So what about the fourth commandment?

[Ahwatukee]

Hello beta,

.they just scrap the law altogether, ignoring what scripture says.

Those of us who know that we are saved by grace through faith apart from the works of the law, didn't just scrap it. We understand that Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law, which is something that mankind could never fulfill. Jesus did not come here to fulfill the law in order to perpetuate it i.e. keep it going. I wish that you who continue to put yourselves under the works of the law would understand that by doing so, you are not trusting in Christ as the One who satisfied it.

We are under new covenant. Grace and the law are in contrast to one another. Salvation by grace through faith is the gift of God. Where attempting to perform works as a requirement for salvation is the same as saying to the Lord, "your sacrifice was insufficient." You people put yourselves under slivers of the law not understanding that you're either under the entire law or under none of it. Whenever anyone brings in requirements along side of what Jesus did as an aid to salvation, it cancels out salvation by grace, because you are trying to earn it by your good works.

Which were these laws ? Eph 2v15 explains : Having abolished in his flesh ...even the law of commandments 'contained in ordinances...these were abolished....laws contained in works. These laws or commandments CONTAINED IN Ordinances or works. Being 'contained in them' they are not to spill over into the ''spiritual law which are the 10 Commandments GOD personally spoke to the people.

Ordinances or Works of the law (of Moses) were never holy and eternal but only lasted UNTIL Christ who abolished them. The 10 Com that GOD gave personally are eternal, spiritual, holy just and good Rom7, and are still today. If we don't respect what is holy to God how do we expect to share in HIS Kingdom ? Good people ! we are to make a 'difference between holy and unholy ...GOD does !!!

All you are doing is circumventing all of the scripture that is given demonstrating that we are not under the law at all. All you are doing is slicing and dicing, redefining. Anyone who trusts in anything other than Christ crucified will not enter into eternal life. We don't fall ordinances, the written code. We walk after Christ, led by the Spirit. And whenever we commit sin, we confess it and he is faithful and just to forgive us all our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. I guarantee all of you, if you go before the Lord with the spiritual attitude of "Lord look what I did" you will be turned away.

Jesus alone met the righteous requirements of the law, bringing it to its fulfillment. He completed it on our behalf. Now we are free in Christ, for he rescued us from the curse of the law. Referring to the circumcision and the law of Moses, Peter referred to it as "a yoke that neither he nor his ancestors were able to bear." And Paul referred to the law as "those weak and miserable principles."

"But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down. For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law—I stopped trying to meet all its requirements—so that I might live for God. "

We are made holy because we believe in the Son of God. We are credited with the righteousness of Christ through faith. If you are trusting in your own efforts, then you are not trusting in Christ. If you keep believing what you are believing, you will find out the truth only to late.

 

[beta]

Hello beta,



Those of us who know that we are saved by grace through faith apart from the works of the law, didn't just scrap it. We understand that Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law, which is something that mankind could never fulfill. Jesus did not come here to fulfill the law in order to perpetuate it i.e. keep it going. I wish that you who continue to put yourselves under the works of the law would understand that by doing so, you are not trusting in Christ as the One who satisfied it.

We are under new covenant. Grace and the law are in contrast to one another. Salvation by grace through faith is the gift of God. Where attempting to perform works as a requirement for salvation is the same as saying to the Lord, "your sacrifice was insufficient." You people put yourselves under slivers of the law not understanding that you're either under the entire law or under none of it. Whenever anyone brings in requirements along side of what Jesus did as an aid to salvation, it cancels out salvation by grace, because you are trying to earn it by your good works.



All you are doing is circumventing all of the scripture that is given demonstrating that we are not under the law at all. All you are doing is slicing and dicing, redefining. Anyone who trusts in anything other than Christ crucified will not enter into eternal life. We don't fall ordinances, the written code. We walk after Christ, led by the Spirit. And whenever we commit sin, we confess it and he is faithful and just to forgive us all our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. I guarantee all of you, if you go before the Lord with the spiritual attitude of "Lord look what I did" you will be turned away.

Jesus alone met the righteous requirements of the law, bringing it to its fulfillment. He completed it on our behalf. Now we are free in Christ, for he rescued us from the curse of the law. Referring to the circumcision and the law of Moses, Peter referred to it as "a yoke that neither he nor his ancestors were able to bear." And Paul referred to the law as "those weak and miserable principles."

