The wages of sin is death...
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Go to Texas and kill someone...they will "kill you back"....they have an "express lane" for people that are proven killers....they don't stay long on death row in Texas.
Steal from 7/11 and you go to jail.
Commit adultery and see the mess it makes of your family.
There are earthly consequences to sinning......when we walk in God's love that is poured in our hearts by the Holy Spirit ( Romans 5:5 ) - we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to fulfill "it's" desires.
So, let's walk by the Spirit and awake to righteousness that is in us in Christ in our inner man created in righteousness and holiness.
Steal from 7/11 and you go to jail.
Commit adultery and see the mess it makes of your family.
There are earthly consequences to sinning......when we walk in God's love that is poured in our hearts by the Holy Spirit ( Romans 5:5 ) - we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to fulfill "it's" desires.
So, let's walk by the Spirit and awake to righteousness that is in us in Christ in our inner man created in righteousness and holiness.
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J
You talk about the physical consequences... but what about the psychological and spiritual consequences. Is repentance not a requirement of salvation? Is not works not evidence of or denial of that repentance? We are saved by grace but that salvation actually does have qualifying conditions, as free as it is.
Yes walk by the spirit and do the works that testify to your salvation.
You
Yes walk by the spirit and do the works that testify to your salvation.
You
T
That is an unbelievably contradictory sentence!
Grace, by definition is unmerited and undeserved favour.
If there are qualifying conditions to obtain something then that process cannot be by grace.
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[c] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. (Rom 11:6)
Grace, by definition is unmerited and undeserved favour.
If there are qualifying conditions to obtain something then that process cannot be by grace.
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[c] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. (Rom 11:6)
T
Obedience to what?
A covenant to which we are no longer bound?
A covenant of which Christ Jesus has already fulfilled all the righteous requirements through the blood that He shed on the cross?
Or, a new covenant that explicitly frees us from the demands of the Levitical laws that are the outworkings of the Mosaic covenant?
A covenant that calls us to works and deeds that cannot be of the law because the law cannot legislate those actions?
Which covenant disciplemike?
If you are under the covenant of Moses then you cannot be part of the New covenant.
The blood of Jesus is lost to you.
You are seeking righteousness through the law, by works, by your own merit.
Jesus Christ, the cross, His blood shed on the cross, the righteousness to be found by grace through faith has no place here.
Failure on one article of the law finds one guilty on all points - there are no exceptions for you disciplemike.
The cross cannot save you if you are placing your faith in the law.
The Council of Jerusalem (recorded in Acts) specifically rejects the proposal that the only way to be a Christian is to be a practicing Jew - absolutely and unequivocally!
The law may be righteous and just and good, in itself, but all it will do for you is to condemn you.
A covenant to which we are no longer bound?
A covenant of which Christ Jesus has already fulfilled all the righteous requirements through the blood that He shed on the cross?
Or, a new covenant that explicitly frees us from the demands of the Levitical laws that are the outworkings of the Mosaic covenant?
A covenant that calls us to works and deeds that cannot be of the law because the law cannot legislate those actions?
Which covenant disciplemike?
If you are under the covenant of Moses then you cannot be part of the New covenant.
The blood of Jesus is lost to you.
You are seeking righteousness through the law, by works, by your own merit.
Jesus Christ, the cross, His blood shed on the cross, the righteousness to be found by grace through faith has no place here.
Failure on one article of the law finds one guilty on all points - there are no exceptions for you disciplemike.
The cross cannot save you if you are placing your faith in the law.
The Council of Jerusalem (recorded in Acts) specifically rejects the proposal that the only way to be a Christian is to be a practicing Jew - absolutely and unequivocally!
The law may be righteous and just and good, in itself, but all it will do for you is to condemn you.
J
Do not blame me for contradictions in the bible... IF we confess our sins He is faithful and just to frgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. . IF my people who are called by My name shall humble themselves and confess their sins and turn from their wicked ways THEN shall I hear from heaven and forgive their sins heal their land.
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to com
Qualifications abound to receive Gods grace.
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to com
Qualifications abound to receive Gods grace.
Do you understand that the covenant at Mt. Sinai was a marriage covenant?
Do you understand that God never broke the covenant?
God is going to take back His wife, Israel.
This is what that "marriage supper of the Lamb" is about.
It is like this - God divorced the northern kingdom of Israel, because she was unfaithful and would not obey Him.
Some people think that God is going to now take the "church" as His wife, and give her no rules at all to live by.
It is madness to even think such.
God will re-marry His wife Israel, who is the church, and always has been the church. Gentiles are just afforded the awesome opportunity to be grafted into Israel, and be partakers of the inheritance!
Do you understand that God never broke the covenant?
God is going to take back His wife, Israel.
This is what that "marriage supper of the Lamb" is about.
It is like this - God divorced the northern kingdom of Israel, because she was unfaithful and would not obey Him.
Some people think that God is going to now take the "church" as His wife, and give her no rules at all to live by.
It is madness to even think such.
God will re-marry His wife Israel, who is the church, and always has been the church. Gentiles are just afforded the awesome opportunity to be grafted into Israel, and be partakers of the inheritance!
Hi TonyJay,
Since disciplemike believes that Israel has always been the church, maybe he could explain the following:
"I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."
The word "Build" in the verse above is in the future tense, as in, not built yet from the time Christ spoke it. If Israel was already the church, would he have not said I will "rebuild" or "restore" my church? Disciplemike, along with many others, needs to understand that Israel and the church are two individual entities. Israel is the nation Israel proper and the church is made up of both Jew and Gentile who are not under the law. Israel however, because they did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah, consider themselves as still being under the law. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, just as you and many other Gentiles do. That is what the seventieth seven is all about, which will be fulfilled when that antichrist makes his seven year covenant. The church on the other hand will have been caught up to the Father's house before the beginning of the seven years period.
Since disciplemike believes that Israel has always been the church, maybe he could explain the following:
"I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."
The word "Build" in the verse above is in the future tense, as in, not built yet from the time Christ spoke it. If Israel was already the church, would he have not said I will "rebuild" or "restore" my church? Disciplemike, along with many others, needs to understand that Israel and the church are two individual entities. Israel is the nation Israel proper and the church is made up of both Jew and Gentile who are not under the law. Israel however, because they did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah, consider themselves as still being under the law. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, just as you and many other Gentiles do. That is what the seventieth seven is all about, which will be fulfilled when that antichrist makes his seven year covenant. The church on the other hand will have been caught up to the Father's house before the beginning of the seven years period.
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And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my *church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18 (KJV, MBM)
*G1577 ekklesia (ek-klay-see'-ah) n.
1.(properly) a "calling out"
2. (concretely) a called out assembly of citizens
This is he, that was in the *church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Acts 7:38 (KJV, MBM)
*G1577 ekklesia (ek-klay-see'-ah) n.
1.(properly) a "calling out"
2. (concretely) a called out assembly of citizens
God has One people. God's people is called Israel. (not all of the blood-line of Israel is Israel).
But make no mistake, God has One people. One body, not two. One Spirit. One hope. One faith. One baptism.