Two Camps... rules & grace
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Duet 27: [SUP]26 [/SUP]‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’
Gal 3: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
So tell us, How well are you at keeping this standard as REQUIRED by God? (ps I can highlights words too
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Gal 3: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
So tell us, How well are you at keeping this standard as REQUIRED by God? (ps I can highlights words too
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"Works of the law" = trying to say it is for salvation
I do what I can, resting on Sabbaths, no buy or sell or do physical work that can and should be done the other six days. Love actions are emphasised, including not just others, but emphasizing my love for God and reading His word, sometimes I spend my Sabbath alone, but don't ever have to, for there are many Torah Observant Christians in my area. My friends and family who are not Torah Observant respect my choices. I very seldom am invited to eat foods like pork, catfish and shellfish. Although restaurants on every corner of this city sell catfish and pork. Can we say Babylon? Like Daniel and His 3 hebrew friends? I do hook up with Feast observing friends, although I have not yet experienced Feast of Sukkot.
I believe these 3 things, Sabbaths, Lords Feasts, and dietary INSTRUCTIONS are for ever, and can be done no matter where I live (except Saudi Arabia....not do openly). I am learning God's instructions each week. I feel no condemnation for desiring to practice these three things. I am Grace Dependent, but surely blessed. No one was ever cursed for obedience, before the commandments were written on our hearts.
Gotta run. I host my family's meal every Thursday. I am so blessed. Shalom.
The Jews back in Paul's day had a zeal for God's law just like those trying to get Christians to go back to the Law for life and abandon Christ and commit spiritual adultery.
Romans 10:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
If people are going to live by the Law of Moses - they must keep every law and to break one is to break them all. No sacrifices is breaking the law of Moses.
Romans 10:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
If people are going to live by the Law of Moses - they must keep every law and to break one is to break them all. No sacrifices is breaking the law of Moses.
J
anyone ever read about the church of Pergamos? it was one of the early 1st generation churches. however this church had a big falling away. they were into some pretty weird things. among these was ritual sex acts that involved prostitution and orgies. why and how would these followers of Jesus ever get involved in such things? they justified it by claiming that Jesus liberated them from the law.
so -- not if doing these things would bring you tribulation?
but like Daniel, you say. heh.
it is true what is written, "boasting is excluded"
all, right?
forever?
even what He said to Noah?
that's part of a covenant too, you know. one which was never broken -- but i know another covenant, which was. and i know a third covenant -- which cannot be broken.
[HR][/HR]
i believe there are "two camps" -- but they are not the two camps the OP puts.
there are the children of God, who is the Wife of the Lamb, and there is everyone else.
those who have been sealed by God, and those who have not. who have His name written on their hands and foreheads. who have been given the earnest of His Spirit, which guarantees an inheritance ((unless God ceases to be God)).
there are those who have been sanctified forever by one perfect sacrifice, and who are being made holy -- and there are those who have another mark on their hands and heads.
here's the question i have for you two:
will God fail to complete the work He began?
((i.e. -- do you really think you have a good reason to be questioning the chastity of the betrothed virgin Bride of the Lord?))
[HR][/HR]
the scripture says that the one who does no work at all, but who believes in the One who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
do we believe this?
it doesn't really matter if we believe this. it is true.
but like Daniel, you say. heh.
it is true what is written, "boasting is excluded"
all, right?
forever?
even what He said to Noah?
Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you;
I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.
(Genesis 9:3)
I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.
(Genesis 9:3)
that's part of a covenant too, you know. one which was never broken -- but i know another covenant, which was. and i know a third covenant -- which cannot be broken.
[HR][/HR]
i believe there are "two camps" -- but they are not the two camps the OP puts.
there are the children of God, who is the Wife of the Lamb, and there is everyone else.
those who have been sealed by God, and those who have not. who have His name written on their hands and foreheads. who have been given the earnest of His Spirit, which guarantees an inheritance ((unless God ceases to be God)).
there are those who have been sanctified forever by one perfect sacrifice, and who are being made holy -- and there are those who have another mark on their hands and heads.
here's the question i have for you two:
will God fail to complete the work He began?
((i.e. -- do you really think you have a good reason to be questioning the chastity of the betrothed virgin Bride of the Lord?))
[HR][/HR]
the scripture says that the one who does no work at all, but who believes in the One who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
do we believe this?
it doesn't really matter if we believe this. it is true.
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What about the camp GOD HIMSELF CAUSE to walk in His statutes? Can they EVER fall or stumble or even sin in thought?
IF so then God does not CAUSE well!And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jesus said there are two folds (groups of sheep) that would be one, maybe you should think a bit on that one... Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
IF so then God does not CAUSE well!And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jesus said there are two folds (groups of sheep) that would be one, maybe you should think a bit on that one... Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.