Matthew 7:21-23

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Grace777x70

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
What they are trusting in is their belief that they are doing GOD's will because they think he is manifesting himself through them because they cast out of demons, prophesy, and do 'miraculous' things in the spirit. These are all characteristics of the charismatic persuasion.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:22​

Wonderful works
G1411 δύναμις dunamis (doo'-nam-is) n.
1. force
2. (specially) miraculous power
3. (usually by implication) a miracle itself
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Nonsense as we are told by Jesus that the church will do greater works then what He had done. Notice the operative word in the below scriptures is "believe".

John 14:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.


Mark 16:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;

[SUP]18 [/SUP] they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

The truth is that these people were false prophets just like Jesus said "in context" ( Matt 7:15 ) and Jesus did not "know them". Jesus knows His sheep He said. They were now in Christ.
 
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Ahwatukee

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
What they are trusting in is their belief that they are doing GOD's will because they think he is manifesting himself through them because they cast out of demons, prophesy, and do 'miraculous' things in the spirit. These are all characteristics of the charismatic persuasion.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:22

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Wonderful works
G1411 δύναμις dunamis (doo'-nam-is) n.
1. force
2. (specially) miraculous power
3. (usually by implication) a miracle itself
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Sir, if they were in the Spirit, they wouldn't be claiming their works as a means of entering into the kingdom of God, but would know that the only way in is by faith in Christ. This isn't about the Greek definition of words, but about the context. Their answer tells the reason why they aren't entering in. But, as not continue in this, if that is what you believe, then go with it. The reason why is in their response, of which they are claiming entrance by their own efforts.
 
Grace777x70

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Grace777x70 said:


Nonsense as we are told by Jesus that the church will do greater works then what He had done. Notice the operative word in the below scriptures is "believe".

John 14:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.


Mark 16:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;

[SUP]18 [/SUP] they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

The truth is that these people were false prophets just like Jesus said "in context" ( Matt 7:15 ) and Jesus did not "know them". Jesus knows His sheep He said. They were now in Christ.
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Opps....at the end it is supposed to say "they were not in Christ"..sorry for the mis-type.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
Sir, if they were in the Spirit, they wouldn't be claiming their works as a means of entering into the kingdom of God, but would know that the only way in is by faith in Christ. This isn't about the Greek definition of words, but about the context. Their answer tells the reason why they aren't entering in. But, as not continue in this, if that is what you believe, then go with it. The reason why is in their response, of which they are claiming entrance by their own efforts.
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The context is clearly about those who think they are spiritual (because of all of the 'spiritual' manifestations), but have hearts of wickedness.
 
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mailmandan said:
What were they trusting in for salvation?
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IMO Christ was describing anyone who believes they are doing GOD's will because they think they are spiritual, but who work wickedness. That applied to Jews who were trusting in circumcision and keeping the law, and applies to Christians who are 'trusting' in Jesus to save them.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
IMO Christ was describing anyone who believes they are doing GOD's will because they think they are spiritual, but who work wickedness. That applied to Jews who were trusting in circumcision and keeping the law, and applies to Christians who are 'trusting' in Jesus to save them.
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Trusting in Jesus to save us and trusting in works to save us is mutually exclusive. Those who trust in works for salvation believe they are doing God's will and believe they are spiritual but work wickedness which stems from UNBELIEF. In regards to the Jews--Romans 10:3 - For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
IMO Christ was describing anyone who believes they are doing GOD's will because they think they are spiritual, but who work wickedness. That applied to Jews who were trusting in circumcision and keeping the law, and applies to Christians who are 'trusting' in Jesus to save them.
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What??? Now trusting in Jesus is not going to save us?

My goodness...you can't have any understanding of the true gospel of the grace of Christ.

Can you not see why there are so many concerned about you? Trusting in Jesus is everything. The gospel is all about Jesus and what He has done. Come to Jesus and He will give you rest and save you and you won't have to depend on yourself anymore.
 
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You just can't change the meaning of "I never knew you" - those mentioned who are practicers of lawlessness are those that never knew Him. In other words, they were never saved. The fact they were never saved can be seen by their actions, in that they are saying "my work" rather than "your work, Christ". Those who are religious are trusting in their own work, whereas believers are trusting in the work of Christ. That's the difference.

When I see people fighting those words "I never knew you," trying to change what it actually means it's obvious they have a particular view which requires twisting of many scriptures to fit with their view, rather than changing their view to fit with the scriptures. Just like we take the bread and wine in "remembrance" there are many who will fight that word. Reality is you can't change its meaning no matter how hard you try. Accept what the words mean and change your view to match with what the scriptures say. Abandon what does not agree with the scriptures. Love the truth.
 
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Katy-follower said:
You just can't change the meaning of "I never knew you" - those mentioned who are practicers of lawlessness are those that never knew Him. In other words, they were never saved. The fact they were never saved can be seen by their actions, in that they are saying "my work" rather than "your work, Christ". Those who are religious are trusting in their own work, whereas believers are trusting in the work of Christ. That's the difference.

If those of the group "I never knew you" practice "lawlessness", then would logic suggest that the people whom He knows practice lawfulness? just a question.
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