Kindness. Are you willing to share your experience of using Matthew 7:12 ?

PilgrimPassingThru · Jun 30, 2016

Very nice Sis!

Yeah, imagine it, what a visual in the one, "tormentors"? LOL

That invokes feelings of grievous things coming, not warm fuzzies.

Or like how its described about a "certain fearful looking ofr of judgment" in a similar way, I think we get a warning in us, not the first time so much (didnt see it coming) but after that...

I speak from experience

Handing one over to that (as it is described) Jesus telling them that the Father in heaven will do unto you likewise unto you if you dont forgive your brother from the heart. So the one not yet walking in the truth (and executing mercy) which is true judgment as was shown him (at the first) is the one who is shown treated in a similar fashion, it shows being judged of the LORD (as in chastisement)

Although, with Saul going after David as he was, the Spirit was removed from Saul and an evil spirit from God is that which troubled him

1 Samual 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

And the Javelin just speaks volumes to the intent of his heart (toward David)

1 Sam 19:9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

David would say, God judge between thee and me I believe He does but we might not always perceive it.

But He would actually get relief from the evil spirit when David played the harp.

Thats then where that one verse come in that I posted by mistake on the one thread,

2 Thes 1:6 [FONT=&quot]Seeing [/FONT]it is[FONT=&quot] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you

Speaks of seeing good days, and speaks of tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that doeth evil and of Saul we see what is sent to trouble him likewise, and bearing ones judgment is spoken of. I see these ongoing here and now. Vengeance being his (and his judging his people) are within the realm of the chastening of the LORD. No one really touches upon it too much.

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Th0mas · Jun 30, 2016

thepsalmist said:

"Humble yourself to the utmost, for the punishment to the ungodly is fire and worms."

PilgrimPassingThru · Jun 30, 2016

Th0mas said:

Why not post the book of verse number, its not that far off from the other books so much on all things.

But not sure how that relates to what was posted, as I was using terms such as robbery, borrowing, and paying again in terms of receiving and extending mercy, so I cant comment on any connection, unless I missed it.

Magenta · Jun 30, 2016

Sirach is not reliably numbered. Providing readers precise Sirach citations (chapter and verse, as with the Bible) is highly problematic, as a firm numbering construct apparently does not exist. What is the book of Sirach?

PilgrimPassingThru · Jun 30, 2016

Magenta said:

Maybe I was thinking of another, I thought I recalled something similar we were going back and forth with elsewhere and there was many of them I saw in agreement with what we have but I thought they were numbered at the time.

Perhaps just name the book rather, unless one shouldnt here? Im not sure to be honest with you.

crossnote · Jun 30, 2016

Th0mas said:

For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
(Rom 11:32)

crossnote · Jun 30, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

That is weird, my post disapeared, no what I am referring to is chastening in respects to our being judged, as the Lord judges us.

1 Cr 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Chastening being grievous (experientially so) as the forgiven servent being handed over to the tormentors is given to the disciples themselves (even as the Father chastens them he receives as sons) but they dont always execute true judgment (as they ought to) just as in the parable of such a servant, and so judgment (even chatisement) without mercy (which was extended to him at the first) was delivered to him after (that he might learn) as there is a TILL in that picture.

And the same wording is found here also in respects to death and life and actually passing from it (as it relates to loving our brethren)

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Oh this judgment for believers.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
(2Co 5:10)

PilgrimPassingThru · Jun 30, 2016

crossnote said:

Okay so you see that as our Father chastening us and pruning us (in the here and now)? Or being judged (rather chastened) in more of an after death time (appearing before him) as some put that one, but not in real time (being chastened by the Father of our spirits)?

crossnote · Jun 30, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

I see it as what it is called...the 'bema seat' of Christ, where we are rewarded. It is for believers only and not the same as the White Throne Judgment which unbelievers will be judged by their works...just as they wanted it.

PilgrimPassingThru · Jun 30, 2016

crossnote said:

I believe we are created in Christ unto good works, but this here, is this what is considered more of an after death judgment versus being judged (meaning chastened) or is that concerning being judged (in the context of being chastened) for the peaecable fruit of righteouesness as it speaks?

