Brexit - Do we stay or do we go

[Sirk]

Russia is full of muslims, Moscow is the islam capital of Europe. China is quite far away, behind Russia, I cant imagine how China can step in...

China will sew up the southern and western flank all the way into Africa. As far as Moscow I didn't know that but I know Russia doesn't allow subversive elements to undermine their rule of law as near as I can tell. I don't pretend to be an expert. Just trying to read tea leaves like everyone else. Lol

 

[Utah]

I don't think the politicians are aware of what their laws are causing. Ordinary folks have to be dealing with all the people coming here. Luckily this country has seen the light and is closing down the borders rapidly now, but I do know that some European countries aren't...yet. I don't have anything against people from different cultures, but the folks coming here are not the kind you would want to become your neighbor...strange thing is though, I thought those people were opposed to drugs and alcohol, but from what I've seen, they are purdy durn good at drinking and raising h...looks like they are having the best of two worlds...lol...

Politicians are very well aware of all the harm they are causing and they don't give one single hoot. In their eyes we are subjects not people; we are pawns in their chess game.

 

[Billyd]

I was watching the Business weekend news this morning, and I felt like I needed to drag out my Chicken Little speech. The transition is supposed to take two years. Before a single action has been taken, the gloom and doom purveyors are out in droves. If everyone backs off on the prognostications, and take each step as it occurs, Great Britain and the EU will be fine.

Get a roll of Gorilla Duct Tape for the mouths of the politicians and economists. The sky is not falling.

 

[Sirk]

I was watching the Business weekend news this morning, and I felt like I needed to drag out my Chicken Little speech. The transition is supposed to take two years. Before a single action has been taken, the gloom and doom purveyors are out in droves. If everyone backs off on the prognostications, and take each step as it occurs, Great Britain and the EU will be fine.

Get a roll of Gorilla Duct Tape for the mouths of the politicians and economists. The sky is not falling.

maybe not but it was a chess move the elites were not expecting to happen.

 

[Mitspa]

I was watching the Business weekend news this morning, and I felt like I needed to drag out my Chicken Little speech. The transition is supposed to take two years. Before a single action has been taken, the gloom and doom purveyors are out in droves. If everyone backs off on the prognostications, and take each step as it occurs, Great Britain and the EU will be fine.

Get a roll of Gorilla Duct Tape for the mouths of the politicians and economists. The sky is not falling.

yes Hillary made the claim her main response to the brexit was that she was 'concerned" about any negative effects it might have on the American economy ...mean while she, Obama and the left-wing media seems determined to stir up as much fear as possible to try and make it appear as bad as possible. The left-wing loons want to cause a panic and then they can blame it on conservatives and the people who voted.

 

[tanakh]

maybe not but it was a chess move the elites were not expecting to happen.

You are right. Cameron and co were expecting us all to walk like Zombies into the Polling booths and vote to remain in

 

[Miri]

We need strong opposition to Germany, in Europe. France is socialist and weak. UK has left. V4 has not the economic power to even Germany, yet.

Any ideas?

The EU wants closer ties to Russia and Russia seems to want to forge closer ties to the
EU. They would make for uncomfortable bed fellows at present though as Russia would
probably want the lions share of influence.


Forbes Welcome


Incidentally did you know that Russia is forging ahead to be the biggest supplier of gas
and oil in the world. Another reason why the EU is wanting Russia in board.

Russian oil output highest in 30 years ahead of Doha meeting | Reuters

 

[Miri]

Incidentally has anyone seen the various prophetic websites and forums. They seem to
suggest the UK had to exit the EU as this is part of bible prophecy. Not sure what I think
about it though.

Things like this are popping up all over the Internet.


Britain Must Leave the European Union

 

[zeroturbulence]

Incidentally has anyone seen the various prophetic websites and forums. They seem to
suggest the UK had to exit the EU as this is part of bible prophecy. Not sure what I think
about it though.

Things like this are popping up all over the Internet.


Britain Must Leave the European Union

Yes, I watched one of those. The man wrote the "prophecy" in 1955, ten years after the end of world war II. I personally think he was merely speculating on the fate of europe because at that time I believe it was still trying to recover from the war. He calls Germany evil and says the nations will give their power over to Germany. Well Germany was Hitler's country where he murdered 6 million jews so it's not too surprising that he refers to it as satan.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Incidentally has anyone seen the various prophetic websites and forums. They seem to
suggest the UK had to exit the EU as this is part of bible prophecy. Not sure what I think
about it though.

Things like this are popping up all over the Internet.


