What's the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

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disciplemike

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eternally-gratefull said:
This is the problem of legalism.. The pharisees could not get this, Niether do modern day "law"yers..
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the problem with easy-believism and greasy-grace folks is this:
Any commandment they don't like, they scream "we are not under law but under grace".
But let any homosexual or pro-abortion "believer" step forward, and then they change their tune. They say God's wrath will be kindled. Bunch of hypocrits.
 
disciplemike

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Grace777x70 said:
The perfect law of liberty

James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25),
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James (Yacov) is Jewish. He and all His associates knew the Psalms by heart. When He called it the perfect law of liberty, EVERYONE there knew what he was quoting.
Just not know-it-alls 2000 years later.
 
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FreeNChrist

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disciplemike said:
wait, did God say He was writing His laws on our hearts and minds?
or did He say He was erasing all laws from our hearts and our minds?
wake up.
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Right, He has written them on our hearts and minds. So that we can now serve in the new way of the Spirit and not futily continue in the old way of the letter.
 
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Right, He has written them on our hearts and minds. So that we can now serve in the new way of the Spirit and not futily continue in the old way of the letter.
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no wait, you said no need for laws. which is it?
 
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Old covenant made living sacrifices. New covenant we are saved under grace. Pretty much all need to know.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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disciplemike said:
what is wrong with you?
this is what he said:
Originally Posted by FreeNChrist
When Jesus died on the cross the old way of "doing" in its entirety became obsolete.
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what is wrong with you?

As far as salvation is concerned, IT DID BECOME OBSOLITE!!

for those who are not saved, They are still underlaw. And will suffer its curse if they are not saved before it ends.

Gal 3:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

If you want to remain under a tutor thats up to you. But please. stop putting people under a yoke you yourself can not fulfill (perfect obedience to the law)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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disciplemike said:
the problem with easy-believism and greasy-grace folks is this:
Any commandment they don't like, they scream "we are not under law but under grace".
But let any homosexual or pro-abortion "believer" step forward, and then they change their tune. They say God's wrath will be kindled. Bunch of hypocrits.
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lol.. Grace people do not do this, legalist do. (unless they are licentious, in which case, they aere just as guilty and unsaved as the legalist. )

Grace people understand they will not be perfect.

legaists think they are, or water down the law to make them law obedient. Thay have no choice.

Easy believism? You prove how hard it really is..
 
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disciplemike said:
the problem with easy-believism and greasy-grace folks is this:
Any commandment they don't like, they scream "we are not under law but under grace".
But let any homosexual or pro-abortion "believer" step forward, and then they change their tune. They say God's wrath will be kindled. Bunch of hypocrits.
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Not true, we like ALL of the commandments. Unlike those such as yourself who slice and dice the Law, reducing its demand for perfection and thereby cheapening it.
 
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Communion is just a term to describe the breaking of,bread and drinking of wine in fellowship and remembrance of Christ redeeming work on the cross...I have heard it called "the Lord's feast"....the name isn't as important as the purpose...



John 6:53-58 ESV / 724 helpful votes

So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. ...

1 Corinthians 11:26 ESV / 698 helpful votes

For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

1 Corinthians 11:24-27 ESV / 636 helpful votes

And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.

Luke 22:19-20 ESV / 579 helpful votes

And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

1 Corinthians 11:28 ESV / 410 helpful votes

Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.

Matthew 26:26-28 ESV / 297 helpful votes

Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

John 6:53 ESV / 282 helpful votes

So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

Acts 2:42 ESV / 204 helpful votes

And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.

1 Corinthians 11:27-29 ESV / 197 helpful votes

Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.

John 6:51 ESV / 174 helpful votes

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

John 6:33 ESV / 127 helpful votes

For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

Isaiah 53:5 ESV / 118 helpful votes

But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.

Luke 24:30 ESV / 106 helpful votes

When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to them.

Luke 22:19 ESV / 88 helpful votes

And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.
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Yeah, every time Jesus broke bread and wine he was eating the Passover.
Matthew 26:17-18 & Luke 22: 15. This is one of God's appinted feast. And in 1 Corinthians 11:24-29 it says "on the night Jesus was betrayed" he took bread and wine.... But what night was Jesus betrayed? It was the night of the Passover. So even the apostles kept Passover at its appointed time because they believed in the promise it contained (forgiveness of sins and eternal life). Since that's the case, which one is unworthy, communion or Passover?
 
