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as it is written :read:
James 1:20
For the wrath of man works not the righteousness of God.
21*Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and abundance of evil, and receive with meekness the implanted word, b which is able to save your souls.
22*But be all of you doers of the word, c and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23*For if any be a hearer of the word, d and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
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sing a different tune? sharia law? anyway the answer to the question is NO. it is no biblically , it is no by the laws of nature, and it is no by the law of reproduction. You do not have the right to trump 99.9% of the worlds population to give concessions to 00.01% to a sexual preference . The 00.01% is that of gays when you take away the false % of transgender and bisexuals.
Not exactly, anyone living in such a sinful life and never repents will go to hell yes but to say that homosexuals are going to hell is not true because for all we know they may change their ways and come to Christ. I think what your trying to say is if they continue to live in such a manner and never repent or change and come to God then they go to hell in which case this is true for anyone who continues to live life how they please
it's not always that simple. Sometimes when coming to Christ a person is instantly set free of their desires like their lust for the same sex other times God allows us to continue to have this thorn in our side so we rely so heavily on him. if they have such desires still and struggle with them then they technically are still homosexuals but they also are saved
To have a desire or being tempted is not the same as committing a sin. If you are tempted and do not act upon it to fulfill the temptation then you have not committed a sin. If you are tempted and go out and have homo sex with other men then you are committing sodomy and are officially a sodomite until you repent and stop practicing it.
If you have never had sex, does that mean you are not a heterosexual? That is rather silly. Your interests define your sexuality, you may lust after women or had crushes on women thereby confirming your heterosexuality. In the same way homosexual men have had feeling towards their same-sex. For you to dismiss their homosexuality because they haven't acted upon their urges or interests is poor logic. If what you say is true then all virgins are asexual, but we know that isn't the case, they simply haven't acted upon their sexuality. In the same way a homosexual man or a heterosexual man may resist their desires/urges and still be that sexuality.
Also why are you making it harder for homosexuals to get to Heaven than for you? Have you repented of all the sin in your life? Are you sinless? VVhy are you complicating the Gospel of Jesus Christ by making it a work instead of by grace through faith?
Yes, homosexuals can be set free by the grace of God, as can all sinners from that which binds them. The problem is that you are insisting they be set free (stop committing that sin) in order to be saved, and that is Lordship Salvation. Putting sanctification above justification by grace. One doesn't clean themselves up in order to get saved, they come in dirty and get washed in the blood of Christ that makes our sins as white as snow. Then God works on us, sanctifying us, to set us free from bondage and strongholds.
I am not saying they ought to continue in that sin, by no means. They have been set free of sin's dominion under grace, but for you to tell people that they must stop committing any particular sin or they are doomed to Hell, then you have forgotten that which Jesus accomplished at the cross by His flesh and blood. Instead of condemning people, point them to the savior who sets them free from sin's dominion. Point them to the victory found in Christ. Tell them about being born-again, made a new creation. Inform them of what it means to partake in Jesus' death and resurrection (symbolized in baptism). In this way you exhort these people, and not condemn those that Jesus desires to save.
Also why are you making it harder for homosexuals to get to Heaven than for you? Have you repented of all the sin in your life? Are you sinless? VVhy are you complicating the Gospel of Jesus Christ by making it a work instead of by grace through faith?
Yes, homosexuals can be set free by the grace of God, as can all sinners from that which binds them. The problem is that you are insisting they be set free (stop committing that sin) in order to be saved, and that is Lordship Salvation. Putting sanctification above justification by grace. One doesn't clean themselves up in order to get saved, they come in dirty and get washed in the blood of Christ that makes our sins as white as snow. Then God works on us, sanctifying us, to set us free from bondage and strongholds.
I am not saying they ought to continue in that sin, by no means. They have been set free of sin's dominion under grace, but for you to tell people that they must stop committing any particular sin or they are doomed to Hell, then you have forgotten that which Jesus accomplished at the cross by His flesh and blood. Instead of condemning people, point them to the savior who sets them free from sin's dominion. Point them to the victory found in Christ. Tell them about being born-again, made a new creation. Inform them of what it means to partake in Jesus' death and resurrection (symbolized in baptism). In this way you exhort these people, and not condemn those that Jesus desires to save.
I am not condemning homosexuals, they are already condemned by the Law. Is a typical child sexual in any way ? No. If you are sexual you are practicing some form of sexuality. Now, lust (of the flesh) is the appetite of demons expressed through humans. The bible clearly states that homosexuals (Those who practice sodomy) are going to hell, if you are saying anything different then you are not on the same page when it comes to the gospel. If you are set free of sin then you no longer practice that sin, and that is what Jesus came to do: To free us from living a life in sin, to destroy the works of the devil and to reconcile those who believe on him to himself.
The bible says that all fall short of God's glory. Homosexuals and you are on the same playing field. You both need Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. He didn't come to condemn the world but save it. All I am saying is that you need to be careful of putting stipulations on homosexuals in order for them to be saved, because you then are preaching another gospel and taking away from the simplicity of the Gospel that is saved by grace through faith. That's all.
