Yes, Jesus did follow the law of His Father and kept it perfectly and that on our behalf, satisfying God's requirements for the laws fulfillment. Jesus did not come to fulfill the law in order to keep in going so that we could continue to fail at it. Jesus fulfilled the law and we still fail at it. But for those who have faith in Christ, they are no longer under the curse of the law, for Christ satisfied it where we were unable to. Sin gets its power from the law and provides Satan and the powers of darkness with ammunition against us, so why would anyone one want to put themselves back under the law? *scratches head in confusion*
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Yes, the old covenant law didn't give us forgiveness of sins. So Christ had to come and establish a new covenant that forgives us for for our sins. But that way, according to the bible, could not be put into effect until the one who made it has died. This its why people boast about the cross. Because before Christ died on the cross he eagerly wanted to establish the new covenant through a bread and wine ceremony that gives us the promise of forgiveness of sins, according to the bible. This promise couldn't take effect until the death of the one who made it is proven, which is the cross.
Hebrews: 9. 15. For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. 16. In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17. because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.
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Very true, Jesus became the reality of the old covenant Passover lamb. That is why he is called the Lamb of God
Luke: 22. 7. Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover."
Luke: 22. 7. Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover."
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My dear friend in Christ,
I'd like to comment on the three BOLDED comments you made.
"The only difference I see is the way the Passover was kept."
While what you say here has an element of truth, it completely misses the FACT that the New Covenant COMPLETES, and PERFECTS the Old Covenant.
Under the Old Yahweh fed His CHOSEN people manna
Under the New Covenant; the Chosen people of Jesus {the Catholic Church} Mt. 10:18; Mt. 16:15-19; Jn. 17:17-22 & Mt. 28: 19-20 are fed by, with and through Jesus HIMSELF: Mt 26, Mk. 14, Lk. 22, John 6 {entire chapter; here is a short portion of it: verse 47-58 " And Paul in 1st Cor. 11: 23-30 {THAT"S SEPARATE AUTHORS OF THE NT}
[FONT="][[/FONT]47] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
[48] I am the bread of life.
[49] Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
[50] This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die.
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
[52] The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
[53] So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
[57] As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.
[58] This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever."
It is difficult to imagine that GOD could have been more precise, more specific or more clear it what He GOD intended,
So the difference is a rememerance of God {OT} and actually Jesus Himself-GOD {NT}.... That's HUGE
""I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."
The difference here is a bit more subtle. In both covenants this reality holds true. The KEY difference {ots perfection} is that Jesus in the NEW Covenant instituted 7 Sacraments, ALL avenues if His GRACE to aid us in our efforts to merit our personal Salvation. In particular Baptism, Sacramental confession and FORGIVENESS of sins GOD"S WAY {John 20:19-23}, and the Eucharist; Jesus HIMSELF.
"Also the Passover gives us forgiveness of sins. Not exactly the cross"
And exactly HOW do you reach this conclusion?
As a FYI: Mass, the Eucharistic celebration actually forgive ALL Venial {lesser} sins so that when we Catholics receive Christ, are souls are "sinless"**
1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
[h=3]John.20 Verses 20 to 23"When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."[/h]God in order to BE God cannot JUDGE all sins to be of equal punishment; therefore in 1 Jn 5: 16-17 it is clear that there exist in GOD"S view both Venial {lesser} & Mortal {Greater} sins. Mortal sin can only be forgive GOD'S WAY through Sacramental Confession {Jn 19:23}
The New Covenant & the Institution of the Most Holy Eucharist are inseparable! ... Eucharist is the fulfillment; the Perfecting of the New Covenant.
Sorry, but I'M unclear as to what you mean here?
God Bless you,
Patrick
My dear friend in Christ,
I'd like to comment on the three BOLDED comments you made.
"The only difference I see is the way the Passover was kept."
While what you say here has an element of truth, it completely misses the FACT that the New Covenant COMPLETES, and PERFECTS the Old Covenant.
Under the Old Yahweh fed His CHOSEN people manna
Under the New Covenant; the Chosen people of Jesus {the Catholic Church} Mt. 10:18; Mt. 16:15-19; Jn. 17:17-22 & Mt. 28: 19-20 are fed by, with and through Jesus HIMSELF: Mt 26, Mk. 14, Lk. 22, John 6 {entire chapter; here is a short portion of it: verse 47-58 " And Paul in 1st Cor. 11: 23-30 {THAT"S SEPARATE AUTHORS OF THE NT}
[FONT="][[/FONT]47] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
[48] I am the bread of life.
[49] Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
[50] This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die.
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
[52] The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
[53] So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
[57] As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.
[58] This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever."
