Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh
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I would agree grace is indivisible. All of the grace needed for us to acquire our salvation was earned by Christ's work of faith.according to His labor of love.And therefore not of ourselves in any way shape or form .
It reminds me of the division of sin that the Catholic must make because they say Christ did not finish what he came to do And rather gave a unknown remnant of grace and not the full amount needed to give us eternal life. They call that doctrine of men; "venial and mortal". So that they can continual to work to gain salvation according to their flesh,(not work out the grace he has freely given)with no cost on our behalf ... for another unknown amount of time and severity of a work of suffering.
The gift must match the wage which is eternal never to come to new spirit life forever more.
It would seem some follow the wrong kind of hype of the fleshly kind.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
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Lauren - You are accusing people of lying. Sincere people do not lie. So you should be more careful.
BenFTW was expounding on future sins forgiven, and the consequences of that belief.
Unfortunately though you may not accept it, it creates a different view of faith and our walk in Christ
in practice.
Now in our explorations with different believers they believed in hyper-legalism, taking the concept
of sin and making it impossible to not continually break.
Now all these faith positions are held or refuted by different believers.
It is not more complex than this.
For instance if I say I can walk in righteousness and purity, someone will say that is only
true because I define sin wrongly as happened this morning, lol.
BenFTW was expounding on future sins forgiven, and the consequences of that belief.
Unfortunately though you may not accept it, it creates a different view of faith and our walk in Christ
in practice.
Now in our explorations with different believers they believed in hyper-legalism, taking the concept
of sin and making it impossible to not continually break.
Now all these faith positions are held or refuted by different believers.
It is not more complex than this.
For instance if I say I can walk in righteousness and purity, someone will say that is only
true because I define sin wrongly as happened this morning, lol.
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It's okay holly. Let's just ignore what is not beneficial to us and forgive and be forgiven.
I have been enjoying our conversation and the Spirit helped us and we can go on walking in love and having good conversation that helps us!
I have been enjoying our conversation and the Spirit helped us and we can go on walking in love and having good conversation that helps us!
Sincere people, having a sincere discussion, concerning sincere matters of Scripture, whose opinions differ one from another, are not often accepted with sincere Christian love and humility. There is a long History of that on CC, and pretty much any other Site in existence that I am aware of.
(just saying)
(just saying)
What exactly do you mean? Do you mean we are not to judge at all, or that just we won't make the final judgement on someone? If you are saying we as Christians are not to ever judge anything in any way then I strongly disagree, first off if you didn't ever judge at all you would be forever frozen in your own house crippled by an inability to do anything because of lack of the ability to choose, second what are we to do with John 7:24 where Jesus Himself tells us to "[FONT="]Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"?[/FONT]
Don't you wish we could just have conversation and grow by each others thoughts on Him and His Word?
I learn a lot just by the way the Holy Spirit guides our conversation and gives each of us a gift to share with each other.
I get very weary sometimes by how we run around being nasty to each other. We wouldn't even allow our OWN children to speak the way we speak to each other, with such arrogance and ungraciousness.
I have learned so MUCH by what He has given to each of us to share!
I learn a lot just by the way the Holy Spirit guides our conversation and gives each of us a gift to share with each other.
I get very weary sometimes by how we run around being nasty to each other. We wouldn't even allow our OWN children to speak the way we speak to each other, with such arrogance and ungraciousness.
I have learned so MUCH by what He has given to each of us to share!
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Matt 5:3-5
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
2 Tim 2:15
My mouth speaks what is true, for my lips detest wickedness.
Prov 8:7
Righteousness guards the person of integrity, but wickedness overthrows the sinner.
Prov 13:6
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Matt 5:3-5
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
2 Tim 2:15
My mouth speaks what is true, for my lips detest wickedness.
Prov 8:7
Righteousness guards the person of integrity, but wickedness overthrows the sinner.
Prov 13:6
We fall so easily into letting our flesh get stirred up.
Let's not be unaware of how this spirit of strife abuses us and gets us to stop walking in the love and forgiveness we received, freely giving to others what we ourselves have been given.
Just say no to this spirit of strife.
He makes us stumble far too often!
Ignore whatever is not beneficial to us by growing our trust. Because that IS the race set before us. The race of faith!