"But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down. For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law—I stopped trying to meet all its requirements—so that I might live for God. "

We are made holy because we believe in the Son of God. We are credited with the righteousness of Christ through faith. If you are trusting in your own efforts, then you are not trusting in Christ. If you keep believing what you are believing, you will find out the truth only to late.

I only read your first small paragraph and saw your totally UNJUST accusation ! no need to read any further for it will be based on ERROR !
I had just stated in my post that the 'works/ordinances had been ''abolished'' and you come back with us wanting to return to them. Where do you get that from ?
I distinctly pointed out in scripture that there are two separate laws...the Ordinances and the 10Commandments, both different from each other and separate laws...and you totally ignore that or else deny it.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I see you are Canadian? Does Canada allow stoning? No, but you abide as a lawful citizen don't you. I believe Jesus was hung on the stake because that was the ruling government policy.

Now, until God's nation/kingdom is restored we abide by the laws of our present day and current government's.

That smartellic remark always rubs me the wrong way. Who believes your nonsensical statement?

One thing I do know is that if any man deserves stoning, it will be carried out by God.

Revelation 16:The Seventh Bowl of Wrath
…20Then every island fled, and no mountain could be found. 21And huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each, rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous.

IOW, if it were not for the laws of the country you live in preventing you, you would be all in on putting to death those who did any work on your sabbath day. Got it.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I distinctly pointed out in scripture that there are two separate laws...the Ordinances and the 10Commandments, both different from each other and separate laws...

Which is how you can continue to pretend you are keeping the Law, even as you fail to keep it. As if God can be fooled.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I only read your first small paragraph and saw your totally UNJUST accusation ! no need to read any further for it will be based on ERROR !
I had just stated in my post that the 'works/ordinances had been ''abolished'' and you come back with us wanting to return to them. Where do you get that from ?
I distinctly pointed out in scripture that there are two separate laws...the Ordinances and the 10Commandments, both different from each other and separate laws...and you totally ignore that or else deny it.

God gave all of the laws. You should read the whole thing, for maybe God will reveal the truth to you. I shouldn't be surprised though, for the Holy Spirit through Paul came from every angel, using many illustrations to get the point across that believers in Christ are not under the law. Anyone who is attempting to perform works as a means to gain favor with God towards salvation will fail. Believers are just not under the law, period! I do not attempt to try to meet the requirments of the law as means of obtaining or maintaining my salvation. Our trust should be completely in Christ as the One who provided salvation on our behalf, which is how we obtain salvation, by trusting in Jesus as the One who provided. There is nothing that I can do, no works, no observance of the law, in order to obtain salvation. Jesus doesn't need our help with something that he already satisfied perfectly.

 

[beta]

Which is how you can continue to pretend you are keeping the Law, even as you fail to keep it. As if God can be fooled.

As I have said many times (but you refuse to hear) being perfected takes a lifetime, it's not 'instant....hence REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS when we make mistakes ! does that explain ?

 

[beta]

IOW, if it were not for the laws of the country you live in preventing you, you would be all in on putting to death those who did any work on your sabbath day. Got it.

You are talking about and still falsly accusing us of keeping to OT laws which have been abolished in Christ ! Why are you doing that ? Because you do not understand law ! You REFUSE scriptures that tell the truth !

 

[garee]

As I have said many times (but you refuse to hear) being perfected takes a lifetime, it's not 'instant....hence REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS when we make mistakes ! does that explain ?

By one sacrifice God has perfected salvation. (He is not served by human hands.)

The believer is moved from death to new eternal spirit life. God does not offer partial salvation. Doesn't get much more perfect than that.

Perhaps you have death and life mixed up ?

2Corinthians 2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

According to our confidence we place in our savoir if who has begun the good work of salvation he promises us he will finisher it seeing he cannot deny His elf the work id finished...Are you saying that is not true? if not how will you get from death to eternal spirit live

Proverbs 13:14 The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.


Proverbs 14:27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

 

[garee]

You are talking about and still falsly accusing us of keeping to OT laws which have been abolished in Christ ! Why are you doing that ? Because you do not understand law ! You REFUSE scriptures that tell the truth !

The Sabbath is a ceremonial law. its easy to see by simply looking at the two different rendering of the ten commandments , In Deuteronomy and Exodus shown by parables as for the reasons of a eternal rest that we already have in Christ.

The question would seem will you obey the law according to the commandment not to judge one other in respect to shadows. Or are you turning things upside down making the shadows as that seen the substance and the eternal not seen that which could profit?


Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Col 2:16

After all the time of the reformation has come for the believers the veil was rent by God as a sign .Are you still waiting for Christ to come in the flesh?