See what Im asking, like, I will say, hey we are chastened of Him right? It says dont despise the chastening of the Lord which is also called judged by him (as the Lord judges his people) and that when we are judged of him (chastened) we are so that we should not be condemned with the world, but also that same chastisement (and being trained thereby) we might bring forth more fruit, even the peaceable fruits of righteousness even through the same.

Like is it understood that when we are judged (or chastened) its in the next life (and not this life?) and by that I mean in that particular judgment, the "bema seat" judgment versus (lets say) being judged (as in the chastening of the Lord) Know what I mean? Or are you seeing them as two different things for two different purposes (or times) or are you seeing them both to be of the same thing at the same time, and when (like in this life, or the next)? Thats more like what I was getting at, if I was any clearer, I dont know.

oldethennew · Jun 30, 2016

this thread and the theme of this thread is all about Jesus and His giving to others
as He has so freely and lovingly and preciously given to each and every one of us...our Holy Example...

your example is on yourselves...

Th0mas · Jun 30, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

I know a little about you, I judged to quote it in a way to help you reconsider things, me judging it was possible that there was a need to. I judged that if I put the word "Sirach" in, it may have caused a biased judgement of it.

I judge 'The Wisdom of Sirach' contains parts that are in harmony with The Bible. I have not investigated it fully to judge if it all is or not. I have not seen any argument against it that has convinced me that there are parts of it that are not in harmony with The Bible. I'm not credulous, I judge humans are not infallible, not even scholars and I judge sophisms exist.

You may compare what is below and you may judge that I changed the wording of the saying, the word "loves" taken out and the word "serves" put in. I have been working to obey what is in part of 1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. So you may judge that what I quoted was me saying a quote from the word of God. You may judge the quote to be imperfect, I judge I don't have the ability to speak the same as God the Father can but you may think that doesn't mean I can't use words wisely.

Sirach 31:5

One who loves gold will not be justified; one who pursues money will be led astray by it.

Sirach 31:5 changed.

"One who serves gold will not be justified; one who pursues money will be led astray by it."

PilgrimPassingThru said:

You may look at the words below and judge that a person who serves God, has received mercy from Him, will want to be merciful to other people and will not want to be unmerciful to other people for the purpose of serving money. You may judge that, that is relevant to all you have been talking about in this thread.

Matthew 18:28

"But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. 'Pay back what you owe me!' he demanded.

Sirach 31:5 changed.

"One who serves gold will not be justified; one who pursues money will be led astray by it."

Luke 16:13

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

LaurenTM · Jun 30, 2016

Th0mas said:

reminds me of:

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: I Peter 3:15

and then

Some issues are not worth dealing with. Paul writes (2:23), “But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.” He is talking about those who were getting into fruitless doctrinal controversies in the church. Perhaps the best commentary on our text is 1 Timothy 1:3-7: from this site

and there is also

Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, II Tim. 2:25

PilgrimPassingThru · Jun 30, 2016

Th0mas said:

I know a little about you, I judged to quote it in a way to help you reconsider things, me judging it was possible that there was a need to. I judged that if I put the word "Sirach" in, it may have caused a biased judgement of it.

I judge 'The Wisdom of Sirach' contains parts that are in harmony with The Bible. I have not investigated it fully to judge if it all is or not. I have not seen any argument against it that has convinced me that there are parts of it that are not in harmony with The Bible. I'm not credulous, I judge humans are not infallible, not even scholars and I judge sophisms exist.

You may compare what is below and you may judge that I changed the wording of the saying, the word "loves" taken out and the word "serves" put in. I have been working to obey what is in part of 1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. So you may judge that what I quoted was me saying a quote from the word of God. You may judge the quote to be imperfect, I judge I don't have the ability to speak the same as God the Father can but you may think that doesn't mean I can't use words wisely.

Sirach 31:5

One who loves gold will not be justified; one who pursues money will be led astray by it.

Sirach 31:5 changed.

"One who serves gold will not be justified; one who pursues money will be led astray by it."