Britain Must Leave the European Union

Well it backs up what you said about Christians voting "out" en mass.

 

[trofimus]

False refugee threatens policeman by Macedonia border with death to him and to his family.

Police officer says he is prepared to die for his country.

[video=youtube;p9fDMVVPe7U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9fDMVVPe7U[/video]

 

[trofimus]

Does somebody really think that people behaving like this by our borders will obey our laws while allowed in?
V4 and Macedonia were the only ones to protect EU borders.

[video=youtube;e4TkICsiiEg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4TkICsiiEg[/video]

 

[trofimus]

My apologies for the last picture, I saw it when I could not edit post anymore, so, please, ignore the end

 

[Dude653]

So it would seem Islam is gradually taking over the world. America could be next if this trend continues

 

[jb]

Get a roll of Gorilla Duct Tape for the mouths of the politicians and economists. The sky is not falling.

I've recently seen "Gorilla Duct Tape" advertised here in the UK, it must be good stuff if it can suffocate the words of lying politicians...

A bit of a digression...

 

[Angela53510]

This is an interesting article on the end of globalism.

"To the dismay of political, financial, and media elites, the country has chosen to put identity and sovereignty above a plus-one-or-minus-one change in GDP, and vote to leave the hated European Union. As with the USSR, the attempt to superimpose a manufactured civic identity over proud nation-states with rich and complex histories has run against the grain of human nature. The elites, so wrapped up in statecraft and economics, never paused to consider basic human psychology.

It’s not just Britain, you see. The revolution against globalism is, well, global. Britain may be leading the charge, but insurgents and rebels from D.C to Berlin are also hard at work tormenting their elitist overlords. Fired up by Britain’s example, eurosceptics across the continent are now demanding their own referendums. It’s a Berlin Wall moment.

The unelectable and unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels must be pis**ng themselves right now. They are losing one of the biggest crutches for a fragile alliance of countries that can’t pay their bills. (Fortunately, they still have the power to unilaterally grant themselves a monthly budget of 2,000 euros for trouser cleaning.)

Here at Breitbart, we always knew it would be OK. After all, Britain has a well-documented history of standing defiantly against tyrannical continental empires. We defeated the Spanish Armada, Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler. We were a bulwark against the USSR during the Cold War. Compared to all that, the low-energy efforts of crusty octogenarian globalists like George Soros were a walk into the park...."


Brexit: Why The Globalists Lost - Breitbart

 

[Miri]

This is an interesting article on the end of globalism.

"To the dismay of political, financial, and media elites, the country has chosen to put identity and sovereignty above a plus-one-or-minus-one change in GDP, and vote to leave the hated European Union. As with the USSR, the attempt to superimpose a manufactured civic identity over proud nation-states with rich and complex histories has run against the grain of human nature. The elites, so wrapped up in statecraft and economics, never paused to consider basic human psychology.

It’s not just Britain, you see. The revolution against globalism is, well, global. Britain may be leading the charge, but insurgents and rebels from D.C to Berlin are also hard at work tormenting their elitist overlords. Fired up by Britain’s example, eurosceptics across the continent are now demanding their own referendums. It’s a Berlin Wall moment.

The unelectable and unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels must be pis**ng themselves right now. They are losing one of the biggest crutches for a fragile alliance of countries that can’t pay their bills. (Fortunately, they still have the power to unilaterally grant themselves a monthly budget of 2,000 euros for trouser cleaning.)

Here at Breitbart, we always knew it would be OK. After all, Britain has a well-documented history of standing defiantly against tyrannical continental empires. We defeated the Spanish Armada, Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler. We were a bulwark against the USSR during the Cold War. Compared to all that, the low-energy efforts of crusty octogenarian globalists like George Soros were a walk into the park...."


Brexit: Why The Globalists Lost - Breitbart

Most of what the article says is true to some degree.


I noticed the following bit from it

Another tactic deployed by globalists has been to insist that they
know their numbers (strange, seeing as the E.U. is economically
haemophiliac and the Great Recession happened on their watch).
Throughout the referendum campaign, they repeatedly told voters
that voting leave would herald economic catastrophe. The currency
would collapse! The housing market would collapse! The world would implode!
These arguments were foolish for several reasons. Firstly, everyone in Britain
outside of the super-wealthy wants the housing market to crash — it’ll mean
lower rents and lower house prices for ordinary people. Yet another sign
of how out-of-touch the defenders of Remain were.
That's spot on, we kept getting told house prices would plummet.

But that one backfired as large swathes of the country want them to
drop. House prices are so high that salaries cannot keep up.

