Pros and Cons Speaking in Tongues

[Grace777x70]

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Slapping is not the order connected with the notion of tongues today . Falling back, slain in the Spirit is by someone putting their hand on the forehead . Falling back simply mean a person is under the judgement of God.

When the Romans came to arrest Jesus - He said "I am" and they fell back the power of the Holy Spirit in Him. Some people do fall back from the power of the Holy Spirit.

Some just fall on their own too but they are just baby Christians mimicking things. But to completely dismiss it as being legitimate is not wise.

John 18:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

 

[RickyZ]

Have you ever been in a situation where people start laughing and then other people start laughing for no reason?

Here is a youtube video of it. It's hilarious. It does happen....laughter and joy are a sign of the kingdom of God.....

[video=youtube;kHnRIAVXTMQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHnRIAVXTMQ[/video]

Laughter spreads like a yawn does

 

[UnderGrace]

I fail to see the connection of laughing and the joy of the spirit here.

We may laugh in response to an event, and it may even be a joyful laugh.

These are all event driven laughters, I see no instance here where joy manifests itself as laughter apart from a response to a specific event.

It is definitely not listed as a fruit of the Spirit.

I have been in services where the joy of the Lord was there and people were laughing. It is totally legitimate. I have never heard of it called a gift of the Holy Spirit though.

Certainly there are people that try to mimic this joy in the Lord and do some things in the flesh but it doesn't negate the reality of the true joy of the Lord and it does manifest itself sometimes in laughter.

Joy is a fruit of the Spirit within us. The kingdom of God is with us and Paul says that righteousness and joy and peace are a part of it.

Job 8:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "He will yet fill your mouth with laughter And your lips with shouting.

Psalm 126:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] When the LORD turned again the captivity of Zion, we were like them that dream.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] Then was our mouth filled with laughter, and our tongue with singing: then said they among the heathen, The LORD hath done great things for them.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] The LORD hath done great things for us; whereof we are glad.

The Lord Himself loves to laugh.

Psalm 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He who sits in the heavens laughs, The Lord scoffs at them.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes and they were not believers.

When the Romans came to arrest Jesus - He said "I am" and they fell back the power of the Holy Spirit in Him. Some people do fall back from the power of the Holy Spirit.

Some just fall on their own too but they are just baby Christians mimicking things. But to completely dismiss it as being legitimate is not wise.

John 18:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

 

[Utah]

Personally I speak in tongues every day and it does edify ourselves as a Christian. There is a personal devotional side of tongues where your spirit prays to the Lord and you speak "mysteries" to Him.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.


Here we can see that it is our spirit that is praying and the person activates with his will this devotional praying with his spirit or with his mind. verse 15


1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

There is also a tongues and interpretation which is used mostly in the church assembly setting and it is as the Spirit of God wills and not us. This type of "tongues" is used to edify or build up the church. 1 Cor. 14:5, 26-27

Tongues plus interpretation of tongues when being used to build up believers other then ourselves is the same as prophecy. Here is what prophecy is supposed to do.

1 Corinthians 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

Tongues is also used as a sign to unbelievers as well.

Tongues are not one-dimensional.

All too often I see arrogance from folks who have the gift of tongues, and for the life of me I can not figure out why the arrogance exists. Once again, brother, you have shared your insight and your gift in a truly Christ-like manner for all too see. I am truly happy for you. May we learn from your example and be edifide to the glory of God.

 

[garee]

When the Romans came to arrest Jesus - He said "I am" and they fell back the power of the Holy Spirit in Him. Some people do fall back from the power of the Holy Spirit.

Some just fall on their own too but they are just baby Christians mimicking things. But to completely dismiss it as being legitimate is not wise.

John 18:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Yes falling back is used that way. We can see it in the example of not including the tribe of Dan as a member of the bride of Christ. The uses of the word serpent indicates they are bring a false gospel.

Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Judas was used in the same way according to your example .Twelve is not number word God was seeking after to represent his bride the church. Another example...using turned back and falling.

Psa 9:3 When mine enemies are turned back, they shall fall and perish at thy presence.

 

[Utah]

I don't see where ANY0NE is stating tongues is the greatest gift

check the op...it's not about how to put together a child's swing set

it's about tongues

all Christians need discernment...but I don't say oh goody when someone says they have this gift or that gift

I prefer to use discernment and see how it goes...further, anybody can say anything on a forum

the gifts are supposed to be for the building up of the body of Christ...ie believers

you know, it just really irritates me to read where you state everybody who desires to speak in tongues desires the limelight that goes with that gift

what limelight?

there is no limelight associated with speaking in tongues whatsoever...

sometimes all you want to do when you read stuff like the above is shake your head and go swimming or something

And go swimming or something. Lol.

 

[Utah]

Can you prove it?

??????????

