PATRIOTISM IS BIBLICAL, But Is It Dying In AMERICA?
- Thread starter VCO
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I can tell you never served in the Military over Seas, and Hanoi Jane was propbably your hero growing up.
And this was probably your dream vehicle while you were growing up:
And this was probably your dream vehicle while you were growing up:
Also by forswearing this oath to God they put themselves under the curse to perform the vows they forswore to God, but would later fail to keep. (tisk,tisk)
And by the way the first vehicle I owned was a candy apple red Nova like this.....
BEG YOUR PARDON, but even you should know better than that. THAT word "them" above, refers to ONLY PAGAN worshiping nations.
Genesis 17:6-8 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings shall come from you.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.”
Genesis 26:25-30 (ASV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And he builded an altar there, and called upon the name of Jehovah, and pitched his tent there. And there Isaac's servants digged a well.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Then Abimelech went to him from Gerar, and Ahuzzath his friend, and Phicol the captain of his host.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And Isaac said unto them, Wherefore are ye come unto me, seeing ye hate me, and have sent me away from you?
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And they said, We saw plainly that Jehovah was with thee. And we said, Let there now be an oath betwixt us, even betwixt us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee,
[SUP]29 [/SUP] that thou wilt do us no hurt, as we have not touched thee, and as we have done unto thee nothing but good, and have sent thee away in peace. Thou art now the blessed of Jehovah.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And he made them a feast, and they did eat and drink.
Genesis 17:6-8 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings shall come from you.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.”
Genesis 26:25-30 (ASV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And he builded an altar there, and called upon the name of Jehovah, and pitched his tent there. And there Isaac's servants digged a well.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Then Abimelech went to him from Gerar, and Ahuzzath his friend, and Phicol the captain of his host.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And Isaac said unto them, Wherefore are ye come unto me, seeing ye hate me, and have sent me away from you?
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And they said, We saw plainly that Jehovah was with thee. And we said, Let there now be an oath betwixt us, even betwixt us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee,
[SUP]29 [/SUP] that thou wilt do us no hurt, as we have not touched thee, and as we have done unto thee nothing but good, and have sent thee away in peace. Thou art now the blessed of Jehovah.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And he made them a feast, and they did eat and drink.
You do know VCO the Scriptures you quoted are for Israel not the USA?
How dare you put the USA in the place that belongs to Israel!
Its outrageous that you quote Scripture that talks about Israel and insert instead the USA into it.
You do know God will judge you for this.
Repent and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
How dare you put the USA in the place that belongs to Israel!
Its outrageous that you quote Scripture that talks about Israel and insert instead the USA into it.
You do know God will judge you for this.
Repent and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
I thank God I did not have to serve and kill another human being for the sake of the rich man's agenda. But I did sign up for the draft, even though looking back now I see how that is also against the 13th amendment of the Constitution by forcing "involuntary servitude" on others who think killing your fellow man is contrary to loving your fellow man. And so the hypocrites in Washington who claim to be Christian foreswore an oath to God (which Jesus Christ warned us not to do) to uphold a Constitution which they would later break by using coercion to force "involuntary servitude" on others to do their killing.
Also by forswearing this oath to God they put themselves under the curse to perform the vows they forswore to God, but would later fail to keep. (tisk,tisk)
And by the way the first vehicle I owned was a candy apple red Nova like this.....
Pretty boss huh?
Also by forswearing this oath to God they put themselves under the curse to perform the vows they forswore to God, but would later fail to keep. (tisk,tisk)
And by the way the first vehicle I owned was a candy apple red Nova like this.....
Matthew 22:21 (ASV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
That certainly includes MILITARY SERVICE IF YOU ARE DRAFTED. Almost everyone in the ROMAN ARMY was drafted, yet CHRIST SAID THIS:
Luke 7:6-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Jesus went with them, and when He was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to tell Him, “Lord, don’t trouble Yourself, since I am not worthy to have You come under my roof.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] That is why I didn’t even consider myself worthy to come to You. But say the word, and my servant will be cured.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For I too am a man placed under authority, having soldiers under my command. I say to this one, ‘Go!’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come!’ and he comes; and to my slave, ‘Do this!’ and he does it.”
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus heard this and was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following Him, He said, “I tell you, I have not found so great a faith even in Israel!”
Luke 12:37-38 (NASB)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.
Romans 13:1-8 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Jeremiah 9:16 (GW)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I will scatter them among nations that they and their ancestors haven't heard of. I will send armies after them until I've wiped them out.
