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who are his co-horts?
we can all read what everyone is posting. Yes?
well I can tell you from my own experience, that being lied about really hurts and being names also hurts
which is why we should not do it
we all use judgment every day all day long. some of us do it better than others
maybe everyone should just forgive and forget and start over? too late for that?
a clean slate perhaps?
This is what makes me laugh. I said nothing disparaging about anything. Ember said her husband was
different to her. I commented on this, because she was very firery. I then said I thought I remembered
she had had some relationship issues in her past.
At this point she totally lost it, said I was saying stuff against her, her marriage etc.
So I got no PM's because the above is all I ever said.
Now you want to believe what you want to believe. It is emotions generating illusions and things that
are not there. But I have learnt you are dangerous people without restriction. But I also do not
hold back on prodding to find out what you really are and what you really believe. And unfortunately
it is not pleasant.
A classic is the racist to a fro conversation. I never thought in a christian community condemning
racism would be deemed wrong, where in the normal world it is actually a criminal act to be racist.
For me that just says how hard hearted and twisted people easily get because they have made
people into enemies, and see antagonism where there is none. It was quiet for a whole week
without EG but he does not know when to stop. But then maybe that is the point, he is not
intended to until the lesson is truly learnt.
different to her. I commented on this, because she was very firery. I then said I thought I remembered
she had had some relationship issues in her past.
At this point she totally lost it, said I was saying stuff against her, her marriage etc.
So I got no PM's because the above is all I ever said.
Now you want to believe what you want to believe. It is emotions generating illusions and things that
are not there. But I have learnt you are dangerous people without restriction. But I also do not
hold back on prodding to find out what you really are and what you really believe. And unfortunately
it is not pleasant.
A classic is the racist to a fro conversation. I never thought in a christian community condemning
racism would be deemed wrong, where in the normal world it is actually a criminal act to be racist.
For me that just says how hard hearted and twisted people easily get because they have made
people into enemies, and see antagonism where there is none. It was quiet for a whole week
without EG but he does not know when to stop. But then maybe that is the point, he is not
intended to until the lesson is truly learnt.
E
Got to laugh. EG said his mission in the Lord was to expose legalists and root out
legalism in the church. It makes me laugh because he is now saying an us and them
approach does not get anywhere. So at least he is learning something through all this
failure.
legalism in the church. It makes me laugh because he is now saying an us and them
approach does not get anywhere. So at least he is learning something through all this
failure.
well yeah,, I am out to weed out legalism.. as I believe God is. And you should also.. if you truly believe in grace salvation like you say you do,
But we are not discussing legalism here, We are discussing you bearing false witness against other people..
but like with everything else. You think you know what everyone is saying. so you prove me right yet again, Its you against the world.
Well Ember is not here to tell what happened and to defend herself with her supposed "troubled past" according to you and we know how you change what is actually being said into something else.
You have never received any warnings about your abusive talk to anyone here on CC? Even for those times you have called fellow Christians - satanic, heretics, lovers of sin, demonic, liars? ...simply because they had a difference of opinion with you on a scripture? You have never got any warnings at all yet?
You have never received any warnings about your abusive talk to anyone here on CC? Even for those times you have called fellow Christians - satanic, heretics, lovers of sin, demonic, liars? ...simply because they had a difference of opinion with you on a scripture? You have never got any warnings at all yet?
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Peter you are asking wonderful questions!
Jesus said the truth shall set us free.
Discipleship comes from truth because truth sets us free.
Notice what Jesus says next...
Because Whom the Son sets free IS free indeed.
Discipleship (truth) replaces lies that release Kingdom of God. And it works because we are free. It is the truth though that reveals it.
Why is this important? Because the "mystical side" is actually what allows us to receive the "practical side".
I personally have not written about discipleship because I believe once the eternal side (or new creation) is accepted. The discipleship side comes with it, because it is the Spirit of God who disciples us, either for ourselves or with others. In fact, if we have ears we can hear Him speaking through each of us even in this forum. This is called, honor, when we honor others we can receive from the Spirit in them.
But yes, my friend, I agree with you. These are mere words and discipleship does help us walk out the reality of what Christ did pay for us. Think of it like this:
Whom the Father loves He "chastens"...
The interesting thing about this word "chasten" or even "discipline" is that it has an eye for what we are becoming, but not for what we did. It's not about punishment, but about conforming. Yes in this world, we are being conformed, we are being shaped and molded (this is Earth), but also remember the Kingdom is being manifested here on Earth.
So it is who we are in Christ that is being seen here on Earth. This is the Kingdom of God coming forth. Where His will will is fully manifested.
The error is, if we see that we are finished works in Christ (which is His Kingdom), but we forget that this reality is being carried out here on Earth as well (conforming, discipling, teaching, etc.)
The key to this apparent tension I believe is this Scripture here:
1 Co 2:12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
There is a link here between "understanding" to receiving what God has freely given. I can show you the parallels if you want to go down this rabbit hole.
