What is sin?
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Of the 613 laws, how many apply to you?
Some of the laws are just for Levites.
Some are just laws for Temple service. (There is no standing Temple at this time.)
Some laws are just for farmers.
Some laws are just for women.
So, you see, it is really not that many that apply to us at this time, especially when you consider we have the Ultimate Sacrifice for our sins in the Messiah.
However, depending on what nation you live in, you are probably subject to thousands of laws by the government.
Most people don't hesitate to obey those.
But what about the commandments of God?
He is a good King, worthy of obedience. I think we all agree there.
Some of the laws are just for Levites.
Some are just laws for Temple service. (There is no standing Temple at this time.)
Some laws are just for farmers.
Some laws are just for women.
So, you see, it is really not that many that apply to us at this time, especially when you consider we have the Ultimate Sacrifice for our sins in the Messiah.
However, depending on what nation you live in, you are probably subject to thousands of laws by the government.
Most people don't hesitate to obey those.
But what about the commandments of God?
He is a good King, worthy of obedience. I think we all agree there.
Law-keepers try to slice and dice the Law up - they love to "take out" the laws that they don't want to do or can't do. James says to break one law is to break them all.
Paul says if one is going to live by the Law they are debtors to live by that total Law and to keep all of it.
Law-keepers continuously break the very Law that they are trying to get Christians to desert their Lord for salvation and life and instead to live by the Law now. Law-keepers have a very low respect for the Law of Moses.
Paul says if one is going to live by the Law they are debtors to live by that total Law and to keep all of it.
Law-keepers continuously break the very Law that they are trying to get Christians to desert their Lord for salvation and life and instead to live by the Law now. Law-keepers have a very low respect for the Law of Moses.
Can you prove this?
Where is the post where I (or anyone else) tried to get anyone to leave Messiah?
Stop the lies.
Why do you have to try and empower your statements with lies?
I have a Savior. Yeshua is the Messiah. I have said this many, many times.
He paid a price I could not pay. So I listen to Him.
When He says, "Do not even think that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets", I listen.
Where is the post where I (or anyone else) tried to get anyone to leave Messiah?
Stop the lies.
Why do you have to try and empower your statements with lies?
I have a Savior. Yeshua is the Messiah. I have said this many, many times.
He paid a price I could not pay. So I listen to Him.
When He says, "Do not even think that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets", I listen.
lovers of the world have no desire to be obedient to the (10) Commandments that our Father
so graciously gave to us upon the mount written by His own finger -
as the ones who were waiting below had no desire to wait upon their God until He finished His Order...
and so it is to this day, the descendants of those who waited in Faith, their descendants have
remained Faithful...
and so it is to this day, the descendants of those who rebelled and gave up their jewels have remained
faithful to their idols/will until this day...
so graciously gave to us upon the mount written by His own finger -
as the ones who were waiting below had no desire to wait upon their God until He finished His Order...
and so it is to this day, the descendants of those who waited in Faith, their descendants have
remained Faithful...
and so it is to this day, the descendants of those who rebelled and gave up their jewels have remained
faithful to their idols/will until this day...
Anyone telling others to keep the Law for living now is telling people to desert Christ. Paul tells us this very thing in Galatians and he calls it - being severed from Christ's grace.
This law-keeper religion is anti-Christ in it's beliefs. It has the "appearance" of good but it is denying the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Here is where Paul says that they Galatians were "deserting Christ" because they were going back to live by the Law instead of Christ Himself.
Paul says that they were "deserting Him". And this Law-keeper religion is a distortion of the gospel of Christ which is why it is anti-Christ.
Remember Paul said that in the last days people would be anti-Christ - NOT anti-God. This Law-keeper religion is anti-Christ but has the "appearance" of being "for God".
Galatians 1:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Here is an example of law-keepers trying to get the gentiles to adhere to following the law after coming to Christ. Trying to keep the law for righteousness makes believers fallen from grace which is why this law-keeper religion is so anti-Christ.
Galatians 5:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.[SUP]4 [/SUP] You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Jesus came to fulfill the Law! ( Matt. 5:17 ) We died with Christ on the cross and when we did - we died to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to another - Christ Himself. His life is how we live now. We can trust Him.