Hebrews 11:32-34 (NIV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets,
[SUP]33 [/SUP] who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions,
[SUP]34 [/SUP] quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies.
God is NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL.
Genesis 12:2-3 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
Genesis 12:2-3 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
The U.S. government worships a god of forces (Armed forces) as is written would happen in the last days...
Daniel 11:38
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
This is how the US government honors their god of forces (Army, navy, airforce, marines).....
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
You must have misunderstood what I said, or you are just trying to accuse and bring false accusations. I said I signed up for the draft, not that I burned draft cards. (get your facts straight)
Also I pay taxes, not to Caesar, but state and Federal, so what is your point?
And John the Baptist said this.....
Luke 3:14
And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages."
And Jesus said this.....
Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take up the sword shall perish with the sword.
Daniel 11:38
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
This is how the US government honors their god of forces (Army, navy, airforce, marines).....
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
You must have misunderstood what I said, or you are just trying to accuse and bring false accusations. I said I signed up for the draft, not that I burned draft cards. (get your facts straight)
Also I pay taxes, not to Caesar, but state and Federal, so what is your point?
And John the Baptist said this.....
Luke 3:14
And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages."
And Jesus said this.....
Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take up the sword shall perish with the sword.
Last edited:
I think Obama has showed some constraint by not listening to all the warmongers calls in the military and in his cabinet who want to solve every issue by blowing people up, overthrowing governments, and starting new wars just to get weapon sales up for big business profits. But even still Obama has given into a lot of their desires by funding them with plenty of tax payer $$$$$$$$$$.
isn't it just common sense that when we throw God's Flag-Banner into the ditch, that absolutely
nothing good can come from it???
our Father requires our respect at every level of His 'rule' and when the people and those who allow them
to dis-honor everything He represents, then, patriotism for iniquity is dead - we are to serve The Living God,
and as it is written, 'Seek you first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness'...
our 'first allegiance' should always be to The Holy Kingdom, for all of the kingdoms of this world
shall perish...
nothing good can come from it???
our Father requires our respect at every level of His 'rule' and when the people and those who allow them
to dis-honor everything He represents, then, patriotism for iniquity is dead - we are to serve The Living God,
and as it is written, 'Seek you first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness'...
our 'first allegiance' should always be to The Holy Kingdom, for all of the kingdoms of this world
shall perish...
Who are you worshiping VCO? Who is your God?
Sounds like Patriotism is your god.
God never told us to murder people for our country. But unfortunately this country was founded on the blood of innocent people, the Native Americans.
God will and has already judge all those who spill innocent blood for this country. Do you really think VCO God is going to reward those who murdered the Native Americans? No.
He will toss them in the Lake of Fire forever.
Calling someone a wanta be draft card burner i believe is grounds for reporting you.
I do not see the Love of God in you, all i see is hate.
Sounds like Patriotism is your god.
God never told us to murder people for our country. But unfortunately this country was founded on the blood of innocent people, the Native Americans.
God will and has already judge all those who spill innocent blood for this country. Do you really think VCO God is going to reward those who murdered the Native Americans? No.
He will toss them in the Lake of Fire forever.
Calling someone a wanta be draft card burner i believe is grounds for reporting you.
I do not see the Love of God in you, all i see is hate.
NOT EVEN CLOSE, but telling you about Patriotism, is second to my LOVE for JESUS CHRIST as my LORD, which means MASTER. I do however believe GOD has commanded us to be Patriotic:
Romans 13:1-7 (GW)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Every person should obey the government in power. No government would exist if it hadn't been established by God. The governments which exist have been put in place by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore, whoever resists the government opposes what God has established. Those who resist will bring punishment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] People who do what is right don't have to be afraid of the government. But people who do what is wrong should be afraid of it. Would you like to live without being afraid of the government? Do what is right, and it will praise you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The government is God's servant working for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid. The government has the right to carry out the death sentence. It is God's servant, an avenger to execute God's anger on anyone who does what is wrong.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore, it is necessary for you to obey, not only because you're afraid of God's anger but also because of your own conscience.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That is also why you pay your taxes. People in the government are God's servants while they do the work he has given them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Pay everyone whatever you owe them. If you owe taxes, pay them. If you owe tolls, pay them. If you owe someone respect, respect that person. If you owe someone honor, honor that person.
NOW WOULD YOU CARE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME AND GOD, WHAT THE SINS OF NON-BORN AGAIN LEADERS OF THE PAST, HAS TO DO WITH GIVING YOU PERMISSION TO BE DISOBEDIENT TO THE VERSES ABOVE? ? ?
