in-reply-to-the-statement,,,'Jesus is not God'
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hey my friends the little jew in me told me to start this thread 
sometimes it seems that all christians believe that jesus is god in the flesh but thats not true.
jesus is son of god not god himself.
i give you one example: when jesus was hanging at the cross he said " my god my god why have you forsaken me" so he was praying to god when he was at the cross so he cant be god.
you guys always say jesus is in heaven sitting next to the father so is jesus the father?
i dont want to hurt feelings but you have to understand that. Its important for his second coming.
when he comes and you think hes god you get too confused.
sometimes it seems that all christians believe that jesus is god in the flesh but thats not true.
jesus is son of god not god himself.
i give you one example: when jesus was hanging at the cross he said " my god my god why have you forsaken me" so he was praying to god when he was at the cross so he cant be god.
you guys always say jesus is in heaven sitting next to the father so is jesus the father?
i dont want to hurt feelings but you have to understand that. Its important for his second coming.
when he comes and you think hes god you get too confused.
If you talk to yourself you can't be one person? Your logic is next to non-existent at this point (LOL). Hey, have you read the Bible? It is a very interesting collection of books! If you ever get around to reading it, the gospels will inform you that Jesus quite a few times stated that He said and did all things for our benefit, as the Father directed Him to. Very much like how your hand does all you will it to, for the benefit of the totality of your being. Also, when Jesus cried out to God on the cross just before death, He was quoting Psalm 22. I really hope you read the Bible some day!
:smoke: let the scriptures speaks for itself
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Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus,
6*Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a treasure to be grasped,
7*But emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men;
8*And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient even unto death, and that the death of a cross.
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godbless us all always
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Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus,
6*Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a treasure to be grasped,
7*But emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men;
8*And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient even unto death, and that the death of a cross.
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godbless us all always
J
and almost two thousand years later people are still debating this. so what. you put someone under a microscope and your gonna find something. i never said he was perfect and i never said i agree with all his teachings. i agree with what he stood for.
we really know nothing of what he believed, all his works were burned by rome. if he truly was a heretic, strange they would burn the evidence. but none the less i am sure there was nothing to hide, Constantine himself gave the order, a man that boiled his wife alive, had his own son executed and would not be baptized until the last moment of his life. he sounds very trustworthy to me.
we really know nothing of what he believed, all his works were burned by rome. if he truly was a heretic, strange they would burn the evidence. but none the less i am sure there was nothing to hide, Constantine himself gave the order, a man that boiled his wife alive, had his own son executed and would not be baptized until the last moment of his life. he sounds very trustworthy to me.
I could not care less about Arius. What I am concerned with is the atheistic doctrine that denies the deity of Jesus regardless of who it comes from. Clearly you do not believe what scripture has to say regarding the nature of Jesus. Why do you not just be honest and say flat out that you deny everything scripture says about Jesus as God.
and again as it is written
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HEBREWS 1
1*God, having spoken of old in many portions and in many ways to the fathers in the prophets,
2*Has at the last of these days spoken to us in the Son, whom He appointed Heir of all things, through whom also He made the universe;
3*Who, being the effulgence of His glory and the impress of His substance and upholding and bearing all things by the word of His power, having made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4*Having become as much better than the angels as to have inherited a more distinguished name than they.
5*For to which of the angels has He ever said, “You are My Son; this day have I begotten You”? And again, “I will be a Father to Him, and He will be a Son to Me”?
6*And when He brings again the Firstborn into the inhabited earth, He says, “And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
... . and this is the truth
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Hebrews 6:18
In order that by two unchangeable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we may have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us,
19 Which we have as an anchor of the soul, both secure and firm and which enters within the veil,
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godbless us all always
J
you seemed to be quite interested in him before i brought up legitimate points that are not so easy to explain.
i dont deny what Jesus teaches. i disagree with councils telling me what Jesus teaches.
i dont make statements on what the true complete nature of Jesus is. he was a man and then some, the Son sent by the Father. beyond that i am not sure.
i dont deny what Jesus teaches. i disagree with councils telling me what Jesus teaches.
i dont make statements on what the true complete nature of Jesus is. he was a man and then some, the Son sent by the Father. beyond that i am not sure.
No, you are not disagreeing with councils, you are in disagreement with scripture. You know what the scriptures say about Jesus as God. You simply choose not to believe the testimony of scripture. You deny every passage of scripture that has anything to say about Jesus as God - even when it is his own words.
Unfortunately, its not for everyone else. For example, Muslims often like to point out the verse where Christ says He wants His followers to be one with God as well, making the claim that Christ meant His oneness was God was due to His being such a great guy, and not a part of God.
So its good to study up on the bible and know how to defend His relationship with God.
So its good to study up on the bible and know how to defend His relationship with God.
I think you are probably one of the most intellectually dishonest people I have ever seen on this forum. There is no doctrine more profoundly stated or defended in scripture than the deity of Christ. Like I said, you have no regard for the testimony of scripture on this matter. How on earth can you read passages like Isaiah 6, Isaiah 9, John 1, Heb 1, Phil 2, or Rev 1-3 and a host of others and not understand what these passages clearly state about the nature of Jesus. You despise these texts just as you despise the Lord. You have no love for the Jesus of the Bible, you only love your idea of him.
What about the OT passages saying that He would be God in the flesh? Did God make a man and then made him God? That doesnt really make much sense, seeing that God "shares His glory with no one". Not to mention, where Jesus tells us He will be our judge, the OT tells us God alone is our judge.
If you put 2 and 2 together, it becomes easy to see that He is God. It is all over the bible.
If you put 2 and 2 together, it becomes easy to see that He is God. It is all over the bible.
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