Why is the bible so open to interpretation?
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oh we see through a glass darkly now John and that means all of us
however, we are blessed with the infilling of the Holy Spirit and God has also blessed us with teachers, anointed and chosen by Him to teach
no one has 100% truth and that is why we take counsel from others and we do our best to divide the word of truth correctly
we have also the gift of discernment, which is honed through study, practice and comparison and it is also a spiritual gift
deception is rampant in this world and will continue to get worse, so it is best to get behind the leader now, Jesus, as He says His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him!
oh we see through a glass darkly now John and that means all of us
however, we are blessed with the infilling of the Holy Spirit and God has also blessed us with teachers, anointed and chosen by Him to teach
no one has 100% truth and that is why we take counsel from others and we do our best to divide the word of truth correctly
we have also the gift of discernment, which is honed through study, practice and comparison and it is also a spiritual gift
deception is rampant in this world and will continue to get worse, so it is best to get behind the leader now, Jesus, as He says His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him!
however, we are blessed with the infilling of the Holy Spirit and God has also blessed us with teachers, anointed and chosen by Him to teach
no one has 100% truth and that is why we take counsel from others and we do our best to divide the word of truth correctly
we have also the gift of discernment, which is honed through study, practice and comparison and it is also a spiritual gift
deception is rampant in this world and will continue to get worse, so it is best to get behind the leader now, Jesus, as He says His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him!
Question: Would God give us His word, instruct us to live by His word, and not give it to us? God is going to judge us according to what we've done with His word. Why would God hold us accountable to something that we don't have?
How do I defend my beliefs to a lost world when what I've got is not trustworthy?
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well Jesus has that covered, see?
He says "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. John 14:6
I allow the Holy Spirit to speak through me when I am witnessing and I have to say, He really does bring to my mind what I have 'heard' (read, studied etc)
are you a bit upset? sorry if I am wrong, but you seem a bit upset here...
I will add that God does not hold us accountable anymore. Jesus has paid our debt and it is paid in full. We continue in Him and He keeps us by His Spirit.
oh we see through a glass darkly now John and that means all of us
however, we are blessed with the infilling of the Holy Spirit and God has also blessed us with teachers, anointed and chosen by Him to teach
no one has 100% truth and that is why we take counsel from others and we do our best to divide the word of truth correctly
we have also the gift of discernment, which is honed through study, practice and comparison and it is also a spiritual gift
deception is rampant in this world and will continue to get worse, so it is best to get behind the leader now, Jesus, as He says His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him!
however, we are blessed with the infilling of the Holy Spirit and God has also blessed us with teachers, anointed and chosen by Him to teach
no one has 100% truth and that is why we take counsel from others and we do our best to divide the word of truth correctly
we have also the gift of discernment, which is honed through study, practice and comparison and it is also a spiritual gift
deception is rampant in this world and will continue to get worse, so it is best to get behind the leader now, Jesus, as He says His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him!
well Jesus has that covered, see?
He says "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. John 14:6
I allow the Holy Spirit to speak through me when I am witnessing and I have to say, He really does bring to my mind what I have 'heard' (read, studied etc)
are you a bit upset? sorry if I am wrong, but you seem a bit upset here...
I will add that God does not hold us accountable anymore. Jesus has paid our debt and it is paid in full. We continue in Him and He keeps us by His Spirit.
He says "I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. John 14:6
I allow the Holy Spirit to speak through me when I am witnessing and I have to say, He really does bring to my mind what I have 'heard' (read, studied etc)
are you a bit upset? sorry if I am wrong, but you seem a bit upset here...
I will add that God does not hold us accountable anymore. Jesus has paid our debt and it is paid in full. We continue in Him and He keeps us by His Spirit.
Salvation is not the end of the line for the believer. We will be judged at the JSOC for the things done in our body whether it be good or bad, according to the word of truth. Our works will be tested by the fire, the word of truth. Our rewards are hanging on our obedience to the word of truth. Would God not give it to us?
No! Anyone can have a deep relationship with God. BUT, the Bible helps us on our journey. I am sure there are those who are not capable of reading, who may have that simple and pure relationship with God.
