Muslim Religion

[Yeraza_Bats]

Yeraza, like so many far right pro war types succumb to the delusion that is right wing political correctness. Funny how they are so pro war, hate Muslims so much by wishing to make war on them, and fail to accept God's teaching that combat is not necessary in order to win a conflict as I have pointed out previously.

I stopped reading your post here, and the reason is because you are painting a picture of me here that is 100% untrue.

I never once claimed we need to make war on Muslims.

I never once wished for the death of Muslims.

I never once said "lets gather against the Muslims".


Once again you are speaking in your own hatred of right leaning people, your entire world view is guided by your own politics, that you really view everyone who disagrees with you as a gun owning Fox News "dont tread on me" militia men nut job.


My ENTIRE argument in this is this- Islam is not from God, Muhammad was a false prophet, Islam commands murder and subjagation, ESPECIALLY on Gods people (Christians and Jews), it leads its followers to extreme prejudice against the Jews (go to youtube video comment sections and see how much the Muslims like calling people they dont like "filthy Jews"), it denies Jesus Christ while claiming to follow Him, but works on a fictional Christ with no historical evidence, it is an evil religion given by fallen angels to lead men to their death, JUST AS THE APOSTLES warned us would come. False prophets who came in the name of Jesus Christ, with a doctrine contrary to the Gospel.


You need to go back to the very first page and reread this entire thread, if you believe we here on CC want "the death of Muslims". No one here wants to make genocide against them. I want to speak out against a false prophet, even if the Muslims were to kill me for it.
(defend them if you want, but they 100% put people to death for speaking out against Muhammad)

 

[PlainWord]

I checked your links but saw nothing there about Muslims handing out tracts. In fact, Muslims I have spoken to over the years have told me their religion does not hand out tracts as they do not proselytize. But if you insist such a story is not in your imagination, so be it.

While on the Temple Mount I was given a brief overview of the Qur'an and an actual Qur'ran by our Muslim guide. I read the overview as it wasn't very long. On the surface, it all sounded pretty good and consistent with many of our Bible teachings. This is how Satan deceives. He uses a lot of acceptable truths then sprinkles in a lie here and a lie there. Next thing you know, the Muslim is worshiping him (Satan) and not the "God of the Universe" like they think they are serving.

The differences between Islam and Christianity appear subtle but if you dig into it you see they are 180 degrees out of sync in many key areas.

At the Kaaba in Mecca, where every Muslim must journey once in their lives, they circle the Temple of Allah 7 times then caress the Kaaba Stone (as if it were a woman) which is located as the cornerstone of Allah's temple. Rev 17: [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. Again, the cornerstone of Islam is a black stone, an image fallen from the sky. We are commanded NOT to worship or serve such an image. Exo 20: [SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above... [SUP]5 [/SUP]you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God...

Our cornerstone is Christ, the Son of the Living God. 1 Pet 2: “Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.” We are given a White Stone, not a Black Stone. Rev 2: And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”’

The Son which Muslims deny which makes them all "ANTICHRISTS." 1 John 2: Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 2 John 1: For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. You see all Muslims are "ANTICHRISTS" because they deny that God has a Son and they deny that Jesus is the Son of God, instead they say, "Jesus (Isa) is only a prophet. They have gone out into all the world teaching this lie.

According to Jihadists, Israel is the "Little Satan" and America is the "Big Satan." These Jihadists want to destroy both Israel and America. When God brought judgment on Israel in the past it was usually by giving them weak, foolish and immoral leaders then having an enemy invade them, kill them, and take the survivors away as slaves while looting everything of value. Weak and feckless leadership who cannot see the threat and thus is not prepared to stop it puts us all at risk.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Ive even heard that Muslims call the black stone the "right hand of allah". Knowing that Jesus is the right hand of God, this really bothers me. Its almost as if satan is mocking God by putting the essence of our Lord into a rock, it cleanses them of our sins, the world bows before it and kisses it, and they even call it the "right hand of god".

