Why is the bible so open to interpretation?

[JaumeJ]

Those who know Jesus Christ know that unbelievers reading the Word will never understand it truly, though they believe they are able to "interpret" it.

What is given to each believer is the understanding that can only be realized by learning from the Holy Spirit.

No man will ever be capable of seiszing the understanding of truth from God; all must receive it.

 

[PeterJens]

I think it is fairly clear that the OP is just a Trojan horse.
Peter Jens is just fishing for permission to interpret and redefine the Bible in any way that he sees fit.
He dismissed my post as just intellectualism - a very thin disguise for: don't confuse me with facts.

A simple observation, you see in scripture what you want to see.
Until you let God speak to your soul and humble before Him it is all worth nothing.

Your accusation shows your own spiritual blindness and sense you have it all sussed.
Why do you think Jesus faced the teachers of the law and astounded them?

They were blind to their own sin and failure, and self congratulated each other.
And their sin, self indulgence and greed.

My problem is to know I see only my failures, not others, know how I see things,
not where I can serve others and bring light into dark places.

It is obvious, many here have their lenses and biases, but refuse to consider a
different perspective because they are certain God is in their view, and satan is
against them.

But the Lords sheep listen to him. So my question is simple.
Is the Lords prayer for you today or not? Is the sermon on the mount life for
you or death?

This is a simple Kingdom issue and where you stand.
You claim the Holy Spirit is on your side. I do not know where you are but
I know your loyalty is not to the words of Jesus, His eternal words.

These are the facts and the spiritual divide, which defines if you follow Christ
or have invented your own religion.

As you align with hyper-grace, the Lord you raise your prayer up to is a distorted
view of the truth, empty and devoid of real power and authority.

And to a blind man such as yourself, the bible is a spiritual book, and based on
where you stand is what you conclude. Only a blind man would conclude there is
only one outcome.

 

[PeterJens]

Don't confuse me with facts.
It is just as obvious that he redefines the meanings of words to suit his arguments.

Emphasis in words is everything. Today is a good day.

You have to decide in your life where your focus is. And there is only one focus that
ultimately matters, Christ.

So how many words of Christ do you know and how much do these words dwell in your
heart. The words are Spirit and Life.

A lot of people lie, and claim they exalt things, when in reality it is just window dressing.

The sermon on the mount is Christs spiritual centre piece. If you dismiss this you dismiss
Christ. So in your high lofty interpretation stakes, scripture is so clear where are you?

 

[PeterJens]

attacking the doctrine of salvation by faith through grace.

This is called distortion. I believe in salvation through Christ by faith alone, demonstrated by a changed life and good works.

The reason why I must be lied about, is because I do not believe in future sin being forgiven.
This is a heretical concept, which supports the idea sin is now irrelevant.

In the whole of theology, one critical failure distorts everything, just 4 words, "future sin is forgiven."

Surely that cannot be important.
1. It is not a scriptural concept, in fact it is the sin Israel always used to justify their behaviour
2. It allows believers to continue in sin and not aspire to the kingdom
3. It changes morality, the role of the law, sacrifices, relationships, repentance, confession
4. It means relationships do not matter, because the ticket is bought

This whole trick is what religion is based upon, not reality or truth, or speaking from the heart.
I literally dooms people to hell and destruction, turning Christs words into futile meaning and
supporting self indulgence, greed, power, success, wealth and health as if Jesus taught this.

And the biggest lie is this is reality and not religion. How deep is satans lies and strategy?
A church so compromised, you cannot even call out obvious sin as sin, because that is condemnation
and evil.

And all of this out of one 4 word concept. All future sin is forgiven

Ezek 18:21 & 24 answers these lies. How dare those who support this heresy claim they know
and walk with the Lord. The lie and bring shame on themselves and judgement.

"But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?"
Ezek 18:21-23


“But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die."
Ezek 18:24

 

[Word_Swordsman]

When studying the word "interpretation" in the Bible, it always involves direct revelation from God, added to study of his scriptures. It isn't for man to do his interpreting, else Daniel would likely have been beheaded that very first visit with the king and that dream. There are not multiple interpretations for any one scripture, but there could be many peculiar applications to life.

[FONT=&quot]Prov 1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.[/FONT]

 

[TonyJay]

Peter, you aren't going to rid of me that easily - I am going to pray for you every day.

 

[PeterJens]

Peter, you aren't going to rid of me that easily - I am going to pray for you every day.

Tony - You believe in your theological position.

As I am taking the traditional evangelical view of faith, where are you?
Can you answer my question about your view of the sermon on the mount?