But in 1 Co 2:12 do you notice the comparison of the spirit in the world and the spirit of God?
Compare that with this:
Jesus asked for us to be IN the world, but He also declared we would not be OF the world.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
So you see we are in the world, but we are not of the world. Understanding this is how we begin to manifest the reality here on Earth. Accepting we are a saint is actually how we begin to see it lived out.
The problem is that people think they are sinners trying to be saints. And this is called behavior modification, but it forget the power of grace to actually perform what He asks of us.
You are right in your questioning of how this is "practical" and hopefully you see that the "grace of God" that Paul so often asks that his listeners would have is actually what produces holiness from a practical stand point.
The issue isn't that God hasn't given it, but that people don't understand and agree with it. So they see the works of the flesh instead of the fruit of the Spirit.
Do we agree with what our flesh sees and says or what His Spirit says and declares? The difference can be seen in our lives. This is what James was referring to when he said show me your faith and I'll show you my faith and my works. But that's another post in itself.
Hope this clarifies and thank you for your wonderful heart to see God's holiness manifested on Earth. I desire to see it also, I've just found this to be the most Biblically accurate, God exalting, and transformative path to seeing it.
C.
Jesus said the truth shall set us free.
Discipleship comes from truth because truth sets us free.
Notice what Jesus says next...
Because Whom the Son sets free IS free indeed.
Discipleship (truth) replaces lies that release Kingdom of God. And it works because we are free. It is the truth though that reveals it.
Why is this important? Because the "mystical side" is actually what allows us to receive the "practical side".
I personally have not written about discipleship because I believe once the eternal side (or new creation) is accepted. The discipleship side comes with it, because it is the Spirit of God who disciples us, either for ourselves or with others. In fact, if we have ears we can hear Him speaking through each of us even in this forum. This is called, honor, when we honor others we can receive from the Spirit in them.
But yes, my friend, I agree with you. These are mere words and discipleship does help us walk out the reality of what Christ did pay for us. Think of it like this:
Whom the Father loves He "chastens"...
The interesting thing about this word "chasten" or even "discipline" is that it has an eye for what we are becoming, but not for what we did. It's not about punishment, but about conforming. Yes in this world, we are being conformed, we are being shaped and molded (this is Earth), but also remember the Kingdom is being manifested here on Earth.
So it is who we are in Christ that is being seen here on Earth. This is the Kingdom of God coming forth. Where His will will is fully manifested.
The error is, if we see that we are finished works in Christ (which is His Kingdom), but we forget that this reality is being carried out here on Earth as well (conforming, discipling, teaching, etc.)
The key to this apparent tension I believe is this Scripture here:
1 Co 2:12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
There is a link here between "understanding" to receiving what God has freely given. I can show you the parallels if you want to go down this rabbit hole.
But in 1 Co 2:12 do you notice the comparison of the spirit in the world and the spirit of God?
Compare that with this:
Jesus asked for us to be IN the world, but He also declared we would not be OF the world.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
So you see we are in the world, but we are not of the world. Understanding this is how we begin to manifest the reality here on Earth. Accepting we are a saint is actually how we begin to see it lived out.
The problem is that people think they are sinners trying to be saints. And this is called behavior modification, but it forget the power of grace to actually perform what He asks of us.
You are right in your questioning of how this is "practical" and hopefully you see that the "grace of God" that Paul so often asks that his listeners would have is actually what produces holiness from a practical stand point.
The issue isn't that God hasn't given it, but that people don't understand and agree with it. So they see the works of the flesh instead of the fruit of the Spirit.
Do we agree with what our flesh sees and says or what His Spirit says and declares? The difference can be seen in our lives. This is what James was referring to when he said show me your faith and I'll show you my faith and my works. But that's another post in itself.
Hope this clarifies and thank you for your wonderful heart to see God's holiness manifested on Earth. I desire to see it also, I've just found this to be the most Biblically accurate, God exalting, and transformative path to seeing it.
C.
I never thought you were so big to occupy the whole world.
You claimed today I have born false witness about you. It is strange how in a few posts I can do this
Sounds like your slandering and attempt a lying again. I have never understood why you go here.
If you read my posts I answered all your points. If you want to understand and be serious about
what you believe, you have been given the opportunity yet pass it over. Why not add it to your
blog and then we can all read it and see what we think. But I think you are just too scared to do
this.
You claimed today I have born false witness about you. It is strange how in a few posts I can do this
Sounds like your slandering and attempt a lying again. I have never understood why you go here.
If you read my posts I answered all your points. If you want to understand and be serious about
what you believe, you have been given the opportunity yet pass it over. Why not add it to your
blog and then we can all read it and see what we think. But I think you are just too scared to do
this.
Peter don't answer this....that is between you and the mods as EG says. I have noticed that you have cleaned up your abusive behavior a lot in the last month, so thank you. I should not have brought it up to you... forgive me.