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until" the time of reformation.Heb 9:8


Is it still imposed ?

 

[jcha]

Again you continue to make "excuses" and "exceptions" for not keeping the Law.

I am glad that you have had no bipolar episodes lately but I can tell you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ - it is NOT from your Sabbath observance. This is where this belief system becomes anti-Christ. It is all to do with what you do and NOT what Christ has already done.

All blessings come because we are in Christ - NOT from our own merit of what we do. This is where the "law-keepers" religion breaks away from real Christianity where we depend totally on what Christ has already done for us by faith in Him alone.

Ephesians 1:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,

2 Peter 1:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;

[SUP]3 [/SUP] seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

The true Christian life is all by grace which is found only in Jesus our Lord and the revelation of Him and His finished work for us.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.


We are free to observe any day we want because we are free in Christ and not under the Law but when we say that we are supposed to keep the Law that's where the anti-Christ beliefs come into play.

I am hard against that because it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ and it is in fact the true sign of a modern day Judaizer of which the book of Galatians describes their behavior and subsequent perversion of the gospel. "Law-keeping" in fact nullifies the grace of Christ in our lives as Paul also talked about in Galatians

We start with the grace of Christ and we end with the grace of Christ. Jesus is more then enough. He truly did it all for us and we have a great salvation in Him!

Shalom

Man-made traditions in fact nullify the commandments of God.


Mark 7:8You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” 9He went on to say, “You neatly set aside the commandment of God to maintainyour own tradition.

Paul talks about keeping traditions of the oral law, not the written:

Galatians 1:14I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

Mark 7:3
Now in holding to the tradition of the elders, the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat until they wash their hands ceremonially.

You use Paul, a man for your half truth grace only beliefs. You seldom quote from the gospels. Why is that? To keep your belief, you only use Paul?

It is not "in the beginning was the Paul, and the Paul was with God, and the Paul is God."

When anyone tries to help you with your understanding of Paul, you immediately repost same old same stuff and that picture that should be the believer holding hands with Lawlessness.

Matthew 23:2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy, burdensome loads and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.…

Using only the misunderstood writings of Paul for your grace only no-law religion is based on Marcion's man made theology.

Time has come for reformation back to the whole Word and how it is applicable in our lives today.


2 Corinthians 4:2
Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful ways. We do not practice deceit, nor do we distort the word of God.

 

[Grace777x70]

Man-made traditions in fact nullify the commandments of God.


Mark 7:8You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” 9He went on to say, “You neatly set aside the commandment of God to maintainyour own tradition.

Paul talks about keeping traditions of the oral law, not the written:

Galatians 1:14I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

Mark 7:3
Now in holding to the tradition of the elders, the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat until they wash their hands ceremonially.

You use Paul, a man for your half truth grace only beliefs. You seldom quote from the gospels. Why is that? To keep your belief, you only use Paul?

It is not "in the beginning was the Paul, and the Paul was with God, and the Paul is God."

When anyone tries to help you with your understanding of Paul, you immediately repost same old same stuff and that picture that should be the believer holding hands with Lawlessness.

Matthew 23:2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy, burdensome loads and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.…

Using only the misunderstood writings of Paul for your grace only no-law religion is based on Marcion's man made theology.

Time has come for reformation back to the whole Word and how it is applicable in our lives today.


2 Corinthians 4:2
Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful ways. We do not practice deceit, nor do we distort the word of God.

Christians use Paul because the Lord Jesus Christ Himself sent Paul to explain the gospel of grace of Christ and what happened on the cross and resurrection.

Without this understanding we would have no clue what happened by just reading the 4 gospel. The disciples were told 17 times that Jesus was going to die and they still didn't understand it.

"Law-keepers" is an anti-Christ belief system no matter how much they try to keep the Law which they prove over and over again that they don't do it.

They water down the Law to make is "do-able" and in doing so - break the very Law that they claim to live by.

It's time to live by Christ's righteousness and to come to Him for life instead of the Law. His life can be trusted in us. The Holy Spirit who lives in us can be trusted with our lives and to reveal Christ in us.

We now live by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love ( the Law is not of faith ) - the law of Christ Himself is now written on our hearts and our renewed minds. Real Christians are dead to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

Law-keepers can continue to try to live by their own righteousness which they think they get from keeping the Law but they are deceived. I believe they mean well - but they are in deception and in an anti-Christ religious system.

