PATRIOTISM IS BIBLICAL, But Is It Dying In AMERICA?

[PaulMack]

No VCO, you are teaching Nationalism by your love for the flag of America! That is Nationalism, not Patriotism.

What does serving in the military have anything to do with God?

See, this is where you are teaching Nationalism.

Our Love is for God, NOT for a flag, NOT for a country, but only for God. This is where you and God part ways. You go to Honoring your flag, your country, above your love for God.

I honor and Love God first. The USA comes last in my list of what i Love. This is what you desperately need to understand. Its because of your love for the flag that causes all the wars we have been in. What you are missing in your life is Love for God first in your life.

This is what Patriotism in the USA today teaches, love your flag, country, first, not Love God first. This is why your eyes are blinded to the Truth in the Scriptures.

If everybody put God first there would be no wars, but because people like you, who put your country first, is why we have wars.

 

[Zmouth]

Our Forefathers, wrote Patriotism in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Pledge of Allegiance, and many other famous American Documents. WHAT HAPPENED? WHY IS PATRIOTISM DYING OUT?

What about the Declaration? Or does it shame you that they wrote "all men are created equal" It doesn't me since that is what is written in my soul, but then again it said that a man cannot serve two masters, he will either love one or hate the other or be of no use to either.

If a man really cared more than just giving lip service he might ask his Creator, or at least seek out the answer himself. Yet I believe it was George Washington that said that when men where no longer about to govern themselves, it should be of little consequence from which quarter their master should come from.

 

[VCO]

No VCO, you are teaching Nationalism by your love for the flag of America! That is Nationalism, not Patriotism.

What does serving in the military have anything to do with God?

See, this is where you are teaching Nationalism.

Our Love is for God, NOT for a flag, NOT for a country, but only for God. This is where you and God part ways. You go to Honoring your flag, your country, above your love for God.

I honor and Love God first. The USA comes last in my list of what i Love. This is what you desperately need to understand. Its because of your love for the flag that causes all the wars we have been in. What you are missing in your life is Love for God first in your life.

This is what Patriotism in the USA today teaches, love your flag, country, first, not Love God first. This is why your eyes are blinded to the Truth in the Scriptures.

If everybody put God first there would be no wars, but because people like you, who put your country first, is why we have wars.

You do are not old enough to understand the Patriotism of us Veterans. Who has been teaching you those lies about us?

 

[Crustyone]

Christians are patriots of Christ's Kingdom. We need not be patriots of any nation. We are in this world, not of this world. If we were to be a nation of only practicing Christians, God would be our protection and we would not need soldiers. I don't think soldiers are sinning when they kill, due to their doing what their government instructed them to do, and police and soldiers wear "the sword" to stop evil at the behest of the God installed government. That said, civilians need not do more than to live and work in the country of their choosing or birth, to make it a great country. As long as the government is following God's directions and not mans, the country will flourish, but the government leads the people to go with God or against God. If the government forgets God and expects the people to only be faithful to the country, it will cause the downfall of the country.

 

[VCO]

Christians are patriots of Christ's Kingdom. We need not be patriots of any nation. We are in this world, not of this world. If we were to be a nation of only practicing Christians, God would be our protection and we would not need soldiers. I don't think soldiers are sinning when they kill, due to their doing what their government instructed them to do, and police and soldiers wear "the sword" to stop evil at the behest of the God installed government. That said, civilians need not do more than to live and work in the country of their choosing or birth, to make it a great country. As long as the government is following God's directions and not mans, the country will flourish, but the government leads the people to go with God or against God. If the government forgets God and expects the people to only be faithful to the country, it will cause the downfall of the country.

Why do you think it is okay to be disobedient to Gods then:

Romans 13:1-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And for this reason you pay taxes, since the ⌊authorities⌋ are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Do not owe anyone anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

 

[PaulMack]

Have you VCO really read and understand totally what God says in Romans 13?

Lets say Russia attacks the USA and wins. Lets say Russia is now the governing authority of the USA.