Its pretty awful. Although I do not rejoice on the death of others, I do believe I would rejoice the day that rock is destroyed by God.

 

[kaylagrl]

I am afraid you have laid your colours bare. I got in trouble for criticising Americans, but I am afraid these kinds of degenerate arguments always come from the mouths of Americans.

Time has really run out for America now, so there is no point my arguing with it. Judgement will come, the lights will go out, and you'll learn the hard way.

Why on earth would you want any religion other than Christianity practiced in your country?

Do you not understand that Judaism is anti-christianity, and involves many unbiblical practices. I almost feel sorry for you. I guess your dog loves you.

Quote " I guess your dog loves you."


Lol !!! I'm just going to leave this one here for the moderators. If you as mods think this has anything to do with the discussion of Muslim religion so be it. This attitude it what starts free for all arguments in these threads. When people begin to bait with personal attacks I'd say their character is pretty low. (and yes,my dog loves me)


Quote "Why on earth would you want any religion other than Christianity practiced in your country? "

Thats funny,I don't recall saying that. I said others have a right to practice whatever religion they choose so why not the Jews? Last time I checked the UK wasn't a "Christian" country. In fact my cousin spent 3yrs in London and became a hardened atheist because of the friends he made there. Will barely speak to me now.

Quote "Do you not understand that Judaism is anti-christianity"

Do YOU understand that God has a plan for the Jews and that many will come to Jesus as per Romans 11!!!! You do understand Jesus was a Jew, Mary was a Jewess, The Patriarchs were Jews. You understand the Word says salvation was to the JEWS first and the we are grafted in as Gentiles and that we are not to brag on our position but pray for the salvation of the Jews? Or are you going to come off with some Replacement Theology nonsense about the church replacing the Jews? The damnable doctrine of "replacement" theology that led to the Holocaust killing 6 million Jews. Or was that ok with you? And let me guess,you won't call it replacement theology, NO! they've repackaged and renamed it so they don't look blatantly antisemitic. They want the Jews to have all the curses and the Gentiles to have all the blessings. And they'll twist Scripture every possible way to make it say the Jews are no longer Gods chosen people. But its the same old satan inspired antisemitic ,heretical doctrine, no matter how pretty they make the package.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

One thing I have noticed about the "replacement theology" crowd is that they are often quick to buddy up with the Muslims.

I absolutely believe 100% this anti Jew movement not only within Christianity but the entire world is spiritually inspired.
(keep in mind when I say spiritually inspired, I do not mean holy spirit, but as in by spiritual beings who exist around us working in secret against us. Not every spirit is from God)

 

[Utah]

Can you scripturally support any of your arguments, or do you just regurgitate Zionist nonsense, and then pat yourself on the back? Paul does not allow women to teach, and for a good reason. You are spewing nonsense my dear.

I'll "spew" the same "nonsense" and I'm a man. Well what do you know, suddenly you can't use that misogynist garbage as a weapon of censorship. How do you like them apples?

 

[Utah]

Save the lesson for the right wingers on this forum who love war and commit it in the name of the Prince of Peace.

Once again you're skirting the issue like a good little fascist. I should be arrested for child abuse when dealing with you.

 

[Utah]

Yeraza, like so many far right pro war types succumb to the delusion that is right wing political correctness. Funny how they are so pro war, hate Muslims so much by wishing to make war on them, and fail to accept God's teaching that combat is not necessary in order to win a conflict as I have pointed out previously. On that basis all these pro war right wingers are not fit to be called Christian as well. Little do they realize that truth as 'If you obey every law except one, you are still guilty of breaking them all'' - James 2:10.




Interestingly, Yeraza continues to insist that, somehow, I do not acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. Yet nowhere has he pointed out that I have made such a suggestion. Somehow he feels free to sit in judgment of others while ignoring biblical commandments against such indiscretions (Matt 7:1). He certainly is not obeying the Law but must be under the influence of the right wing television evangelists whose warped views of the Bible have been discredited multiple times. But if that is the life he chooses to live, so be it.