I will have much more respect for you and your position, if you are not a dispensationalist
who follows the Latter rain heresy. Otherwise you demonstrate what I am saying.

By the way I cannot love you as the Father loves you if you are not open and honest about
your position. Do you want me to believe a lie about you?

 

[PeterJens]

Everything that does not come from faith is sin. Rom 14:23

Two concepts here is isolation do not go together.
Everything, is the universe and all that is within and without, including God.

But these things exist outside of faith, faith is a belief of how we fit into
the world.

This means the word everything must mean everything that is deemed to not
be good within faith is sin. So if you believe something is bad, and faith does
not free you from it, it is bad.

Now people do this linguistically all the time, use a generic all encompasing word
that in context is very specific because the other alternative is ludicrous.

But here we have christians saying the isolated ludicrous meaning is the truth.
It is because people want desperately to define things simply and exclude anything
they are unsure about with a simple marker.

Scripture though is full of contradictions where the explanation is missing.

Psalm 14
All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good,
not even one.
Psalm 14:3

But there they are, overwhelmed with dread, for God is present in the company of the righteous.
Psalm 14:6

How can all have turned away yet there are righteous?
There is no explanation, the reader has to find the resolution themselves.

What is my point? It is up to the reader to interpret, it is not provided.
The interpretation tests both your morality, and position of your heart.

 

[PeterJens]

Dear reader, Tony is silent, that speaks volumes to me.

One way you know you walk with the Lord is because you can be in
someone elses head and it causes you no problems.

I could accept Jesus does everything and we just have faith, but it is
neither in scripture or peoples lives. What I do know is abiding sin, and
compromise. So to read in this view into failure resolves the emotional
tension. What I know of human nature is people will do anything to create
emotional resolution, and will justify it to themselves.

Jesus said, repent, follow, obey, put into practice.

So who should I believe, appeasers of guilt and emotional tension or Jesus?

I know who are men and who is God, my Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

I hope no one thinks when I leave the chat that speaks volumes. Many times, living in Spain, it is my bed time. During my day time, I sometimes nap once even twice in a day. I sincerely hope this does not speak volumes either. Poeple become silen for many reasons, even to have a meal.

We must allow for others. They may be praying for us.........We all can use a good word from family to our Father all of the time.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ.........amen TYFFTW

 

[FlSnookman7]

Dear reader, Tony is silent, that speaks volumes to me.

One way you know you walk with the Lord is because you can be in
someone elses head and it causes you no problems.

I could accept Jesus does everything and we just have faith, but it is
neither in scripture or peoples lives. What I do know is abiding sin, and
compromise. So to read in this view into failure resolves the emotional
tension. What I know of human nature is people will do anything to create
emotional resolution, and will justify it to themselves.

Jesus said, repent, follow, obey, put into practice.

So who should I believe, appeasers of guilt and emotional tension or Jesus?

I know who are men and who is God, my Lord.

Sadly your inability or decision not to properly divide the Word keeps you from seeing the Truth. The rcc wants it's members blindly following what it's priests say so they can keep control. The gospel Jesus gave paul is about freedom. Also to think because someone may have a life other than posting here and use that as a way to falsely "win" an argument or discussion here is at best childish. I too will continue to pray for you that your eyes be opened to the Truth.

 

[PeterJens]

I hope no one thinks when I leave the chat that speaks volumes. Many times, living in Spain, it is my bed time. During my day time, I sometimes nap once even twice in a day. I sincerely hope this does not speak volumes either. Poeple become silen for many reasons, even to have a meal.

We must allow for others. They may be praying for us.........We all can use a good word from family to our Father all of the time.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ.........amen TYFFTW

You are right, but I am not exactly asking for a minor issue here and Tony implied I was
trying to get rid of him.

What I do find interesting is why people hold a certain position or not.
And these positions are not neutral. Saying a persons who grows to hate God
should now walk into heaven because at some point they loved God makes no sense.

Now I would love to be passive and just not be provocative, yet the subject is taking
the Lords words and warnings and making them nothing.

God is harder, the 10 women waiting for wedding, 5 are ready by 5 are not and get left out.
Why did the Lord put in so many warnings? Because people always want to compromise.

 

[PeterJens]

Sadly your inability or decision not to properly divide the Word keeps you from seeing the Truth. The rcc wants it's members blindly following what it's priests say so they can keep control. The gospel Jesus gave paul is about freedom. Also to think because someone may have a life other than posting here and use that as a way to falsely "win" an argument or discussion here is at best childish. I too will continue to pray for you that your eyes be opened to the Truth.