Listen disciplemike - you can believe that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation and I wouldn't care. - but when someone comes and distorts the gospel of Christ to try to seduce people to go back to the Law for living - that's where people like myself and the many others will stand vehemently against this law-keeper religion.
This is where we don't agree sir.
You say obeying God is not for us. I say it is.
Peter warned us about people who would misunderstand Paul, and be caught up in the error of lawless men.
And don't try to tell me "lawless" means those who are trying to keep the law. That is baloney.
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
2 Peter 3:15-17 (ESV2011, MBM)
You say obeying God is not for us. I say it is.
Peter warned us about people who would misunderstand Paul, and be caught up in the error of lawless men.
And don't try to tell me "lawless" means those who are trying to keep the law. That is baloney.
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
2 Peter 3:15-17 (ESV2011, MBM)
One contributer went nuts to this statement
"Sin is the fruit of a lack of relationship with God"
Or the opposite is equally true, walking in love and righteousness is the fruit
of walking with God and being in communion.
I still do not really understand why, but sin is about actions that are evil, and
actions come from the heart and desires. The heart has a desire, it gives
birth to a fantasy and the fantasy to sinful action.
Jesus talked about the heart is where desire arises, and it is the fruit of
the desires, words and actions, that defile us.
If one does not agree with this reality, then there is no value in gaining
a clean heart, a purified and holy life style.
I wonder if one can actually be a follower of Jesus and not understand this
reality.
"Sin is the fruit of a lack of relationship with God"
Or the opposite is equally true, walking in love and righteousness is the fruit
of walking with God and being in communion.
I still do not really understand why, but sin is about actions that are evil, and
actions come from the heart and desires. The heart has a desire, it gives
birth to a fantasy and the fantasy to sinful action.
Jesus talked about the heart is where desire arises, and it is the fruit of
the desires, words and actions, that defile us.
If one does not agree with this reality, then there is no value in gaining
a clean heart, a purified and holy life style.
I wonder if one can actually be a follower of Jesus and not understand this
reality.
This is where you distort things. I never said that obeying God is not for us. In fact, I say the exact opposite. To you "obeying God" is law-keeping which Paul has shown that it is not in the New Covenant and this going back to the law actually makes the grace of Christ of no effect in our lives and it is in fact "deserting Him" - our Lord Jesus Christ.
Obeying God in the New Covenant is found in 1 John 3:23 as I have shown many times.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
There has been enough said for the viewers to be warned about this anti-Christ religion of law-keepers that is trying to be espoused lately. I'll leave it in the hands of the Holy Spirit.
I encourage you disciplemike to come to Christ and trust in Him only for your life and salvation. His love in you will fulfill the whole intent of the law.
The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will show us how to live now. We have died to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to our new husband - the Lord Jesus Christ.
Have a good rest of the night...
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Stop taking one verse and calling it the Word.
To understand Matt 5.19, you left out the most important part:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
To understand Matt 5.19, you left out the most important part:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
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How could Abraham keep something that was even not written yet?
You do know Abraham lived before Moses right?
Abraham's FAITH made him righteous because there was no Law/Torah for him to follow
Paul says in Galatians 3 that the Law came 430 years after Abraham was made righteous by his FAITH, not the Law.
Yo need to read Galatians 3 and Romans 4
You do know Abraham lived before Moses right?
Abraham's FAITH made him righteous because there was no Law/Torah for him to follow
Paul says in Galatians 3 that the Law came 430 years after Abraham was made righteous by his FAITH, not the Law.
Yo need to read Galatians 3 and Romans 4
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If you are going to keep quoting Matt 5.17 quote the WHOLE verse and not just the part that fits your religion.
Did or did not Yeshua haMashiach say: [SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
If Yeshua haMashiach came to fulfill the whole law, then why are you trying to be Yeshua haMashiach?
Did or did not Yeshua haMashiach say: [SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
If Yeshua haMashiach came to fulfill the whole law, then why are you trying to be Yeshua haMashiach?