''There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death'' ~ Proverbs 14:12

I admit I had visceral hatred for Muslims at one time but God worked with me and softened my heart regarding Muslims, yet be that as it may, I am diligent against false teachings that fail to acknowledge Jesus' full glory. Islam is one such false teaching. Once again you're words are trumped.

 

[kaylagrl]

Can you scripturally support any of your arguments, or do you just regurgitate Zionist nonsense, and then pat yourself on the back? Paul does not allow women to teach, and for a good reason. You are spewing nonsense my dear.

Quote "Can you scripturally support any of your arguments"


And here the game starts. Whatever I say, watch Zeek turn and twist Scripture and say" its not saying that at all"! He spouts false doctrine that is antisemitic and then blames women for poor teaching.Watch the dance he does to avoid the truth of the Word.


1. Amos 9: 14- And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

In 1948 Israel declared its independence. This trigger a war with the countries surrounding the newly former Israel, its well known to history. The Secretary General of the Arab League, said “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.” They were ready to wipe Israel off the map. But this tiny, newly formed nation prevailed. Anyone who thinks God did not have His hand on the creation of Israel is willfully blind and stubbornly antisemitic.


2.Ezekiel 37:10-14
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet--a vast army. Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’”

Israel re-established sovereignty in 1948, a mere three years after the end of the Holocaust, during which the Nazis killed about one-third of the world’s Jewish population. And yet some deny Gods hand isn't still on His chosen, willfully,hopelessly blind.

3.Isaiah 66:7-8
“Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.”

This accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 - when the Jews declared independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation for the first time in 2900 years.During that same day, the United States issued a statement recognizing Israel’s sovereignty. And, only hours beforehand, a United Nations mandate expired, ending British control of the land. During a 24-hour span of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally ceased, and Israel had declared its independence, and its independence was acknowledged by other nations. Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day.

4.Ezekiel 37:21-22and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.

5.Jeremiah 16:14-15
“However, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when men will no longer say, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’ but they will say, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

6.Ezekiel 34:13
I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

After many centuries of dispersion, hundreds of thousands of Jews returned to their ancient homeland beginning in the late 1800s. But, millions more returned after Israel declared independence in 1948. In other words, millions of exiles returned to their ancient homeland which was now truly “their own land” in the sense that it was now a sovereign Jewish state.

7.Jeremiah 31:10
“Hear the word of the Lord, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: ‘He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.’

Believe what you wish, but there is evidence that God indeed has watched over the re-established nation of Israel. Hours after Israel declared independence in 1948, the surrounding countries attacked, hoping to replace the Jewish state with an Arab state. These countries are much larger than Israel. But tiny Israel prevailed in that war and was able to capture additional land, increasing the land size of Israel by 50 percent. Israel also prevailed in the two other major wars that followed.

8.Leviticus 26:3, 7-8
“If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands, ... You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.”

Within hours of Israel’s declaration of independence in 1948, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon invaded Israel. The combined population of those countries was at least 20 million at that time. Israel had fewer than 1 million Jews. Even so, the Jews won the war and expanded the size of Israel by 50 percent.

During the War of 1967, Israel attacked the air force bases of the surrounding countries and took control of Jerusalem for the first time in about 2000 years. They also seized additional territory. That war lasted a mere 6 days.

Even now surrounded by enemies on every side that have said they will wipe Israel off the map and push her into the sea Israel stands. Supposedly Frederick the Great asked for a proof of God “Can you give me one single irrefutable proof of God?” “Yes, your Majesty, the Jews.” (MARQUIS D’ARGENS to Frederick the Great, 1779).

9.Deuteronomy 30:3-5
then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.

Today, Israel is among the world’s most prosperous countries. In 1999, for example, Israel’s per capita Gross Domestic Product was twice as prosperous than the neighboring countries.