[video=youtube;vBZSBGHm0RY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBZSBGHm0RY[/video]
You forget, we are ALL equally as guilty
as those who gunned down innocent unarmed Native Americans.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point
is guilty of breaking all of it.
That is why HE SAID:
Matthew 7:1-2 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]“Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
That word Judge, means to pass sentence upon.
Isn't that what you did when you said, "He will toss them in the Lake of Fire forever."?
Not only that, you contradict what HE said:
Mark 3:28-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I assure you: People will be forgiven for all sins and whatever blasphemies they may blaspheme.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
[SUP]30 [/SUP] because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
NOW, I admit I showed anger, when I shouldn't have. Forgive me. I have a weak link button, when I hear someone repeating the kind things that Jane Fonda said and did, while we Served Our Country, during the Vietnam Era. Coming home to that MESS she stirred up, hurt very deep; which is something you can NEVER understand, because you did not experience it. Pray for me and I will strive to do better.
I am not advising you watch these videos, but if you want to learn about the harm Jane Fonda did, there are plenty of Videos on YouTube.
What people back then and NOW do not remember, is our troops belonged in Vietnam, because Our Country signed the South East Asia Treaty Organization document, in which we vowed to protect them. WE DID NOT LOSE IN VIETNAM, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS, DID NOT ALLOW US TO WIN.
Romans 13:1-7 (GW)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Every person should obey the government in power. No government would exist if it hadn't been established by God. The governments which exist have been put in place by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore, whoever resists the government opposes what God has established. Those who resist will bring punishment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] People who do what is right don't have to be afraid of the government. But people who do what is wrong should be afraid of it. Would you like to live without being afraid of the government? Do what is right, and it will praise you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The government is God's servant working for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid. The government has the right to carry out the death sentence. It is God's servant, an avenger to execute God's anger on anyone who does what is wrong.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore, it is necessary for you to obey, not only because you're afraid of God's anger but also because of your own conscience.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That is also why you pay your taxes. People in the government are God's servants while they do the work he has given them.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Pay everyone whatever you owe them. If you owe taxes, pay them. If you owe tolls, pay them. If you owe someone respect, respect that person. If you owe someone honor, honor that person.
NOW WOULD YOU CARE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME AND GOD, WHAT THE SINS OF NON-BORN AGAIN LEADERS OF THE PAST, HAS TO DO WITH GIVING YOU PERMISSION TO BE DISOBEDIENT TO THE VERSES ABOVE? ? ?
[video=youtube;vBZSBGHm0RY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBZSBGHm0RY[/video]
You forget, we are ALL equally as guilty
as those who gunned down innocent unarmed Native Americans.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point
is guilty of breaking all of it.
That is why HE SAID:
Matthew 7:1-2 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]“Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
That word Judge, means to pass sentence upon.
Isn't that what you did when you said, "He will toss them in the Lake of Fire forever."?
Not only that, you contradict what HE said:
Mark 3:28-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I assure you: People will be forgiven for all sins and whatever blasphemies they may blaspheme.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
[SUP]30 [/SUP] because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
NOW, I admit I showed anger, when I shouldn't have. Forgive me. I have a weak link button, when I hear someone repeating the kind things that Jane Fonda said and did, while we Served Our Country, during the Vietnam Era. Coming home to that MESS she stirred up, hurt very deep; which is something you can NEVER understand, because you did not experience it. Pray for me and I will strive to do better.
I am not advising you watch these videos, but if you want to learn about the harm Jane Fonda did, there are plenty of Videos on YouTube.
What people back then and NOW do not remember, is our troops belonged in Vietnam, because Our Country signed the South East Asia Treaty Organization document, in which we vowed to protect them. WE DID NOT LOSE IN VIETNAM, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS, DID NOT ALLOW US TO WIN.
You are, indeed, confused since the hate comes from a delusion you succumb to. That is clearly evident from your posts in which you continually engage in projections. Projections that come from warped thinking that is incapable of absorbing, analyzing, and integrating facts in an objective and rational manner. But perhaps you will learn some day.
At least, one can only hope.
Some have argued here that VCO is incorrect in saying that patriotism has a biblical basis. I say there is basis for that sentiment as shown by the fact that Israel observed a patriotic holiday in the Passover (a day in which freedom from foreign slavery is celebrated). Jesus clearly observes Passover in the New Testament thereby setting an example that patriotic holidays can and should be observed.