I have told you many times in the past that I pray for you and I bless you and your family and wish for you and those you love to experience the grace and love of our Lord in your life.
The way she was using it was that she is powerful in Christ.
Not powerful without Christ.
There's a fine distinction here.
Paul had no problem saying we were more than conquerors.
And this:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I can do all things through Christwho strengthens me.
But the key is, Paul always mentions in Christ, by Christ, and through Christ. So you're right we do NOT do it in our effort or our power, but we do have access to His.
And it is the same power that raised Christ from the dead.
I love what you post, but this is an important distinction to me, because many people call themselves powerless because they don't understand what has been freely made available in Christ. And it can be a form of religion to think of ourselves less than He does.
2 Tim 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
C.
God says i am powerless -- it is not by might, nor by power, but by His spirit. salvation is not by human will or exertion; it is by His mercy. no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them. He knows my thoughts, that they are futile. everything is vanity, vanity of vanities.
but He is powerful -- and He calls me, and reaches out to me. He calls what is not, as though it is. He raises out of the dust; He speaks of the future in past tense. He takes dead men's bones and wraps sinew & flesh on them, breathes life into them, and they rise and dance and praise Him. He speaks, and it is. He lives and works and wills within me
i believe Him - what was dead, he quickens, and renews, and restores.
i am powerless, but He has all power, and He loves me!
Not powerful without Christ.
There's a fine distinction here.
Paul had no problem saying we were more than conquerors.
And this:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I can do all things through Christwho strengthens me.
But the key is, Paul always mentions in Christ, by Christ, and through Christ. So you're right we do NOT do it in our effort or our power, but we do have access to His.
And it is the same power that raised Christ from the dead.
I love what you post, but this is an important distinction to me, because many people call themselves powerless because they don't understand what has been freely made available in Christ. And it can be a form of religion to think of ourselves less than He does.
2 Tim 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
C.
God says i am powerless -- it is not by might, nor by power, but by His spirit. salvation is not by human will or exertion; it is by His mercy. no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them. He knows my thoughts, that they are futile. everything is vanity, vanity of vanities.
but He is powerful -- and He calls me, and reaches out to me. He calls what is not, as though it is. He raises out of the dust; He speaks of the future in past tense. He takes dead men's bones and wraps sinew & flesh on them, breathes life into them, and they rise and dance and praise Him. He speaks, and it is. He lives and works and wills within me
i believe Him - what was dead, he quickens, and renews, and restores.
i am powerless, but He has all power, and He loves me!
I do not think you understand my friend, you are a heretic, support heretics, push heresy and say
I am innocent. Now when i have talked about sin, it is in response to people saying I sin daily, like
getting angry when driving.
Requoting this is not slander, or bad will. I have been told I am speaking from a demon. Again I
respond that in likewise who am I to say the source of peoples inspiration. Mostly it is just
delusion, but who knows. And lying. EG is the most consistent person who has called me a liar,
like here today. My response is again to say that is itself a lie.
So if you can read, which sometime I doubt, I respond in kind to what has been given, level headed,
no problems. So I have never had a problem with people disagreeing with me. It is all this spiritual
junk put on top that is unnecessary which I respond to.
So like now, I am fine with your accusations, and this is the honest truth. What would you say as a
moderator? That is terrible unchristian behaviour or this is just people trying to provoke a response
out of an adversary?
So I turn the other cheek. I know you and these tactics too well. The Lord is King and His grace is
always enough to absorb this stuff till the day of judgement.
You know what really annoys you guys is your tactics do not work. So praise the Lord. To Him I bow
the knee in life and death, in love and hope. I do not play your games or by your rules but to the Lord
who I serve. In your morality if a brother was sinning himself to hell you would just let him go, that is
the sad reality.
I am innocent. Now when i have talked about sin, it is in response to people saying I sin daily, like
getting angry when driving.
Requoting this is not slander, or bad will. I have been told I am speaking from a demon. Again I
respond that in likewise who am I to say the source of peoples inspiration. Mostly it is just
delusion, but who knows. And lying. EG is the most consistent person who has called me a liar,
like here today. My response is again to say that is itself a lie.
So if you can read, which sometime I doubt, I respond in kind to what has been given, level headed,
no problems. So I have never had a problem with people disagreeing with me. It is all this spiritual
junk put on top that is unnecessary which I respond to.
So like now, I am fine with your accusations, and this is the honest truth. What would you say as a
moderator? That is terrible unchristian behaviour or this is just people trying to provoke a response
out of an adversary?
So I turn the other cheek. I know you and these tactics too well. The Lord is King and His grace is
always enough to absorb this stuff till the day of judgement.
You know what really annoys you guys is your tactics do not work. So praise the Lord. To Him I bow
the knee in life and death, in love and hope. I do not play your games or by your rules but to the Lord
who I serve. In your morality if a brother was sinning himself to hell you would just let him go, that is
the sad reality.