Remember Paul said in the last days religious people would be anti-Christ - NOT anti-God.

Romans 10:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

I can tell you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ - law-keepers self-righteousness will never be enough and it is in fact denying the Lord Jesus Christ and His blood that was shed for our freedom.

The reason I and others are so hard on "law-keepers" religious anti-Christ beliefs is because it makes the grace of Christ of no effect in our lives just like Paul talked about in Galatians. We are defending the faith which is the gospel of the grace of Christ only for living and life.

 

[Dan_473]

Now, until God's nation/kingdom is restored we abide by the laws of our present day and current government's.

if you lived in a land that allowed stonging, would you participate?

would your heart rejoice?

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

 

[jcha]

if you lived in a land that allowed stonging, would you participate?

would your heart rejoice?

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

Excellent question. Worthy of its own thread.

 

[Dan_473]

Excellent question. Worthy of its own thread.

since execution is how fourth commandment breakers are dealt with, I think this is a good thread to talk about it.



but sure, if you want to start a new Stoning thread, I'll probably stop by...

 

[heavenly_bound]

Man-made traditions in fact nullify the commandments of God.


Mark 7:8You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.”9He went on to say, “You neatly set aside the commandment of God to maintainyour owntradition.

Paul talks about keeping traditions of the oral law, not the written:

Galatians 1:14I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries and wasextremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

Mark 7:3
Now in holding to the tradition of the elders, the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat until they wash their hands ceremonially.

You use Paul, a man for your half truth grace only beliefs. You seldom quote from the gospels. Why is that? To keep your belief, you only use Paul?


It is not "in the beginning was the Paul, and the Paul was with God, and the Paul is God."

When anyone tries to help you with your understanding of Paul, you immediately repost same old same stuff and that picture that should be the believer holding hands with Lawlessness.

Matthew 23:2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observeeverything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy, burdensome loads and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.…

Using only the misunderstood writings of Paul for your grace only no-law religion is based on Marcion's man made theology.

Time has come for reformation back to the whole Word and how it is applicable in our lives today.


2 Corinthians 4:2
Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful ways. We do not practice deceit, nor do we distort the word of God.

i want to say loud and clear that Paul was a chosen vessel by The Lord Jesus to reveal the mysteries of His cross(Gal 1:1-16, especially verse 15 and 16, then Gal 2:24-28, pay attention to verse 26 and 27)! if you would have ask a Jew 2000 yrs ago, who was hanging on that cross, he would say one Jewish rabbi who claimed to be the son of God; if you would ask the disciples of the lamb(the 12) they would say, it is Jesus Christ who died on the cross for the sins of humanity; and if you would asked Paul the same question, this is what he would say" I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST WHILE HE WAS HANGING ON THAT CROSS(Gal 2:20)!! hmm mm, something to think about eh!
Not only did the Lord reveal this mystery to Paul, He also sowed Paul what happened before anything was ever created( Eph1:3-7)! Look at this; to Moses, Christ revealed CREATION, and to Paul He revealed "BEFORE CREATION Eph 1:1-14)"! Now tell me, how can a mortal man knows what was happening when there was nothing but THE GODHEAD? Either Paul was an exceptional "imaginationist" or what he wrote was divinely revealed to him! what you do with this and all what has been expounded on here in regards to the mysteries of the grace of God, is up to u! selah.

 

[jcha]

since execution is how fourth commandment breakers are dealt with, I think this is a good thread to talk about it.



but sure, if you want to start a new Stoning thread, I'll probably stop by...

[video=youtube_share;mUZ87TVUCcM]http://youtu.be/mUZ87TVUCcM[/video]



What Does the Bible Say About Stoning? In the Bible, for What Crimes Was Being Stoned the Punishment?

Stoning is a method of execution during which a group of people, usually peers of the guilty party, throws stones at the condemned person until he or she dies. Death by stoning was prescribed in the Old Testament Law as a punishment for various sins. Both animals and people could be the subjects of stoning (Exodus 21:28), and stoning seems to have been associated with sins that caused irreparable damage to the spiritual or ceremonial purity of a person or an animal.

Some sins that resulted in stoning in the Old Testament were murder (Leviticus 24:17), idolatry (Deuteronomy 17:2–5), approaching near to Mount Sinai while the presence of God was there (Exodus 19:12–13), practicing necromancy or the occult (Leviticus 20:27), and blaspheming the name of the Lord (Leviticus 24:16). Stoning was probably the punishment for various types of sexual sin, as well (Deuteronomy 22:24); the related passages in Leviticus 20 do not specify the method of execution, only that the guilty party was to be “put to death.”