My husband is not a "reader." But he has persisted in reading the Bible, over the years. And he has a solid relationship with Christ. He is always very excited when God opens up the Scriptures to him.
So I would say that unless we are incapable of reading, for mental or physical reasons, we do need to persist in reading the Bible, daily! Some might need a simpler translation, like the Living Bible or the Good News Bible. I am sure God will teach them how to grow closer to him, and probably improve their reading skills as they do it.
Yes, the way to learn to read better, is to read! And that certainly includes the Bible, or even only the Bible. Or maybe an audio version! (Says the teacher!)
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ok good, I wasn't sure so I asked
salvation is not the end of the line; of course not
I actually am one of those people who don't care about rewards, you now? I figure if the elders can cast their crowns down I certainly don't need merit points
10the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.” Rev 4
God knows how I see it and I don't want a big villa in town either
I'm not sure what it is you are getting at, truthfully
sanctification is a process and we do not sanctify ourselves
salvation is not the end of the line; of course not
I actually am one of those people who don't care about rewards, you now? I figure if the elders can cast their crowns down I certainly don't need merit points
10the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.” Rev 4
God knows how I see it and I don't want a big villa in town either
I'm not sure what it is you are getting at, truthfully
sanctification is a process and we do not sanctify ourselves
ok good, I wasn't sure so I asked
salvation is not the end of the line; of course not
I actually am one of those people who don't care about rewards, you now? I figure if the elders can cast their crowns down I certainly don't need merit points
10the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.” Rev 4
God knows how I see it and I don't want a big villa in town either
I'm not sure what it is you are getting at, truthfully
sanctification is a process and we do not sanctify ourselves
salvation is not the end of the line; of course not
I actually am one of those people who don't care about rewards, you now? I figure if the elders can cast their crowns down I certainly don't need merit points
10the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.” Rev 4
God knows how I see it and I don't want a big villa in town either
I'm not sure what it is you are getting at, truthfully
sanctification is a process and we do not sanctify ourselves
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I think it is fairly clear that the OP is just a Trojan horse.
Peter Jens is just fishing for permission to interpret and redefine the Bible in any way that he sees fit.
He dismissed my post as just intellectualism - a very thin disguise for: don't confuse me with facts.
It is just as obvious that he redefines the meanings of words to suit his arguments.
I took him to task on the meaning of the word grace - once pushed into a corner he grumpily replied that he would not accept the meaning of the word i.e unmerited favour that I gave and stated that he would interpret the word in the way that he wanted to.
Furthermore, in his wild tirades he rants on about hyper-grace, mysticism and other rather odd terms in describing and attacking the doctrine of salvation by faith through grace.
The substance of what he says, an argument it can't be called, is characterised by complete flight of ideas with no coherent link between one point and another.
It is clear rational argument will not sway Peter, or his cohorts for that matter.
I propose, instead, a concerted campaign of prayer to break the strongholds in Peter's life, and others. The Holy Spirit is the only entity that can achieve a breakthrough here.
All these individuals are precious in the sight of God and so let us raise them up to the Lord in prayer.
In the precious name of Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
Peter Jens is just fishing for permission to interpret and redefine the Bible in any way that he sees fit.
He dismissed my post as just intellectualism - a very thin disguise for: don't confuse me with facts.
It is just as obvious that he redefines the meanings of words to suit his arguments.
I took him to task on the meaning of the word grace - once pushed into a corner he grumpily replied that he would not accept the meaning of the word i.e unmerited favour that I gave and stated that he would interpret the word in the way that he wanted to.
Furthermore, in his wild tirades he rants on about hyper-grace, mysticism and other rather odd terms in describing and attacking the doctrine of salvation by faith through grace.
The substance of what he says, an argument it can't be called, is characterised by complete flight of ideas with no coherent link between one point and another.
It is clear rational argument will not sway Peter, or his cohorts for that matter.
I propose, instead, a concerted campaign of prayer to break the strongholds in Peter's life, and others. The Holy Spirit is the only entity that can achieve a breakthrough here.
All these individuals are precious in the sight of God and so let us raise them up to the Lord in prayer.