I am not saying we aren't to turn away from our sins, but I am saying that the turn must not be a boast in the flesh, or a confidence in it. To resist is all good and well, but true victory is found in Christ, being born-again, made a new creation. For you to tell a person that they must stop sinning in order to be saved is presenting a false gospel. You yourself still sin, in some way. Yet, His grace is sufficient. Our salvation isn't dependent upon our overcoming of sin, but upon Christ's sacrifice. Sanctification is not salvation, justification is. It is necessary in our walk (sanctification), so long as we live but it is not the means by which we are saved.
Once saved, yes we can start addressing sin and how we walk in victory over it. Just be careful that you don't make people confident in their salvation because they resist sin as opposed to having assurance based in Christ. Otherwise, if they slip up their confidence is shattered and their assurance is measured by their walk as opposed to God's grace and what Jesus has done on their behalf. It easily becomes a works-based gospel and not one of faith.
I am not saying we aren't to turn away from our sins, but I am saying that the turn must not be a boast in the flesh, or a confidence in it. To resist is all good and well, but true victory is found in Christ, being born-again, made a new creation. For you to tell a person that they must stop sinning in order to be saved is presenting a false gospel. You yourself still sin, in some way. Yet, His grace is sufficient. Our salvation isn't dependent upon our overcoming of sin, but upon Christ's sacrifice. Sanctification is not salvation, justification is. It is necessary in our walk (sanctification), so long as we live but it is not the means by which we are saved.
Once saved, yes we can start addressing sin and how we walk in victory over it. Just be careful that you don't make people confident in their salvation because they resist sin as opposed to having assurance based in Christ. Otherwise, if they slip up their confidence is shattered and their assurance is measured by their walk as opposed to God's grace and what Jesus has done on their behalf. It easily becomes a works-based gospel and not one of faith.
This thread is about if a christian or believer can be pro homosexual, not about in what way you would present the gospel to unbelievers. I would not only say to a unbeliever stop being a sodomite and you will be saved. We are not safe from falling short of the grace of God until we leave this earth. The bible clearly says that homosexuals (those who practice sodomy) will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Thats the problem with "Repent or else" signs when preaching to the lost. Its the wrong message, because it isn't so much them turning from their sin as it is their turning to the Savior of mankind. People preach against sin instead of preaching on God's goodness that leads men to repentance. You say you would not only (but still) say to an unbeliever to "stop being a sodomite and you will be saved" but that is not the good news (the Gospel) of Jesus Christ. Its a salvation and righteousness that is based in faith. It is of faith.
For you to say that to them is not the Gospel. He came to save sinners, not the righteous. You cannot tell a person that they must stop committing some sin in order to be saved because it makes of salvation a works-based gospel no different than religions of the world that try to attain some standard of righteousness to reach Heaven.
Yes, you can tell them they are in sin, they are condemned without Christ. You can call it like it is. Yet, the issue isn't their sins (plurality) but their sin of disbelief in Jesus Christ. He has paid the penalty for their sin. In fact, He is the propitiation for the sins of the world. They only need to place faith in Him and their sin's will experience remission by the blood of Christ. You, in converting a non-believer, shouldn't be so preoccupied with sin as so much as their belief. God will take care of their sin, and in Christ and under grace, sin's dominion is broken. God sanctifies and chastises His children, so unless they are a bastard, you have no need to worry.
Yes, this thread is about whether a Christian can endorse gay marriage, but I read the conversation between you and Blain and noticed you were preaching a false gospel message and thought it needed addressing lest you give a homosexual reading this thread a message of condemnation and no hope. God loves them and doesn't condemn them. That is the truth. He wants them to be His children. They only need to believe in the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
For you to say that to them is not the Gospel. He came to save sinners, not the righteous. You cannot tell a person that they must stop committing some sin in order to be saved because it makes of salvation a works-based gospel no different than religions of the world that try to attain some standard of righteousness to reach Heaven.
Yes, you can tell them they are in sin, they are condemned without Christ. You can call it like it is. Yet, the issue isn't their sins (plurality) but their sin of disbelief in Jesus Christ. He has paid the penalty for their sin. In fact, He is the propitiation for the sins of the world. They only need to place faith in Him and their sin's will experience remission by the blood of Christ. You, in converting a non-believer, shouldn't be so preoccupied with sin as so much as their belief. God will take care of their sin, and in Christ and under grace, sin's dominion is broken. God sanctifies and chastises His children, so unless they are a bastard, you have no need to worry.
Yes, this thread is about whether a Christian can endorse gay marriage, but I read the conversation between you and Blain and noticed you were preaching a false gospel message and thought it needed addressing lest you give a homosexual reading this thread a message of condemnation and no hope. God loves them and doesn't condemn them. That is the truth. He wants them to be His children. They only need to believe in the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
just a thought here, how can someone, if they say they believe in Jesus Christ and the things that He
assures us of that we are to obey and abide by to be a member of His Holy Body, and live in His Holy
DOCTRINE of obedience, how can one justify their un=holy behavior and pretend that they are doing
and abiding in His Holy Will?
assures us of that we are to obey and abide by to be a member of His Holy Body, and live in His Holy
DOCTRINE of obedience, how can one justify their un=holy behavior and pretend that they are doing
and abiding in His Holy Will?