 

[Miri]

Now it appears the petition to ask for another referendum which is doing the
rounds (it won't happen anyway), is fraudulent.

Second EU referendum petition investigated for fraud - BBC News

 

[Miri]

ts official a Brexit for better or worse I'm glad, the leaders of a
country are accountable to God for their actions. But accountability is
none existent when the leaders are faceless unelected mystery people
in another country.

Even if it all goes bad we will be responsible for our own laws again.

The EU was getting more and more powerful with each passing year with
no accountability to anyone. It is like a snowball rolling downhill.

it will be interesting to see what the other countries do, I read the French people
want a referendum too and a couple of others. I suppose they will watch the UK
to see what happened first.


Brexit: Leave wins EU referendum - BBC News

Ps sorry I've not posted much since starting this thread. I'm a civil
servant and work to the Government. Not long after my last post we
all got an email that we were not allowed to post or influence the EU decision.
This went to all civil servers country wide - so I had to stop posting.

Now as the result is known it's ok again. But it was yet another way of the remain
camp trying to influence the remain vote. Ironic really expecially as hardly anything
else has been discussed for two months.

It will be interesting to see what happens with my job now as massive amounts
of EU legislative has infiltrated it over the last 5 years especially. We had to
re-write our computer programmes and change the way we do things because of it.

Hi Mitspa, every born again Christian I spoke to, told me they were voting to leave,
and I know a lot of people. Not one I spoke to had any doubts on the matter they all
felt it was right to leave. This included the very oldest who is 86 and going right down the
age spectrum.

The Christian radio stations in this country during their debates, seemed to also lean towards
a Brexit. It surely has to be the will of God that so many "real" Christians thought leave was
for the best.

Yet the remain politicians were regularly accusing everyone who wanted to leave as racist.
That was ungodly manipulation if ever I saw it. It's interesting that the main financial areas
and rich areas of the country voted to stay. The only thing they were looking at was money.
While the rest of us were looking at family life, quality of life, real life with its many ups and downs.

Its time the UK learnt to trust God as a nation and not the EU.

We need to pray for the country now, that it will turn back to God and that new legislation based
on Godly principles will be written into the laws of the land. This is something which could never
have been achieved if we had stayed in the EU.

Im not suggesting that Britain does not have a massive journey ahead or that the road will be
smooth. It may even get really bad, but it's often during despair that people call on God.

Pray for Godly politicians to be raised up and for God's will to be done.


One thing I have seen since the results were announced is that Germany is now worried
(given its history of trying to dominate the world) that it will be forced to take over the
role of major operator and be in charge of the EU.

They have been pushing for a while, to set up a European army with the base been in
Germany.

It reminded me of this thread.

http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/112708-germany-building-european-army-3.html

Ps just wanted to bump up these previous posts to make it clear why I feel leave was
the right thing to do. I didn't want anyone on this site from EU member states to think I might have
anything against them as individuals, as I really don't.

I have many friends from different countries as the church I go to has people from over
40 different nationalities. For me it was always about the UK taking back the authority and
power handed over to Brussels and accountability before God and avoiding the UK rummage
sale which the EU seems to now want.

Interestingly some of my Christian friends from the Eastern block also agree a leave vote was a
good thing for the UK. Even they can see what is going on, even if it's to their detriment although
i doubt there will be any problems with them staying in the UK.

Something had to be done though to prevent further sinking into the Brussels mire.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Ps just wanted to bump up these previous posts to make it clear why I feel leave was
the right thing to do. I didn't want anyone on this site from EU member states to think I might have
anything against them as individuals, as I really don't.

I have many friends from different countries as the church I go to has people from over
40 different nationalities. For me it was always about the UK taking back the authority and
power handed over to Brussels and accountability before God and avoiding the UK rummage
sale which the EU seems to now want.

Interestingly some of my Christian friends from the Eastern block also agree a leave vote was a
good thing for the UK. Even they can see what is going on, even if it's to their detriment although
i doubt there will be any problems with them staying in the UK.

Something had to be done though to prevent further sinking into the Brussels mire.

Nor is it all the fault of Germany, France or any other EU member states but from a succession of British governments who sneaked off to Brussels under the radar on big news days and gradually over the years signed away British rights, interests and sovereignty. This meaning that a trading deal Britain signed up for in the 1970's became a monster we could no longer control. May all these governments and in particular Gordon Brown - because he was an un-elected prime minister bow their heads in shame because they brought this about. The British people FINALLY decided enough was enough and made a stand.