So what about the fourth commandment?

Dan_473 · Aug 19, 2016

Christians fulfill the entire law.

"the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”

and whatever other commandments there are,

are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love doesn’t harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law."

simplifiedtruth · Aug 19, 2016

Dan_473 said:

Yes the one who loves he's neighbor as himself fulfills the law on how to love his neighbor. Now the question should be how do we love God with all our heart and soul and mind and strength ? The answer is when we keep(Have a desire for, Guard) the commandments He has given to us, which He says is how we love Him, and when they are not a burden to us, but a delight.

Grace777x70 · Aug 19, 2016

Keeping the real Sabbath that is in Christ is resting from our own works to believe in what Jesus alone has done for us! This includes our own efforts to keep the Law. We are forever blessed in Christ alone. Heb. 4:9-11

Jesus is the fulfillment of the whole Law including the Sabbath. They all speak of Christ and His finished work! The Old is gone for the Christian and the New Covenant is now here and His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

John told us earlier in his epistle just what the commandments of God are in the New Covenant.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Jesus is the only One that has fulfilled the greatest commandment in the Law. Jesus has loved the Lord His God with all His strength, might, mind and soul and He has loved others as Himself.

We are in Christ now as Christians and thus fulfill the true intent and purpose of the Law because we are one with Him with our spirit joined to Him eternally.

His life in us now is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ in our hearts and minds and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith ). We live by His life alone - not any rules or laws from the Old Covenant. Jesus is enough!

simplifiedtruth · Aug 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Keeping the real Sabbath that is in Christ is resting from our own works to believe in what Jesus alone has done for us! This includes our own efforts to keep the Law. We are forever blessed in Christ alone. Heb. 4:9-11

Jesus is the fulfillment of the whole Law including the Sabbath. They all speak of Christ and His finished work! The Old is gone for the Christian and the New Covenant is now here and His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

John told us earlier in his epistle just what the commandments of God are in the New Covenant.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Jesus is the only One that has fulfilled the greatest commandment in the Law. Jesus has loved the Lord His God with all His strength, might, mind and soul and He has loved others as Himself.

We are in Christ now as Christians and thus fulfill the true intent and purpose of the Law because we are one with Him with our spirit joined to Him eternally.

His life in us now is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ in our hearts and minds and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith ). We live by His life alone - not any rules or laws from the Old Covenant. Jesus is enough!

That is what you believe. I believe the bible.

Grace777x70 · Aug 19, 2016

simplifiedtruth said:

I hear ya'...that's what everyone says......I believe the bible too...Jesus is everything and He has fulfilled all things.

disciplemike · Aug 19, 2016

The Sabbath - an appointment with God!
Praise His holy name!

JimmieD · Aug 19, 2016

simplifiedtruth said:

So obviously my point is that I doubt anyone follows this command. I guess there may be some hillbillies somewhere that do, but very few.

Dan_473 · Aug 19, 2016

simplifiedtruth said:

Christians fulfill the commandment to love God by loving their neighbor, who is created in the image of God.

Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law

Dan_473 · Aug 19, 2016

disciplemike said:

we have one lifelong appointment with God.

this is a danger of Sabbath keeping.

Yonah · Aug 19, 2016

it saddens me to see so many decide to just ignore a direct and clear command from the creator of the universe... many blessing is forfeited in favor of mans opinion of the truth, and the cost is so much greater then many will even imagine. many claim to walk with and love our Savior but when it comes time to do as He commands theres always some excuse, nothing new I guess, each must and will give account before the one who calls,
Can any one please explain the text found in these 2 places? Matt. 24:20 and Rev.14:12 seems many feel its a danger to obey the commands when the bible clearly says the opposite, mans teachings of error based on tradtition and supposition has gone on for centuries, however there will always be those who truly yield and choose to be guided by the Spirit rather then men, Elijah faced it on mount Carmel and it continues today. the Father knows who is living what they profess and who isn't... and each is called however few actually follow. why do so many judge others according to the day they observe? and why do so many speak ill of keeping the commands given ? its so strange rather then speaking qwords of encouragement folks seem to want to bash others for expressing their faith just because they do not understand the truth as others do....