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Drcraig1 said:
Yeah, every time Jesus broke bread and wine he was eating the Passover.
Matthew 26:17-18 & Luke 22: 15. This is one of God's appinted feast. And in 1 Corinthians 11:24-29 it says "on the night Jesus was betrayed" he took bread and wine.... But what night was Jesus betrayed? It was the night of the Passover. So even the apostles kept Passover at its appointed time because they believed in the promise it contained (forgiveness of sins and eternal life). Since that's the case, which one is unworthy, communion or Passover?
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....Passover.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
When Jesus died on the cross the old way of "doing" in its entirety became obsolete.
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Yes, meaning they didn't have to sacrifice a physical lamb And eat the flesh of it and sprinkle the blood anymore, because Jesus became our Passover lamb. Now we eat it flesh (bread) and drink his blood (wine). So when he died on the cross we don't have to sacrifice physical lambs No longer because that was the old order which became obsolete
 
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Drcraig1 said:
Yes, meaning they didn't have to sacrifice a physical lamb And eat the flesh of it and sprinkle the blood anymore, because Jesus became our Passover lamb. Now we eat it flesh (bread) and drink his blood (wine). So when he died on the cross we don't have to sacrifice physical lambs No longer because that was the old order which became obsolete
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All of the old is now obsolete. You are just chasing shadows.

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eternally-gratefull

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Drcraig1 said:
Yeah, every time Jesus broke bread and wine he was eating the Passover.
Matthew 26:17-18 & Luke 22: 15. This is one of God's appinted feast. And in 1 Corinthians 11:24-29 it says "on the night Jesus was betrayed" he took bread and wine.... But what night was Jesus betrayed? It was the night of the Passover. So even the apostles kept Passover at its appointed time because they believed in the promise it contained (forgiveness of sins and eternal life). Since that's the case, which one is unworthy, communion or Passover?
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please show where in the OT anyone was promised eternal life for doing passover, If that was all that was required. why kill all the innocent animals which God required according to the law
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Jesus provides more than just the promise of forgiveness, He is in Himself the propitiation of our sins. We have forgiveness because we have Him. And unlike the lamb who died and stayed dead, this Lamb rose again to life. And because He lives, we who are His live as well.
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The gift of the Holy Spirit is key.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
You've missed the Cross entirely.
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It's because he believes that wine and bread saves and not the cross. Trying to unravel the knots in this new Passover theology...never encountered it before.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Not true, we like ALL of the commandments. Unlike those such as yourself who slice and dice the Law, reducing its demand for perfection and thereby cheapening it.
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This is so true. Modern day Judaizers water down the Law to make it appear to be "do-able" but in reality - they have a very low opinion of the Law. Jesus elevated the Law when He was here on earth to show that people need Him alone for living.

James says - if you break one law - you have broken it all. The Judazisers water down the law and say they only need to keep some of them - they have no temple so they are breaking the law already but of course they make "excuses" for that.
 
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disciplemike said:
the problem with easy-believism and greasy-grace folks is this:
Any commandment they don't like, they scream "we are not under law but under grace".
But let any homosexual or pro-abortion "believer" step forward, and then they change their tune. They say God's wrath will be kindled. Bunch of hypocrits.
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men look at the outward appearances but GOD looks at the heart.

In the old testament If a person offends the law at any point,they have offended all of It.

Under grace,Its about what JESUS did for us but I understand what you are saying,but under grace we are GOD's workmanship created In CHRIST unto good works that was before ordained that we should walk In them.

It should be about JESUS and not about how well a person can go without sinning.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ariel82 said:
It's because he believes that wine and bread saves and not the cross. Trying to unravel the knots in this new Passover theology...never encountered it before.
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learn something new every day it seems..
 
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The old covenant was one of grace. God had had compassion on His people by grace and had delivered them from Egypt (Exod 20.1-2). As a consequence He expected them to live as He showed them in gratitude for their deliverance. They were to remember that they had been slaves in the land of Egypt. This included sacrifices and offerings which foreshadowed the coming of Christ. But they were declared righteous in God's presence through faith in Him (Gen 15.6; Rom 4.11-15).

Observance of the Law was not the means by which they would be saved. That was the error of the Pharisees and Sadducees. It was the way by which they would 'live' i.e. have a good and satisfying life. But their salvation was by faith alone, and by 'the circumcision of the heart' (rebirth in the Spirit)..

The new covenant was also of grace. But the sacrifice was in His blood which encompassed all the sacrifices of the OT. Men were freely to partake of Christ, having been justified by faith. There too Christ's law was given by which men should live once they were saved once and for all

The old covenant foreshadowed the new,
 
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