It is difficult to imagine that GOD could have been more precise, more specific or more clear it what He GOD intended,
So the difference is a rememerance of God {OT} and actually Jesus Himself-GOD {NT}.... That's HUGE
""I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."
The difference here is a bit more subtle. In both covenants this reality holds true. The KEY difference {ots perfection} is that Jesus in the NEW Covenant instituted 7 Sacraments, ALL avenues if His GRACE to aid us in our efforts to merit our personal Salvation. In particular Baptism, Sacramental confession and FORGIVENESS of sins GOD"S WAY {John 20:19-23}, and the Eucharist; Jesus HIMSELF.
"Also the Passover gives us forgiveness of sins. Not exactly the cross"
And exactly HOW do you reach this conclusion?
As a FYI: Mass, the Eucharistic celebration actually forgive ALL Venial {lesser} sins so that when we Catholics receive Christ, are souls are "sinless"**
1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
[h=3]John.20 Verses 20 to 23"When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."[/h]God in order to BE God cannot JUDGE all sins to be of equal punishment; therefore in 1 Jn 5: 16-17 it is clear that there exist in GOD"S view both Venial {lesser} & Mortal {Greater} sins. Mortal sin can only be forgive GOD'S WAY through Sacramental Confession {Jn 19:23}
The New Covenant & the Institution of the Most Holy Eucharist are inseparable! ... Eucharist is the fulfillment; the Perfecting of the New Covenant.
Sorry, but I'M unclear as to what you mean here?
God Bless you,
Patrick
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Good point!
The Jews including the priestly classes were both afraid of the Influence of Christ, and His effective Ministry {jealously} and these were the prime reasons they has GOD crucified. It is HIGHLY significant that they failed {PRIDE} to recogonize Jesus as the long PROMISED Messiah.
God Bless you
Patrick
The Jews including the priestly classes were both afraid of the Influence of Christ, and His effective Ministry {jealously} and these were the prime reasons they has GOD crucified. It is HIGHLY significant that they failed {PRIDE} to recogonize Jesus as the long PROMISED Messiah.
God Bless you
Patrick
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Acts 11:41 doesn't exist. It ends with verse #30
God the Father has from ALL TIME Rules Heaven and Earth, so you're prostitution is meaningless. The actual meaning of this teaching is is that CHRIST would rule earth and ALL of its inhabitants once HE returned to Heaven is the Ascension.
God Bless you
Patrick
God the Father has from ALL TIME Rules Heaven and Earth, so you're prostitution is meaningless. The actual meaning of this teaching is is that CHRIST would rule earth and ALL of its inhabitants once HE returned to Heaven is the Ascension.
God Bless you
Patrick
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We must carefully read Acts 20:6 in order to fully understand verse 7.
Acts: 20. 6. But we sailed from Philippi after the Festival of Unleavened Bread, and five days later joined the others at Troas, where we stayed seven days. 7. On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
So they broke bread on the first day of the week after the festival of unleavened bread/Passover. The first day of the week (Sunday) after the Passover the disciples broke bread in remembrance of Jesus resurrection.
Luke: 24. 22. In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23. but didn't find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24. Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus." 25. He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26. Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" 27. And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. 28. As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29. But they urged him strongly, "Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over." So he went in to stay with them. 30. When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31. Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight.
And according to 1 Corinthians 11
1 Corinthians: 11. 23. For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread,
On what night was Jesus betrayed? It was the night of the Passover. So whenever they ate the bread and wine they did it on the night Jesus was betrayed, not every week or whenever you want to. Otherwise there's no room for grace if I can receive the promise by participating every hour
Acts: 20. 6. But we sailed from Philippi after the Festival of Unleavened Bread, and five days later joined the others at Troas, where we stayed seven days. 7. On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
So they broke bread on the first day of the week after the festival of unleavened bread/Passover. The first day of the week (Sunday) after the Passover the disciples broke bread in remembrance of Jesus resurrection.
Luke: 24. 22. In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23. but didn't find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24. Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus." 25. He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26. Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" 27. And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. 28. As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29. But they urged him strongly, "Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over." So he went in to stay with them. 30. When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31. Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight.
And according to 1 Corinthians 11
1 Corinthians: 11. 23. For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread,
On what night was Jesus betrayed? It was the night of the Passover. So whenever they ate the bread and wine they did it on the night Jesus was betrayed, not every week or whenever you want to. Otherwise there's no room for grace if I can receive the promise by participating every hour
Originally Posted by valiant
Acts 20.7 suggests it. Read also 1 Cor 10-11. It was clearly done very frequently. It is a reminder to us that Christ lives in us continually.
No one doubts that it was at the Passover that Jesus initiated the new feast.
He said do this as often as you drink it (wine) in remembrance of Me'.
what a funny thing to say, God's grace is continually active. the meal pointed to that. I receive grace every moment,