Grace777x70 · Aug 19, 2016

Well...for the "law-keepers" - here is "a clear command" from the Creator. You guys better get busy and start putting people to death if you want to fulfill all the Law.

Exodus 35:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

If we don't filter all scripture with the revealed scriptures on the work of Christ - we will be missing the whole purpose of the Law and are in fact denying the very blood and work of the Lord Jesus Christ for an obsolete Old Covenant. Jesus is the very substance of everything in the shadow of the Law.

We live in the New Covenant now and Christians are not going to desert Christ for going back to the Law for living when we have the life of Christ in us now.

jcha · Aug 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I see you are Canadian? Does Canada allow stoning? No, but you abide as a lawful citizen don't you. I believe Jesus was hung on the stake because that was the ruling government policy.

Now, until God's nation/kingdom is restored we abide by the laws of our present day and current government's.

That smartellic remark always rubs me the wrong way. Who believes your nonsensical statement?

One thing I do know is that if any man deserves stoning, it will be carried out by God.

Revelation 16:The Seventh Bowl of Wrath
…20Then every island fled, and no mountain could be found. 21And huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each, rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous.

Grace777x70 · Aug 19, 2016

jcha said:

That is your defense for watering down the Law so that we can make it seem to be "do-able"?

Peter said " Are we to obey man or God?"

I am simply pointing out that "law-keepers" continually break the Law every day. There are dozens of things like this from the Law that one could bring up that are in fact violated by people that says they keep the Law.

Jesus hung on a cross because it was prophesied of Him 100's of years before crucifixation was even invented.

James said that if you break one law - you are guilty of all of it.

Going back to the Law for living is an anti-Christ belief system which is exactly what "law-keepers" are trying to get Christians to do. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life". His life in us is how Christians live now. We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us now.

I encourage you to choose Jesus because Christians are dead to the Law SO THAT they could be joined to Another - Christ Himself. Romans 7:1-6

Going back to the Law for living is committing spiritual adultery on the One we are joined to now.

tanakh · Aug 20, 2016

If you read the Sabbath commandment and try to apply it literally you can run into problems. It not only applies to you as an individual but to others as well. If you have servants its not much of a problem because you can give them a day off, the same goes for Cattle and underage Children. What happens in the case of Adult Sons and Daughters and any Strangers ''within your gates'' Suppose they turn round and tell you to mind your own business? Do you kick them out? If they live miles away do you send some heavies round to enforce the commandment?.

This may sound silly but these are the sort of questions that arise when you take everything you read literally. We are not Israelites. We are not camping in the wilderness, and few of us have servants and cattle. Our lives have to be adapted to 21st Century living whether we like it or not.

tanakh · Aug 20, 2016

Another problem when attempting to follow the fourth commandment as far as 'gathering yourselves together' is concerned is that nearly all congregations meet on Sunday. Unless you join the SDA or are lucky enough to have a messianic congregation near you the only way you are to get fellowship is attend your local Synagogue and i wish you well with that alternative!!

jcha · Aug 20, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Watering down? No I don't keep all the added laws from the oral traditions. Neither did Jesus. The Torah is self explanatory and as for the observance of the weekly Sabbath, easy, easy, easy. Do not work for pay, if possible, with the exception of health care and fire or police services. Other exceptions apply. Do not buy or sell. Gather with other believers. Easy, easy, easy and such a delight. For me personally I don't take out the garbage, cook, wash dishes or clothes or car or clean my home on thi physical rest day. Always flexible to do loving things, like caring for sick or watching grandkids. Truly a delight. I prepare foods on Friday so there is no temptation to cook or run through a fast food joint. I've been honoring God on His special set apart day for 4 years. It is amazing how quickly Sabbath comes. Before observing Sabbath, I had severe bipolar episodes. I have not had one single episode in these 4 years of remembering Sabbath and keeping it holy. Blessings for sure.