Let's not be unaware of how this spirit of strife abuses us and gets us to stop walking in the love and forgiveness we received, freely giving to others what we ourselves have been given.
Just say no to this spirit of strife.
He makes us stumble far too often!
Ignore whatever is not beneficial to us by growing our trust. Because that IS the race set before us. The race of faith!
I would agree we are not judge one another but we must evaluate. If a person claims to be a Christian we have a respeonsibillty to try and commune as if they are .Christ does all the convicting and makes the adjustments .He will sort out the lambs form the goats in the end of the matter.
Only God can see into a persons heart as they in the silent mediation make their request known.
What prayer and supplication soever be made by any man, or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every man the plague of his own heart, and spread forth his hands toward this house:Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men 1Ki 8:38
Only God can see into a persons heart as they in the silent mediation make their request known.
What prayer and supplication soever be made by any man, or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every man the plague of his own heart, and spread forth his hands toward this house:Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men
1Ki 8:38Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
Rev 12:10
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
1 Peter 5:8
But you, Lord, are a shield around me, my glory, the One who lifts my head high.
Psalm 3:3
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Matt 5:6
Rev 12:10
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
1 Peter 5:8
But you, Lord, are a shield around me, my glory, the One who lifts my head high.
Psalm 3:3
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Matt 5:6
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And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:34
it's not God who does not forgive; it is people who do not understand their obligation in the Lord to forgive as they have been forgiven
if you have repented...changed your mind...confessed your sins, whatever you want to call it, God is faithful and just and He forgives you
you don't have to grovel and you don't have to pour ashes on your head and you especially do not have to condemn everyone else if they say what I just said and you think that somehow your fleshy acts are holy in the sight of God...they are not
in most cases, they are most likely insulting
can you improve on the sinless Son of God dying for the sin of the world?
Psalm 103:12 says God removes our sins as far as the east is from the west
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
now that is who I am going to listen to, who I am going to pray to and who I go to when I need to 'repent'
I now have some of you on ignore due to the nature of your posts, so. if that is you, that will be why I don't defend myself or respond to you any longer
it's not God who does not forgive; it is people who do not understand their obligation in the Lord to forgive as they have been forgiven
if you have repented...changed your mind...confessed your sins, whatever you want to call it, God is faithful and just and He forgives you
you don't have to grovel and you don't have to pour ashes on your head and you especially do not have to condemn everyone else if they say what I just said and you think that somehow your fleshy acts are holy in the sight of God...they are not
in most cases, they are most likely insulting
can you improve on the sinless Son of God dying for the sin of the world?
Psalm 103:12 says God removes our sins as far as the east is from the west
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
now that is who I am going to listen to, who I am going to pray to and who I go to when I need to 'repent'
I now have some of you on ignore due to the nature of your posts, so. if that is you, that will be why I don't defend myself or respond to you any longer
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Here is a paragraph from the op
This thread has been so badly derailed by personal agendas and drama queen behavior, that I think some here have not read the op but have taken the thread over because that is what they do
There is so much more than meets the eye when it comes to repentance. It is tainted with religion and self righteousness. It tries to acknowledge Jesus, but treats His blood as if common. Incapable of doing that which God set out to do. Granting us forgiveness, taking our sins away and justifying us before God. Jesus being able as our High Priest to save us completely. All of this is tossed aside for a concept of repentance that deals with sin confession as if it maintains salvation. That is where people should truly repent. Change your mind about sin confession for forgiveness because it misses the mark that is Christ Jesus on that cross paying for your sins. You are forgiven, it is not something you seek. It is found in Christ.
This thread has been so badly derailed by personal agendas and drama queen behavior, that I think some here have not read the op but have taken the thread over because that is what they do
There is so much more than meets the eye when it comes to repentance. It is tainted with religion and self righteousness. It tries to acknowledge Jesus, but treats His blood as if common. Incapable of doing that which God set out to do. Granting us forgiveness, taking our sins away and justifying us before God. Jesus being able as our High Priest to save us completely. All of this is tossed aside for a concept of repentance that deals with sin confession as if it maintains salvation. That is where people should truly repent. Change your mind about sin confession for forgiveness because it misses the mark that is Christ Jesus on that cross paying for your sins. You are forgiven, it is not something you seek. It is found in Christ.