 

[Marcelo]

If the gift of tongues is genuine, there are only pros; and if it is fake, there are only cons.

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes falling back is used that way. We can see it in the example of not including the tribe of Dan as a member of the bride of Christ. The uses of the word serpent indicates they are bring a false gospel.

Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Judas was used in the same way according to your example .Twelve is not number word God was seeking after to represent his bride the church. Another example...using turned back and falling.

Psa 9:3 When mine enemies are turned back, they shall fall and perish at thy presence.

And then there was Paul and all the others with him when he fell down in the power of the Holy Spirit when Jesus revealed Himself to him. This falling down is physically falling on the ground from encountering the power of God.

Acts 26:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'

 

[Grace777x70]

All too often I see arrogance from folks who have the gift of tongues, and for the life of me I can not figure out why the arrogance exists. Once again, brother, you have shared your insight and your gift in a truly Christ-like manner for all too see. I am truly happy for you. May we learn from your example and be edifide to the glory of God.

Thank you for your kind words ( Am I free now to cut you off on the Jersey Turnpike?... )

I too have seen people think "tongues" as if that made them superior to other Christians - those are just baby Christians being babies. They are still in their diapers and they will grow up if they grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ.

 

[RickyZ]

And that is in itself a measure of discernment... the gifts are more genuine in those who are more humble.

 

[notuptome]

Simple Definition of ecstatic

• : very happy or excited : feeling or showing ecstasy

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

They are neither. They are utterances of the Holy Spirit, Who speaks to things we know nothing of.

So for you they are not human languages? How does that equate with Acts 2?

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 ¶ And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is another one. John fell down as a dead man when encountering the power of God in Revelation 1:17. In Matt. 17:6 John, James and Peter fell down to the ground when the father spoke to them on the mount of transfiguration.

When the power of God hits our flesh - something has to give and it's not going to be the power of God. I have been in the presence of the Lord's power and believe me you cannot move. But His love was the most overwhelming aspect of His presence. The immense power emanating from His love is indescribable and immobilizing at the same time. He is awesome and mighty in so many ways.

 

[Grace777x70]

It appears there are human languages and angelic languages. There have been literally thousands of different languages and dialects throughout the history of man - who knows anything about angelic languages? People can be speaking any number of these languages through the Holy Spirit within them.

If we try to figure this out with our natural reasoning - this will be all foolishness to us and our natural minds - we cannot interpret the scriptures using our natural reasoning - it must be revealed by the Holy Spirit alone.

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

 

[RickyZ]

So for you they are not human languages? How does that equate with Acts 2?

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 ¶ And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If you refused to understand it the first million times it was explained to you, I'm pretty sure you'll refuse to understand it now.

 

[notuptome]

It appears there are human languages and angelic languages. There have been literally thousands of different languages and dialects throughout the history of man - who knows anything about angelic languages? People can be speaking any number of these languages through the Holy Spirit within them.

If we try to figure this out with our natural reasoning - this will be all foolishness to us and our natural minds - we cannot interpret the scriptures using our natural reasoning - it must be revealed by the Holy Spirit alone.

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

In context it should be clear that there is no such thing as angelic languages. Paul is using hyperbole not literal language here.

There is no record in scripture of angels ever speaking in any language other than human languages.

Interesting that mankind went from one single language to literally thousands as a result of Gods judgment at Babel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

If you refused to understand it the first million times it was explained to you, I'm pretty sure you'll refuse to understand it now.

You cannot align your practice with scripture?

What do you have against Acts 2? You do believe Acts 2?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Grace777x70]

In context it should be clear that there is no such thing as angelic languages. Paul is using hyperbole not literal language here.

There is no record in scripture of angels ever speaking in any language other than human languages.

Interesting that mankind went from one single language to literally thousands as a result of Gods judgment at Babel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

That's what your natural mind is telling you that it is hyperbole. Is Paul talking about a literal language when he say " Though "I" speak with the tongues of men...?..of course not - neither is he talking about a hypothetical angelic languages.

We pick what we want to believe out of a passage to suit our pre-conceived ideas. Yours is there is no more tongues so in your mind you need to make excuses for scripture that refutes your personal belief system.

Have you been to heaven and heard angels speaking amongst themselves and not to humans in order to say that there is no language that they themselves have? Why would you want to limit God's creative ability and in His great variety that He does things to say that angels have no languages for themselves?

 

[RickyZ]

Roger, here's the deal:

If you don't want to speak in tongues, you don't have to. Paul said he wished we all would, but he also acknowledged that not all would. In choosing to not speak in tongues, you are ok.

Paul told us to not forbid others from speaking in tongues. In this you are NOT ok.

Jesus told us that those who ascribe genuine works of the Holy Spirit to satan are eternally condemned. In this you are in GRAVE DANGER.

Just a word to the wise, my friend.