Some excerpts from http://watchmanbiblestudy.com/articles/1948PropheciesFulfilled.html along with my own comments.

 

[kaylagrl]

One thing I have noticed about the "replacement theology" crowd is that they are often quick to buddy up with the Muslims.

I absolutely believe 100% this anti Jew movement not only within Christianity but the entire world is spiritually inspired.
(keep in mind when I say spiritually inspired, I do not mean holy spirit, but as in by spiritual beings who exist around us working in secret against us. Not every spirit is from God)

Absolutely! This is why I asked Zeek about Israel. And notice how angry and insulting he became as soon as I brought up the name Jew?! Its is totally 100% antisemitic. He showed himself with his anger and insults. Hatred for the Jews. Old as time. And one day,they will answer for it if they do not repent.

 

[PlainWord]

Ive even heard that Muslims call the black stone the "right hand of allah". Knowing that Jesus is the right hand of God, this really bothers me. Its almost as if satan is mocking God by putting the essence of our Lord into a rock, it cleanses them of our sins, the world bows before it and kisses it, and they even call it the "right hand of god".

Its pretty awful. Although I do not rejoice on the death of others, I do believe I would rejoice the day that rock is destroyed by God.

Well said. See the below which is a direct slap in the face of God and a mockery to those in heaven.

 

[PlainWord]

One thing I have noticed about the "replacement theology" crowd is that they are often quick to buddy up with the Muslims.

I absolutely believe 100% this anti Jew movement not only within Christianity but the entire world is spiritually inspired.
(keep in mind when I say spiritually inspired, I do not mean holy spirit, but as in by spiritual beings who exist around us working in secret against us. Not every spirit is from God)

Satan wishes to kill and thus remove all Jews and Christians from the planet so that there will be no witnesses to the true God of Heaven. He knows the plan against him.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

He first wages war with Israel then Christians, those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.

 

[ZEEK]

You are just endorsing the point.

I'll "spew" the same "nonsense" and I'm a man. Well what do you know, suddenly you can't use that misogynist garbage as a weapon of censorship. How do you like them apples?

 

[ZEEK]

What is replacement theology?
Strangely, I am not remotely angry, just sad.

Insults are a very subjective matter. Being Jewish and being accused of 'anti-semitism', whatever that is, I don't take offence.

I love the Jews, just like anybody else, so your wild accusations tumble back on you.

I think forums are useful if you come to learn, but if you come to entrench further your entrenched views, without any notion of spiritual authority, or any desire to learn, then you are on a slippery slope.

I could say I feel sorry for you, but it is more appropriate for me to leave this worthless dead end conversation.

Absolutely! This is why I asked Zeek about Israel. And notice how angry and insulting he became as soon as I brought up the name Jew?! Its is totally 100% antisemitic. He showed himself with his anger and insults. Hatred for the Jews. Old as time. And one day,they will answer for it if they do not repent.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Satan wishes to kill and thus remove all Jews and Christians from the planet so that there will be no witnesses to the true God of Heaven. He knows the plan against him.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

He first wages war with Israel then Christians, those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.

This is perfect, we should really remember this verse when we consider the Jews.

Too many Christians seem to want to think the Jews are the enemy. But I mean if we really believe an all-knowing God, why would we believe He chose the Jews as His people, just to undo all of it and leave them forever? That seems to undermine His ability to do anything. As if He would make them His chosen people, give them Israel, and promise them their special place, just to wash His hands and take it all away because they, just like us, have turned on Him.

It doesnt really make any sense. Dont you think God had a plan from the start? He knows what Hes doing, He even told us before Christ came into the flesh that His people would turn on Him. Have some faith that God keeps His word, and knows what Hes doing. The Jews are not our enemy. No where did Christ ever tell us that they are our enemy.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I checked your links but saw nothing there about Muslims handing out tracts. In fact, Muslims I have spoken to over the years have told me their religion does not hand out tracts as they do not proselytize. But if you insist such a story is not in your imagination, so be it.