Shabbat Shalom!

Grace777x70 · Aug 20, 2016

jcha said:

Again you continue to make "excuses" and "exceptions" for not keeping the Law.

I am glad that you have had no bipolar episodes lately but I can tell you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ - it is NOT from your Sabbath observance. This is where this belief system becomes anti-Christ. It is all to do with what you do and NOT what Christ has already done.

All blessings come because we are in Christ - NOT from our own merit of what we do. This is where the "law-keepers" religion breaks away from real Christianity where we depend totally on what Christ has already done for us by faith in Him alone.

Ephesians 1:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,

2 Peter 1:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;

[SUP]3 [/SUP] seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

The true Christian life is all by grace which is found only in Jesus our Lord and the revelation of Him and His finished work for us.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

We are free to observe any day we want because we are free in Christ and not under the Law but when we say that we are supposed to keep the Law that's where the anti-Christ beliefs come into play.

I am hard against that because it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ and it is in fact the true sign of a modern day Judaizer of which the book of Galatians describes their behavior and subsequent perversion of the gospel. "Law-keeping" in fact nullifies the grace of Christ in our lives as Paul also talked about in Galatians

We start with the grace of Christ and we end with the grace of Christ. Jesus is more then enough. He truly did it all for us and we have a great salvation in Him!

Shalom

beta · Aug 20, 2016

Wall said:

Christians (some,most) believe that the law was nailed to the cross and is not for us today, yet another scripture we read in the NT is 1Joh 3v4 telling us ''Sin is the transgression of the law''.
Now What ? Are people concerned about what to do ?
Not a bit of it....they just scrap the law altogether, ignoring what scripture says.
The NT makes a 'plain statement that transgressing the law IS SIN. Is that to be ignored ?
There were many laws in the OT and some of them Jesus fulfilled on the cross making them obsolete today.
Which were these laws ? Eph 2v15 explains : Having abolished in his flesh ...even the law of commandments 'contained in ordinances...these were abolished....laws contained in works. These laws or commandments CONTAINED IN Ordinances or works. Being 'contained in them' they are not to spill over into the ''spiritual law which are the 10 Commandments GOD personally spoke to the people.

Ordinances or Works of the law (of Moses) were never holy and eternal but only lasted UNTIL Christ who abolished them. The 10 Com that GOD gave personally are eternal, spiritual, holy just and good Rom7, and are still today.
If we don't respect what is holy to God how do we expect to share in HIS Kingdom ?
Good people ! we are to make a 'difference between holy and unholy ...GOD does !!!

beta · Aug 20, 2016

jcha said:

Watering down? No I don't keep all the added laws from the oral traditions. Neither did Jesus. The Torah is self explanatory and as for the observance of the weekly Sabbath, easy, easy, easy. Do not work for pay, if possible, with the exception of health care and fire or police services. Other exceptions apply. Do not buy or sell. Gather with other believers. Easy, easy, easy and such a delight. For me personally I don't take out the garbage, cook, wash dishes or clothes or car or clean my home on thi physical rest day. Always flexible to do loving things, like caring for sick or watching grandkids. Truly a delight. I prepare foods on Friday so there is no temptation to cook or run through a fast food joint. I've been honoring God on His special set apart day for 4 years. It is amazing how quickly Sabbath comes. Before observing Sabbath, I had severe bipolar episodes. I have not had one single episode in these 4 years of remembering Sabbath and keeping it holy. Blessings for sure.

Shabbat Shalom!

Very nice and practicle reply....no burden at all....there are many 'good works we can do on the Sabbath !

beta · Aug 20, 2016

tanakh said:

Friend, why worry about assembling with other people who don't share the same Beliefs ?
WE (genuine disciples) can have 'spiritual fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ !

So what about the fourth commandment?

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