same message that God gave us through Christ 2k years ago will prevail today through the Holy Spirit; the same convictions, the same sins. I even believe the young man will some day be convicted of his sin if he stays and grows in faith.

I just believe that people try to stuff the hard food down a baby's throat. This causes those babies to reject this holy food. Yes they will learn what you know now, but they don't know now what you had to learn.

I am not going to condemn the man, the way I judge a man will be used to judge me. If I condemn him for his sins, why should I be forgiven of mine?

But I will definitely stand on Gods word, I cannot tell him that we are in agreement, and I cannot tell him that God is okay with his choices. And I definitely want to guide those who may listen to his message of God's love and homosexuality away from him and to the word of God. Though our struggles can be hard at times, reach out to Him for help with faith and a real desire for Him to change your life. And He can carry you through.

 

[kaylagrl]

When I accepted Christ as my savior and by God's grace saved I was not convicted of my sins, I was forgiven of them. God didn't remind me of what I had to give up in order to become one of His. He convicted me through the Holy Spirit. He fed me MILK in the beginning and then put me on more solid food as I grew in Christ. What is more important? For these young people to understand the gift of God through His Salvation by Grace or that homosexuality is not one of his acceptable sins?

Quote "I was not convicted of my sins, I was forgiven of them."

John 16-[FONT=&quot]"And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment...

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Oswald Chambers: "Conviction of sin is one of the rarest things that ever strikes a man. It is the threshold of an understanding of God. Jesus Christ said that when the Holy Spirit came He would convict of sin, and when the Holy Spirit rouses the conscience and brings him into the presence of God, it is not his relationship with men that bothers him, but his relationship with God."

[/FONT]2 Cor.-[FONT=&quot]Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. See what this godly sorrow has produced in you...

[/FONT]Jesus told us to count the cost of following Him. So maybe you didn't do that,but the Bible tells us to do just that.

Quote"He fed me MILK in the beginning and then put me on more solid food as I grew in Christ. "

Yes,but this man isn't a new Christian,he's past the milk stage,he's in ministry.

Quote "What is more important? For these young people to understand the gift of God through His Salvation by Grace or that homosexuality is not one of his acceptable sins?"

Your question is faulty. Of course understanding grace is important. But its also very important that they understand homosexuality is a serious sin and that path will put them in bondage. Youth are very impressionable and its important that we protect them against bad influences and false doctrine.

 

[overthechill]

Quote "I was not convicted of my sins, I was forgiven of them."

John 16-"And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment...

Oswald Chambers: "Conviction of sin is one of the rarest things that ever strikes a man. It is the threshold of an understanding of God. Jesus Christ said that when the Holy Spirit came He would convict of sin, and when the Holy Spirit rouses the conscience and brings him into the presence of God, it is not his relationship with men that bothers him, but his relationship with God."

2 Cor.-Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. See what this godly sorrow has produced in you...

Jesus told us to count the cost of following Him. So maybe you didn't do that,but the Bible tells us to do just that.

Quote"He fed me MILK in the beginning and then put me on more solid food as I grew in Christ. "

Yes,but this man isn't a new Christian,he's past the milk stage,he's in ministry.

Quote "What is more important? For these young people to understand the gift of God through His Salvation by Grace or that homosexuality is not one of his acceptable sins?"

Your question is faulty. Of course understanding grace is important. But its also very important that they understand homosexuality is a serious sin and that path will put them in bondage. Youth are very impressionable and its important that we protect them against bad influences and false doctrine.

It would be entirely biblical of me to demand you remain silent and to take your inquiries to your husband but otherwise keep to yourself 1Cor 14:33-35. However, this has been softened through the ages and is obviously something not followed by most people. Matter of fact, I would most certainly be negatively received by you and by most women and my message heard would not be about my previous posts, but rather about what I said about women.

I UNDERSTAND that homosexuality is an abomination to God and thus to His servants, but for those who don't know God, their convictions are the exact opposite of that and these new potential Christians that you wish to protect will hear your negative message about homosexuality and remember you for that and not for your message of good news through salvation. All I'm saying is to let God convict (as you pointed out) rather than you.

 

[kaylagrl]

It would be entirely biblical of me to demand you remain silent and to take your inquiries to your husband but otherwise keep to yourself 1Cor 14:33-35. However, this has been softened through the ages and is obviously something not followed by most people. Matter of fact, I would most certainly be negatively received by you and by most women and my message heard would not be about my previous posts, but rather about what I said about women.

I UNDERSTAND that homosexuality is an abomination to God and thus to His servants, but for those who don't know God, their convictions are the exact opposite of that and these new potential Christians that you wish to protect will hear your negative message about homosexuality and remember you for that and not for your message of good news through salvation. All I'm saying is to let God convict (as you pointed out) rather than you.

Quote "It would be entirely biblical of me to demand you remain silent and to take your inquiries to your husband but otherwise keep to yourself 1Cor 14:33-35. "

Yes,if I was yelling questions at you across the church as per 1 Cor. and you were the pastor you'd be in your right to do so. But this isn't a church setting so your point is rather moot.

Quote " However, this has been softened through the ages and is obviously something not followed by most people."

Well Ive seen pastors rebuke men and women that have spoken out in church that were not in order,I believe it should still be done. But that wasn't talking about sin, that was talking about order in the church,a totally different situation.

Quote " All I'm saying is to let God convict (as you pointed out) rather than you."

So preaching that sin leads to death and that homosexuality is sin, thats wrong,according to you. When you preach the full Gospel people ARE convicted. I'm not convicting anyone,nor am I judging. We are called to be salt and light. I have news folks, it you share the Gospel it will convict people,it will offend people and it might even anger people. But that doesn't mean you stop sharing the Gospel.