Russia then says owning a gun is illegal. Would you submit to the governing authorities and turn all your guns in our would you refuse to submit to the governing authorities and keep your guns?

Be careful on how you answer, because if you say you would not turn in your guns and you would fight against the governing authorities, you will be fighting against God.

God clearly says in Romans 13 to submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

Therefore it was God who put Russia in charge of the USA.

Just remember according to Romans 13 if you resist the governing authority of Russia you will be fighting against God!

 

[abcdef]

Whoever signs/negotiates a treaty with Israel is the Devil, anything coming to mind?

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Hillary?......

 

[Vdp]

Mmmmm. You do have a point Paul.

Everybody has to obey the Government of the country they live in. Even if another country won a war against us we have to obey that Government.

Lets see how VCO will weasel out of this. Let me guess. I bet VCO will insist Romans 13 only applies to the USA only and no other country or Government.

What is interesting is when Paul wrote Romans 13 the Government he was under was the Roman Government! It was the most evil corrupted Government at the time, but yet he wrote we are to obey the Roman Government.

I see no way for VCO to even answer this. I bet instead he will refuse to answer it.

 

[abcdef]

Whoever signs/negotiates a treaty with Israel is the Devil, anything coming to mind?

Donald Trump?

 

[VCO]

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Hillary?......

LOL, no she is the wicked witch of the East.

Actually the sermon at our church today, was about, who is the 10 Horned Beast representing, and who is the Little Horn.

The 10 horned beast appears to be the European Union, and I know there are more than 10 now, and England just dropped out, with more sure to follow suite, considering their economic problems. Still they have not picked a single ruler to take charge of the European Union, but when they do, I think it is a sure bet that there will only be 10 that stay in the European Union, and the Little Horn will be one of the 10. He will also be a world leader who is possessed by Satan.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Have you VCO really read and understand totally what God says in Romans 13?

Lets say Russia attacks the USA and wins. Lets say Russia is now the governing authority of the USA.

Russia then says owning a gun is illegal. Would you submit to the governing authorities and turn all your guns in our would you refuse to submit to the governing authorities and keep your guns?

Be careful on how you answer, because if you say you would not turn in your guns and you would fight against the governing authorities, you will be fighting against God.

God clearly says in Romans 13 to submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

Therefore it was God who put Russia in charge of the USA.

Just remember according to Romans 13 if you resist the governing authority of Russia you will be fighting against God!

And what if a Christian lived in a Muslim dominated nation, government system, or country which demanded you to worship a false prophet and denounce Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? That kinda throws a wrench in VCO's whole theology.

 

[Mec99]

You do know VCO the False Prophet who runs with the Anti-Christ will be the Pope of the Catholic Church!

 

[peacenik]

Are you beginning to see what I mean about the rest of the problems too? It is not like it was when we were growing up. It is encouraging that it is better where you live than most. You ought to see how bad it is in California. I lived there from 1987 - 2014. One time I put up a Menorah in my living room window, as part of my Christmas decorations; and the next morning I found my front door had been hit with at least six eggs, and that was in a small town in California.

Chanukkah is also a patriotic holiday: a re-dedication and time of Peace. As we all know Jesus observed the holiday as shown in John 10:22-23.

Therefore, we have more than sufficient proof that patriotic holidays are biblical. Clearly, one can be Christian and patriotic. I suggest that the example set by Jesus is that the day(s) should be celebrated by showing gratitude to God for divine protection and grace.

 

[KohenMatt]

You do know VCO Romans 13 also applies to people in China and Russia?

They are to obey God also. Do you really think God is on your side VCO?

This is an interesting point to consider.

If as Christians, we are to supposed to support and honor our government, shouldn't we also fully support Christians in other countries to fully support and honor their government, even when it comes into conflict with our country?

 

[KohenMatt]

NO, I am all about enforcing the LAWS of the LAND.

Disagreeing with the laws of the land, NEVER is an EXCUSE to disobey them, or to help others to disobey them. Only when they violate GOD's LAW, is it permissible to say no, I will not do that. (Example: if mandatory abortion laws were passed in this country for anyone already having two Children.)

