CONDEMNATION IS THE ROOT CAUSE
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[SUP][SUP]23 [/SUP]Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted you.[SUP]25 [/SUP]Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions.[SUP]26 [/SUP][[SUP][a][/SUP]But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions.”][/SUP]
Oh geeessshhh really? I don't "come against dressing smart" I like clothes and shoes and handbags and leather and so much so I often have spent more $ than I planned. Again, you should not judge people based on such little information as the outward appearance of a few posts OR when you see someone dresses 'smart' or not. Only God knows each one of us and what our motives are.
Some people have no sense of style., some people just don't care to dress up., some people enjoy cotton fabric and are most comfortable in jeans and a tee shirt and can't afford expensive cottons and so they don't worry about it so they wear what they have. Some have been burned by churches that put too much (if any) emphasis on dressing up on Sunday because their parents made them and they hated it. If you have not considered even these few examples let alone the dozens of other ones I don't have time to type., you are sorely in need of looking and learning about your fellow man.
Have you ever heard the Bible words "the hidden man of the heart" ? (just a question)
About what do I do with Mark 11:25-26? I realize that my forgiveness depends on the finished work of Christ on the cross. Before Jesus went to the cross the requirement was to forgive so that you would be forgiven. After the cross we forgive BECAUSE we were forgiven. Very different heart motivation and just like 'herein is love., not that we love God but that HE LOVED US and gave us His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
It's not about what 'we' do., it is about what Jesus Christ did. The emphasis is ALWAYS on Christ and not us. Now we are forgiven because God has forgiven us IN Christ. Our forgiveness depends on Christ alone. A proper understanding of that grace will teach us the same grace to have for others and we will also forgive others because God for Christs sake forgave us.
Man's religion is allllllll about how high they can jump to reach God. Christianity (Jesus Christ) is about how much Jesus came down to reach man and make a way for us to come to God. (God Himself will provide us a lamb)
It is amazing how Jesus takes religion and turns it all upside-down for the natural man to not understand. Causing us to have to come out of our own understanding and rely on Him. And we are required to continue to do that after we are saved. We are required to daily have a renewing of the mind through the washing of the Word.
Your emphasis is on some very superficial things that do not matter when it comes to the love of God in Christ. We each dress according to who we are and with that comes a bunch of differences. Don't try to put everyone in the same box as you, we just won't all fit., God didn't make us to fit in your box and vs/vs. But He did make us to fit together IN Christ.
What do you do with Mark 11:23-24?
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the new covenant moved the land mark , that you seem to have missed in your translation of scripture.
Originally Posted by God4me
The Greek meaning for, "Confess", in 1 Jn 1: 9, Is,
"To agree with God that you have sinned, and say the same thing as what God says".
And God says we have sinned, [If we do sin], And if we say we haven't sinned, we deceive ourselves, and don't have the truth, V8. And we call God a liar, V10.
So when we know we have sinned, we should confess and repent.
Nowhere does the Biblical New Testament Church say one has to confess their sins to be saved, So John wasn't writing to unbelievers as the false grace teacher say, But he was writing to already saved Christians.
If we do sin, We have an advocate with the Father, [Jesus], who will plead for our forgiveness and cleansing, 1 Jn 2: 1--2.
Hebrews 9:
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant
sin committed under the first covenant.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through
and if he saved you. what law are you saved or excluded from. (already quoted on other parts of this forum. etc etc etc)
The Greek meaning for, "Confess", in 1 Jn 1: 9, Is,
"To agree with God that you have sinned, and say the same thing as what God says".
And God says we have sinned, [If we do sin], And if we say we haven't sinned, we deceive ourselves, and don't have the truth, V8. And we call God a liar, V10.
So when we know we have sinned, we should confess and repent.
Nowhere does the Biblical New Testament Church say one has to confess their sins to be saved, So John wasn't writing to unbelievers as the false grace teacher say, But he was writing to already saved Christians.
If we do sin, We have an advocate with the Father, [Jesus], who will plead for our forgiveness and cleansing, 1 Jn 2: 1--2.
Hebrews 9:
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant
sin committed under the first covenant.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through
and if he saved you. what law are you saved or excluded from. (already quoted on other parts of this forum. etc etc etc)
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The key to Mark 11 is the "He will forgive you..."
Believers are catagorized by being forgiven. That's why they are called believers. They believe Jesus is the Son of God and they are saved when they call upon Him.
Will be forgiven, shows a reality before Christ died and shows the audience wasn't believers, if it was we would see it confirmed in epistles. But in epistles we see forgive because you are forgiven. Both tell us to forgive though so the command of the Lord is still being followed.
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Believers are catagorized by being forgiven. That's why they are called believers. They believe Jesus is the Son of God and they are saved when they call upon Him.
Will be forgiven, shows a reality before Christ died and shows the audience wasn't believers, if it was we would see it confirmed in epistles. But in epistles we see forgive because you are forgiven. Both tell us to forgive though so the command of the Lord is still being followed.
C.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant
if it was the same covenant, then there would not be a new covenant.
Justified by Faith
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
justified by faith, is not justified by law, or repentance.
but through faith in Jesus Christ,
john 3.16-17
Galatians 54 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
guess there must be confusion, to scripture meaning bro .
god can command you to visit your nabour, friend, parents etc. help someone with a task, just like abraham followed in faith. not law.
if it was the same covenant, then there would not be a new covenant.