So you also think Jesus's words are empty. I am not a catholic, but a baptist.

Can you answer the question, do you respect the sermon on the mount?
Is the Lords prayer yours or not?

This is a simply yes or no. I understand the theology behind no, and I regard it as heresy.

Grace7 argument is saying these "truths" upsets the religious. I would be happy you go and
form your own church, it is just not traditional christian faith and you cannot even defend
your extreme theology and dismissing who Jesus was and what He said.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Again your inability to properly divide the Word holds you back.

 

[PeterJens]

Why they are so scared of the sermon on the mount?

Because it condemns them, just as it condemned the hypocracy of the pharisees.
And they stay silent because they know the christian community would rise up and condemn them.

They are so blind, they do not know or understand the Kingdom of Heaven and how we walk.

They were once legalists and miss-understood Jesus, and this new Jesus they have made is no different.
The words do not change but the meaning they read in does. Which is why understanding interpretation
and how you heart filters out meaning to keep you happy.

Jesus says this

In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving."
Matt 13:14

 

[PeterJens]

Again your inability to properly divide the Word holds you back.

Thankyou for your answer, HG follower.

What you are holding to is simple brain washing, not willing to argue or question the points
you hold to. And the authority by which you dismiss Jesus, your Lord, so you claim is what?
Your legalistic/grace lens based on hyper-legalism.

God will truly call you an evil-doer and condemn you as failed and lost. I doubt you will
ever change, because when you sin and are aware of it, it should bring you to
repentance but you now live with as acceptable, which is to make you an enemy of the
Lord, searing your conscience so you no longer even blink as you commit sin.

What staggars me, completely, is in this state you feel yourself spiritually mature
and superior and look down on me as if I am lost. Only the enemy could create such
hypocracy and turning evil good and good evil.

I know the Lord can do nothing to bring you to your senses because the very thing
that would, your conscience, you feel is satan. Even when judgement falls on you,
you will be so confused, empty and just collapse.

I pity you, truly, a man bereft of any help or real salvation while believing everything
is secure.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Thankyou for your answer, HG follower.

What you are holding to is simple brain washing, not willing to argue or question the points
you hold to. And the authority by which you dismiss Jesus, your Lord, so you claim is what?
Your legalistic/grace lens based on hyper-legalism.

God will truly call you an evil-doer and condemn you as failed and lost. I doubt you will
ever change, because when you sin and are aware of it, it should bring you to
repentance but you now live with as acceptable, which is to make you an enemy of the
Lord, searing your conscience so you no longer even blink as you commit sin.

What staggars me, completely, is in this state you feel yourself spiritually mature
and superior and look down on me as if I am lost. Only the enemy could create such
hypocracy and turning evil good and good evil.

I know the Lord can do nothing to bring you to your senses because the very thing
that would, your conscience, you feel is satan. Even when judgement falls on you,
you will be so confused, empty and just collapse.

I pity you, truly, a man bereft of any help or real salvation while believing everything
is secure.

I neither look down on you nor call you names. Your own words show your lack of properly dividing the Word. If this angers you to the point where you must call me names perhaps you should ask yourself why you are so angry.

 

[PeterJens]

I neither look down on you nor call you names. Your own words show your lack of properly dividing the Word. If this angers you to the point where you must call me names perhaps you should ask yourself why you are so angry.

The funny thing is yes it is frustrating to not be engaged or answered.
I am not calling you names, I am merely stating the reality of where this theology
leads to. What is staggering is the idea it makes sense.

And you silence say I am right.

 

[PeterJens]

I will have to look into why you all reject the sermon on the mount and then
present why this fails in simple theology.

Ofcourse you believe it is a valid rejection, but that is not because of a view
of morality but hyper-legalism and the accusation it was only given to condemn
the self righteous rather than show the right way of living.

It is like a crowd who are looking for any excuse to be let off the hook to
behave how they like or at least feel ok about their guilt.

Now I know this is your position and emotional logic,

 

[gb9]

The funny thing is yes it is frustrating to not be engaged or answered.
I am not calling you names, I am merely stating the reality of where this theology
leads to. What is staggering is the idea it makes sense.

And you silence say I am right.

no peter, our silence says we are tired of proving you wrong, trying to get you to see that you have an errord works-based theology, and you refuse to see it. like you reject the Biblical definition of sin.

hopefully one day you will see that myself and others are trying to be helpful, not hurtful. but at this point your pride will not let you see this.