The Mosaic Law specified that, before anyone could be put to death by stoning, there had to be a trial, and at least two witnesses had to testify: “On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness” (Deuteronomy 17:6). Those witnesses “must be the first in putting that person to death, and then the hands of all the people” (verse 7). In other words, those who testified against the condemned person in court had to cast the first stone. Examples of stonings in the Old Testament are the deaths of Achan and his family (Joshua 7:25) and Naboth, who was condemned by false witnesses (1 Kings 21).

Stoning was the method of execution chosen by the unbelieving Jews who persecuted the early Christians. Stephen, the church’s first martyr, was stoned to death outside of Jerusalem by the Sanhedrin. On that occasion, a young man named Saul, who later became the apostle Paul, held the coats of those who cast the stones (Acts 7:54–60).

In another famous passage of Scripture, the Pharisees tried to entrap Jesus into granting approval for the stoning of a woman caught in the act of adultery. Significantly, the adulterous man was absent—the Law prescribed death for both the guilty parties. Jesus’ response is interesting. The woman was clearly guilty, but Jesus understood the duplicity of His enemies. Instead of giving them a direct answer, Jesus turned to those who had dragged the woman before Him and said, “Whichever of you is free from sin, throw the first stone” (John 8:1–11). By this, Jesus is asking for the witnesses to step forward—the witnesses, bound by an oath, were the ones to cast the first stones. He also shows the compassionate heart of God toward the sinner and silences the mob’s hypocritical allegations.

Another mode of execution that was also considered stoning involved throwing the guilty party headlong down a steep place and then rolling a large stone onto the body. This is exactly what a mob in Nazareth tried to do to Jesus after His speech in their synagogue. Hearing His claim to be the Messiah, “they got up, drove [Jesus] out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff” (Luke 4:29). Jesus’ deliverance from this angry mob was miraculous: “He walked right through the crowd and went on his way” (verse 30). It was not the Lord’s time to die (see John 10:18), and He could never have died by stoning because the prophecy said none of His bones would be broken (John 19:36).

Stoning is a horrible way to die. That particular manner of execution must have been a strong deterrent against committing the sins deemed offensive enough to merit stoning. God cares very much about the purity of His people. The strict punishment for sin during the time of the Law helped deter people from adopting the impure practices of their pagan neighbors and rebelling against God. The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), and Israel was given a stern commandment to stay pure: “You must purge the evil from among you” (Deuteronomy 17:7).

 

[tanakh]

Friend, why worry about assembling with other people who don't share the same Beliefs ?
WE (genuine disciples) can have 'spiritual fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ !

A 'Genuine' disciple follows the teachings found in the bible. We are meant to have fellowship with other Christians.
It appears from your comment that you consider most of Christs body to be false because they choose to worship on a different day of the week. It leaves me wondering why you are on this site as you are also having fellowship of a sort with
people who worship on Sunday and in your view are not genuine.

 

[disciplemike]

A 'Genuine' disciple follows the teachings found in the bible. We are meant to have fellowship with other Christians.
It appears from your comment that you consider most of Christs body to be false because they choose to worship on a different day of the week. It leaves me wondering why you are on this site as you are also having fellowship of a sort with
people who worship on Sunday and in your view are not genuine.

I don't think that reasoning works.
For example, there were some fine people living around Jerusalem in the first century who did not accept the Messiah, UNTIL they learned the truth. Not everyone comes to a knowledge of each truth at the same time. I fully believe that the 7th day Sabbath is the truth, but I spent many years in a Sunday church, before I discovered this truth.

 

[beta]

A 'Genuine' disciple follows the teachings found in the bible. We are meant to have fellowship with other Christians.
It appears from your comment that you consider most of Christs body to be false because they choose to worship on a different day of the week. It leaves me wondering why you are on this site as you are also having fellowship of a sort with
people who worship on Sunday and in your view are not genuine.

You are quite right to ask this question,friend !
Let me point you to JESUS....Why did HE associate with sinners when He was not one of them ?

 

[beta]

I don't think that reasoning works.
For example, there were some fine people living around Jerusalem in the first century who did not accept the Messiah, UNTIL they learned the truth. Not everyone comes to a knowledge of each truth at the same time. I fully believe that the 7th day Sabbath is the truth, but I spent many years in a Sunday church, before I discovered this truth.

Same here ! I was raised RC and was one till age 50.