Your out there. Too many mushrooms for you. I can't talk to you anymore. Your living in Bizzaro world. You didn't even read my post, or if you did, you just completely twisted it. I can't question if your Christian or not, but judging by this reply, I seriously think you have issues.

 

[PlainWord]

This is perfect, we should really remember this verse when we consider the Jews.

Too many Christians seem to want to think the Jews are the enemy. But I mean if we really believe an all-knowing God, why would we believe He chose the Jews as His people, just to undo all of it and leave them forever? That seems to undermine His ability to do anything. As if He would make them His chosen people, give them Israel, and promise them their special place, just to wash His hands and take it all away because they, just like us, have turned on Him.

It doesnt really make any sense. Dont you think God had a plan from the start? He knows what Hes doing, He even told us before Christ came into the flesh that His people would turn on Him. Have some faith that God keeps His word, and knows what Hes doing. The Jews are not our enemy. No where did Christ ever tell us that they are our enemy.

Exactly. 100% correct!! As Paul warns, we Gentile Christians must never get haughty or we could be grafted back out of the Olive Tree.

Rom 11: [SUP]19 [/SUP]You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Israel has a perpetual, everlasting covenant to be God's People. Israel is God's bride as the Church is Christ's bride. There is no teaching of a replacement doctrine. While Christ loves the Church, we know that the Church is falling away and losing its ability to convict the world of its sins as it once was able to do.

When He returns, He returns to Israel and the 1/3 of Israel which was not cut off by the invading Muslim armies of the North, will return to God and be called His people and they will call Him their God. The day is fast approaching...

Zec 13: [SUP]9 [/SUP]I will bring the one–third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

 

[kaylagrl]

What is replacement theology?
Strangely, I am not remotely angry, just sad.

Insults are a very subjective matter. Being Jewish and being accused of 'anti-semitism', whatever that is, I don't take offence.

I love the Jews, just like anybody else, so your wild accusations tumble back on you.

I think forums are useful if you come to learn, but if you come to entrench further your entrenched views, without any notion of spiritual authority, or any desire to learn, then you are on a slippery slope.

I could say I feel sorry for you, but it is more appropriate for me to leave this worthless dead end conversation.

Yes,its best to leave the conversation. But from what you say I see no love of the Jews. You can be any race,and still hate your own race. Best yes,its best you leave the conversation.

 

[peacenik]

Yeraza,



My ENTIRE argument in this is this- Islam is not from God, Muhammad was a false prophet, Islam commands murder and subjagation, ESPECIALLY on Gods people (Christians and Jews)

This is precisely what other critics have said about the Catholic church for centuries.

I was just reading through Volume III of the Fundamentals - Rome, The Antagonist of the Nation by Rev John Foster [1917]. He wrote among other things, "Rome is the Nation's antagonist because it is a corrupt and corrupting system of falsehood and idolatry that pollutes our Land ... a political system of foreign despotism". The writer condemns the use of extraneous writings (called 'forgeries'), usurpation of the role of the Messiah, and like many writers here, praised war, condemned Islam for drawing people away from Christianity, claim that the religion undermines the influence of the Bible, and claims this is a Christian nation that has no place for other forms of thinking. Thus, the things you and other critics here say about Islam is precisely the same said about the RCC all this time. All that antagonism, all that hostility, all those conflicts, all that hate, and all the bloodletting that resulted from this attitude was all in vain. Eventually you will learn that all the negativity you and others have spewed towards Muslims will similarly be in vain.

 

[peacenik]

Your out there. Too many mushrooms for you. I can't talk to you anymore. Your living in Bizzaro world. You didn't even read my post, or if you did, you just completely twisted it. I can't question if your Christian or not, but judging by this reply, I seriously think you have issues.

LOL. You say "give peas a chance". I suggest you read the Bible to learn Jesus is Prince of Peace. No one or nothing else is.