Should Christians in other countries obey the "Laws of the Land" if their laws say to attack the US? That would be a man-made law that doesn't violate God's Law. So would you be in favor of that Christian to obey their government?

 

[Zmouth]

I see no way for VCO to even answer this. I bet instead he will refuse to answer it.

LOL, that is right, you see no way, some things are self-evident but yet do you know the reason why you do don't see the reason why? Then obviously the thought hasn't ever entered your mind.

What is interesting is when Paul wrote Romans 13 the Government he was under was the Roman Government! It was the most evil corrupted Government at the time, but yet he wrote we are to obey the Roman Government.

You know that Paul was a Roman didn't you?

 

[Vdp]

Yes Paul was a Roman and he submitted to the Authorities of the Roman Government. He also submitted to the Authority of God.

One does NOT need to be in the USA to be a Born Again Christian following God!

How can one say they are submitting to God when they kill a person just for their land? They cannot.

Therefore all those who murdered Native Americans for their land were not doing the Will of God and will pay for it at the White Throne Judgement.

The USA was founded on the blood of God's Children.

 

[Zmouth]

Should Christians in other countries obey the "Laws of the Land" if their laws say to attack the US? That would be a man-made law that doesn't violate God's Law. So would you be in favor of that Christian to obey their government?

So do you think Christians should always obey the law of God or simply do what they want to?

So you do agree with they should always do what they want to. I do anyways. But if you don't, I am surprised you are still reading this post since if you disagreed with it you would have probably stopped reading and posted your response in defense of the truth.

I know would be, but then again not everyone does what they want so I trust that you are doing what you want, so I put my hope in doing those things which please God faith, since doing what is required by the law is not of faith but rather is of works. So if works it is no longer of faith, and if your works are not doing what you want then if would not be of faith. So would you consider hearing judging what one says before or after hearing what he does as written in John 7:51?

 

[Bonaventure]

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[KohenMatt]

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here, but I think you may have taken my words out of context.

NO, I am all about enforcing the LAWS of the LAND.

Disagreeing with the laws of the land, NEVER is an EXCUSE to disobey them, or to help others to disobey them. Only when they violate GOD's LAW, is it permissible to say no, I will not do that. (Example: if mandatory abortion laws were passed in this country for anyone already having two Children.)

Should Christians in other countries obey the "Laws of the Land" if their laws say to attack the US? That would be a man-made law that doesn't violate God's Law. So would you be in favor of that Christian to obey their government?

Now, on to your comments.

So do you think Christians should always obey the law of God or simply do what they want to?

So you do agree with they should always do what they want to. I do anyways. But if you don't, I am surprised you are still reading this post since if you disagreed with it you would have probably stopped reading and posted your response in defense of the truth.

Christians should always obey the Laws of God when they come into direct conflict with the laws of the land. If there is no conflict, then a Christian should obey the laws of the land. But the laws of the land cannot and should not supercede the laws of God. As Americans, we cannot blindly obey and respect the laws of America.

My point was to demonstrate this. If we believe that as American Christians we should honor and respect our country no matter what (even if it means going to war with other nations), than we should also completely endorse Christians in other countries doing the same. Should we support the idea that Christians in North Korea, or China, or Syria should fully respect, honor and obey the laws of their land no matter what, even if it comes to attacking America?

Let's throw a hypothetical out here. What if China conquers America? Should we fully honor, respect and obey all laws of the land China sets up?

I know would be, but then again not everyone does what they want so I trust that you are doing what you want,

No, I don't do "what I want." I obey God's laws first and foremost, then American law when it doesn't come into conflict with God.

so I put my hope in doing those things which please God faith, since doing what is required by the law is not of faith but rather is of works. So if works it is no longer of faith, and if your works are not doing what you want then if would not be of faith.

I agree with you completely here.

So would you consider hearing judging what one says before or after hearing what he does as written in John 7:51?

I don't know what you're asking.