Justified by Faith
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
justified by faith, is not justified by law, or repentance.
but through faith in Jesus Christ,
john 3.16-17
Galatians 54 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
guess there must be confusion, to scripture meaning bro .
god can command you to visit your nabour, friend, parents etc. help someone with a task, just like abraham followed in faith. not law.
God knows our hearts, and if the heart is right, the dress will be smart.
If we love Jesus, we will dress the best we can for Him, Especially if we are a Minister.
When a man meets with his girlfriend, he will want to impress her by dressing nice, because he loves her, And it should be the same for meeting with and Ministering for Jesus.
A person cannot have the Agape love of God in them for one minute, and want to dress scruffy for Him.
You watch those scruffy dressers, if they go to an important worldly meeting, or go to meet an important person, How nice they will dress, But when it comes to Church, their attitude is, "OH, It's only God".
We are supposed to be ambassadors for Christ, and a Country would never sent a scruffy ambassador out to represent them, And neither would God.
We aren't just supposed to represent Jesus, but to, Re-Present Him.
There is a scruffy epidemic sweeping through the Church, and a lot of Christians have conformed to the world way of dressing, as they go to Church.
The condition of a man's heart is never superficial, and if the heart is right, the dress will be right.
the new covenant moved the land mark , that you seem to have missed in your translation of scripture.
Originally Posted by God4me
The Greek meaning for, "Confess", in 1 Jn 1: 9, Is,
"To agree with God that you have sinned, and say the same thing as what God says".
And God says we have sinned, [If we do sin], And if we say we haven't sinned, we deceive ourselves, and don't have the truth, V8. And we call God a liar, V10.
So when we know we have sinned, we should confess and repent.
Nowhere does the Biblical New Testament Church say one has to confess their sins to be saved, So John wasn't writing to unbelievers as the false grace teacher say, But he was writing to already saved Christians.
If we do sin, We have an advocate with the Father, [Jesus], who will plead for our forgiveness and cleansing, 1 Jn 2: 1--2.
Hebrews 9:
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant
sin committed under the first covenant.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through
and if he saved you. what law are you saved or excluded from. (already quoted on other parts of this forum. etc etc etc)
The Greek meaning for, "Confess", in 1 Jn 1: 9, Is,
"To agree with God that you have sinned, and say the same thing as what God says".
And God says we have sinned, [If we do sin], And if we say we haven't sinned, we deceive ourselves, and don't have the truth, V8. And we call God a liar, V10.
So when we know we have sinned, we should confess and repent.
Nowhere does the Biblical New Testament Church say one has to confess their sins to be saved, So John wasn't writing to unbelievers as the false grace teacher say, But he was writing to already saved Christians.
If we do sin, We have an advocate with the Father, [Jesus], who will plead for our forgiveness and cleansing, 1 Jn 2: 1--2.
Hebrews 9:
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant
sin committed under the first covenant.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through
and if he saved you. what law are you saved or excluded from. (already quoted on other parts of this forum. etc etc etc)
Please note the word, "Might", in Heb 9: 15. It changes your belief.
1 Jn 1: 8--10--1 Jn2: 1--2. says forgiveness, cleansing and restored back to righteousness, are conditional of repenting and confessing sins, Then Jesus will plead to God for us.
Religious nonsense.....I don't know about you ...but I am in church of every minute of every day.
Your pronouncement of judgment on people because they don't dress like you think they should is an affront to the body of Christ. It's a manifestation of malice. It's time to grow up. Hopefully you are old enough in the Lord to hear this truth.
1 Peter 2:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
You are right in one way. I think there is also another side to this argument. It is what is within that matters, how you show love and care for others, your words, your care. It is easy to dress smart, but be horrible inside.
This is why many churches moved away from sunday best to being real, and not pretending.
So much of victorian and smart dressed church life was pretend. It was founded on roles and not emotional openness.
So the hardest thing in every aspect of life is to be emotionally open and honest as well as loving and kind.
So today, when I meet with my friends in Christ, I just want them to be there in reality, not pretending.
And to strangers who do not know me, I will dress up, to make a good impression, when it is needed.
But that is not very often. So I understand your position, I hope you can understand mine.
This is why many churches moved away from sunday best to being real, and not pretending.
So much of victorian and smart dressed church life was pretend. It was founded on roles and not emotional openness.
So the hardest thing in every aspect of life is to be emotionally open and honest as well as loving and kind.
So today, when I meet with my friends in Christ, I just want them to be there in reality, not pretending.
And to strangers who do not know me, I will dress up, to make a good impression, when it is needed.
But that is not very often. So I understand your position, I hope you can understand mine.
Common sense and spiritual maturity tells a person to dress nice for God, and to Minister for God.
If the heart is right, the dress will be nice.
All you have to do, is look back to when Christians were holy, and how smart they dressed.
A Person cannot have the Agape love on God in them and dress scruffy for God.
Religious nonsense.....I don't know about you ...but I am in church of every minute of every day.
Your pronouncement of judgment on people because they don't dress like you think they should is an affront to the body of Christ. It's a manifestation of malice. It's time to grow up. Hopefully you are old enough in the Lord to hear this truth.
1 Peter 2:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
And all that is as true as Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation....
You have just exhibited 1 Peter 2:1-3 again....my goodness your malice and slander is growing by leaps and bounds....
1 Peter 2:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.