You may look at the words below and judge that a person who serves God, has received mercy from Him, will want to be merciful to other people and will not want to be unmerciful to other people for the purpose of serving money. You may judge that, that is relevant to all you have been talking about in this thread.

Matthew 18:28

"But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. 'Pay back what you owe me!' he demanded.

Sirach 31:5 changed.

"One who serves gold will not be justified; one who pursues money will be led astray by it."

Luke 16:13

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

Okay, I gotcha now, yeah sure, any money debt would likely not be forgiven by one both loves and serves either.

I was moving moreso from a place of being forgiven of the Lord a debt first and then going and doing likewise in mercy, but less so from a place of literal monies, as the end of the parable has the servant thrown back into jail with the demand for payment of what he owed (which was not money if looking at it in the natural but according to the Spirit that way).

I'll get tossed back into other things and stumped once and awhile following one theme (after one manner) and the other come in.

Peace

Th0mas · Jun 30, 2016

oldethennew said:

A quotation.

"Give graciously to all the living; do not withhold kindness even from the dead."

To show some of my judgement about that, it may be thought that "the dead" in that may be thought of as people who love living in sin or an instance of a person who has made a bad choice.

Th0mas · Jun 30, 2016

Blain said:

I always try to speak to others in a way that connects to them personally. I can tell when a person is timid or easily hurt and so I speak to them in a gentle manner I can tell when a person is hard of hearing you know won't accept sound advice thinks their right no matter what and sees correction as judgment and honestly rebukes correction period and I try to relay to them how this mindset of their is going to block a lot of God but well it doesn't often help.

And I can tell when a person has a good sense of humor and I can joke around with them I can also tell when a person is serious and wants to discuss things in a mature and serious manner. From speaking with ppl for a short amount of time I can read them I can tell what kind of person they are how to speak to them what connects to them but regardless of the person one thing I put before anything else is to speak and discuss correct and reply in a kind mature and Christ like manner. How can we reach and impact people in harsh words?

A quotation.

"My child, do not mix reviling with your good deeds, or spoil your gift by harsh words."

Th0mas · Jun 30, 2016

LaurenTM said:

reminds me of:

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: I Peter 3:15

and then

Some issues are not worth dealing with. Paul writes (2:23), “But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.” He is talking about those who were getting into fruitless doctrinal controversies in the church. Perhaps the best commentary on our text is 1 Timothy 1:3-7: from this site

and there is also

Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, II Tim. 2:25

Did you consider that I may be testing you to see what your experience is and not to selfishly protect myself and the will of God may be happening ?

BeyondET · Jun 30, 2016

Th0mas said:

my answer would be because I want too for no other reason than that, how about you what would be your reason?

Th0mas · Jul 1, 2016

BeyondET said:

Part of the explanation is that I work to please God, when God is pleased by what I say or do then I'm pleased.

In obeying God I may please or displease other people. It is right to do the will of God every time.

crossnote · Jul 1, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

I believe we are created in Christ unto good works, but this here, is this what is considered more of an after death judgment versus being judged (meaning chastened) or is that concerning being judged (in the context of being chastened) for the peaecable fruit of righteouesness as it speaks?

See what Im asking, like, I will say, hey we are chastened of Him right? It says dont despise the chastening of the Lord which is also called judged by him (as the Lord judges his people) and that when we are judged of him (chastened) we are so that we should not be condemned with the world, but also that same chastisement (and being trained thereby) we might bring forth more fruit, even the peaceable fruits of righteousness even through the same.

Like is it understood that when we are judged (or chastened) its in the next life (and not this life?) and by that I mean in that particular judgment, the "bema seat" judgment versus (lets say) being judged (as in the chastening of the Lord) Know what I mean? Or are you seeing them as two different things for two different purposes (or times) or are you seeing them both to be of the same thing at the same time, and when (like in this life, or the next)? Thats more like what I was getting at, if I was any clearer, I dont know.

The bema seat is like where the judge of a contest handed out rewards. It will happen after this life and has little to do with chastisement.
We are chastised/spanked/pruned in this life that we may bear further fruit for His glory.

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