In the precious name of Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
One point I want to mention about bible interpretation is that:
"Everything in the scriptures is truly stated but not everything is a statement of truth."
For example : Job - The Lord says to Job's 3 friends in chapter 42:7 that they have not spoken what is right about God. So, all the chapters and verses that they talked about God is truly stated in that they did say those things but they are not statements of truth.
For example: John 3:26 - John's disciples said to John that Jesus was baptizing. This is truly stated in the scriptures but it is not a statement of truth. John 4:2 - says that Jesus Himself was not baptizing but that His disciples were. - This is the statement of truth.
Another obvious one is that the serpent in the garden told Eve " You shall not surely die". It is truly stated but it is not a statement of truth.
We need to be aware of this when we read and study the scriptures.
"Everything in the scriptures is truly stated but not everything is a statement of truth."
For example : Job - The Lord says to Job's 3 friends in chapter 42:7 that they have not spoken what is right about God. So, all the chapters and verses that they talked about God is truly stated in that they did say those things but they are not statements of truth.
For example: John 3:26 - John's disciples said to John that Jesus was baptizing. This is truly stated in the scriptures but it is not a statement of truth. John 4:2 - says that Jesus Himself was not baptizing but that His disciples were. - This is the statement of truth.
Another obvious one is that the serpent in the garden told Eve " You shall not surely die". It is truly stated but it is not a statement of truth.
We need to be aware of this when we read and study the scriptures.
Give them the gospel, the book of the law, the bible, as it is written.
We defend the faith of Christ not or own faith as a commentary or private interpretation of His, as the same spirit of faith according as it is written. It alone is God's interpretation to us .It is self teaching as we seek the approval of God according to the commandment .There is no law that says we are to seek the approval when studying God's interpretation of any man.
In fact it warns of of those who would seduce us to believe that we do need a man to teach us. He reveals it is the ideology of the antichrists.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Continue seeking His approval as you do study seeing he is the one who commands us. he would not command us to seek his approval it it was not true.As long as your opinions called heresy does not deny the grace of God we can have his confidence he will continue to teach us to the very end.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
We defend the faith of Christ not or own faith as a commentary or private interpretation of His, as the same spirit of faith according as it is written. It alone is God's interpretation to us .It is self teaching as we seek the approval of God according to the commandment .There is no law that says we are to seek the approval when studying God's interpretation of any man.
In fact it warns of of those who would seduce us to believe that we do need a man to teach us. He reveals it is the ideology of the antichrists.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Continue seeking His approval as you do study seeing he is the one who commands us. he would not command us to seek his approval it it was not true.As long as your opinions called heresy does not deny the grace of God we can have his confidence he will continue to teach us to the very end.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
I see that a little differently. I think it was more in how they stated what they perceived as truth. . The scripture does not say they were not truth in all cases. . It’s like the man in Mathew 7 who offered wonderfull works .He did not say they were not true but how the truth was presented, as if it came from them, as if they were a daysman ( infallible interpreter) set between God and Job..
In John 3, the discussion in respect to the Old testament ceremonial law of baptism of a new priest into the priesthood as to the foundation of water baptism .They knew John was a Levi and was authorized as a officiator seeing Christ was of the tribe of Judah.. After Christ was baptized, he to being a new member of the Levitical priesthood could baptize as he did his own disciples. His disciples were not baptizing it was Christ baptizing them
When therefore the LORD knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) Joh 4:1-2
It a statement of truth that it was a lie . The whole Bible, as the perfect law of God (no theories as oral philosophical traditions of men) is written that way, to be against us as the one reforming authority in any generation.
In John 3, the discussion in respect to the Old testament ceremonial law of baptism of a new priest into the priesthood as to the foundation of water baptism .They knew John was a Levi and was authorized as a officiator seeing Christ was of the tribe of Judah.. After Christ was baptized, he to being a new member of the Levitical priesthood could baptize as he did his own disciples. His disciples were not baptizing it was Christ baptizing them
When therefore the LORD knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) Joh 4:1-2
It a statement of truth that it was a lie . The whole Bible, as the perfect law of God (no theories as oral philosophical traditions of men) is written that way, to be against us as the one reforming authority in any generation.
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