Deut 7:12-11:25 Moses speaks on OBEDIENCE to the 2nd generation

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FreeNChrist

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Right. So how does reading the Bible and doing the things it says not fit in with that?
My Bible says that I am to live by faith in Jesus Christ. And the interesting thing is that all those other things just seem to get taken care of. Interesting isn't it?
 

KohenMatt

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My Bible says that I am to live by faith in Jesus Christ. And the interesting thing is that all those other things just seem to get taken care of. Interesting isn't it?
I don't doubt or disagree with that at all, but the fact is that you actually need to be doing something physical with your life to demonstrate that you're "living by faith." You need to be living out the practical examples of Scripture. Someone saying they're "living by faith" means nothing unless it's backed up by some sort of evidence. That's where doing the things instructed in the New Testament and Old Testament come in. If we only say we "live by faith" but never take the time to read the Bible to see what that looks like, we don't need the Bible at all. We're just "living by faith."
 
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Right, because if one lives by faith in Christ they will end up murderers and transgendered, eh? Speaks loudly to your opinion of Christ. And you can stop trying to change "living" by faith in Christ to "claiming" and "saying". It's not gonna fly here.
that is just it. faith is not just a mental condition.
faith causes action.
I will show my faith by my works.
 
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that is just it. faith is not just a mental condition.
faith causes action.
I will show my faith by my works.

If you do not keep the whole Law of Moses - then you are violating the whole Law. This is why "law-keepers" have very little respect for the Law. They water it down so that to make it seem it's "do-able" but it is violating the whole Law.

No one is going to fall for your anti-Christ religion here. This is a Christ -based believers forum. This is not a Judaism forum. That's a religion on it's own.

Romans 10:2-5 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
 
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FreeNChrist

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I don't doubt or disagree with that at all, but the fact is that you actually need to be doing something physical with your life to demonstrate that you're "living by faith." You need to be living out the practical examples of Scripture. Someone saying they're "living by faith" means nothing unless it's backed up by some sort of evidence. That's where doing the things instructed in the New Testament and Old Testament come in. If we only say we "live by faith" but never take the time to read the Bible to see what that looks like, we don't need the Bible at all. We're just "living by faith."
Our job is not to "demonstrate" our faith. Our job is to live by faith. You don't agree at all with what I wrote.
 
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FreeNChrist

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that is just it. faith is not just a mental condition.
faith causes action.
I will show my faith by my works.
Faith is just a mental condition? LOL, not even close.
 

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Right. So how does reading the Bible and doing the things it says not fit in with that?
How indeed.

We are to live by faith. And the law is not of faith.

Galatians 3:11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

After we are saved we don't find our obedience in the law. Our obedience is by faith in Christ. We have been redeemed from our failure at the law, at "Gods Instructions".

Galatians 3:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
 

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How indeed.

We are to live by faith. And the law is not of faith.

After we are saved we don't find our obedience in the law. Our obedience is by faith in Christ. We have been redeemed from our failure at the law, at "Gods Instructions".
Our job is not to "demonstrate" our faith. Our job is to live by faith. You don't agree at all with what I wrote.
What does "living by faith" look like on a daily basis?
 

Grandpa

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How do you show blind guides their blindness?

The bible specifically says only The Lord Jesus Christ can do it.

2 Corinthians 3:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

You blind guides haven't been to Christ yet. You claim salvation but are still blinded. How can you have salvation without coming to Christ?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those who work iniquity. The question you need to ask yourself is how am I made Righteous? How am I made into someone who is no longer a worker of iniquity?

Romans 3:21-22

[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
 

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What does "living by faith" look like on a daily basis?
What it doesn't look like is judaism.

The Law is not of faith.

Faith in Christ looks like love. It looks like people trying to give to others what they've received from Christ. If and when they can.
 

KohenMatt

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What it doesn't look like is judaism.

The Law is not of faith.

Faith in Christ looks like love. It looks like people trying to give to others what they've received from Christ. If and when they can.
Who's talking about Judaism? Why even bring that up?
So, what does "love" look like practically? What does "trying to give to others what they've received from Christ" look like practically?
 
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FreeNChrist

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OK, that's a nice description.

What does that look like practically?
You want the false security of rules and regulations, and you can have that. Or you can have Christ by grace through faith. It's strictly either/or.

"Faith never knows where it is being led, but it loves and knows the One who is leading." - Oswald Chambers
 

KohenMatt

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You want the false security of rules and regulations, and you can have that. Or you can have Christ by grace through faith. It's strictly either/or.

"Faith never knows where it is being led, but it loves and knows the One who is leading." - Oswald Chambers
I am legitimately asking how does "faith in Christ" and "love" manifest itself practically?

Or does it just mean floating around life with no instruction from Scripture, waiting for the Spirit to tell you to do something?

Is there ever a benefit to reading the Scriptures, seeing something and saying, "You know, I should start doing that?"
 
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I am legitimately asking how does "faith in Christ" and "love" manifest itself practically?

Or does it just mean floating around life with no instruction from Scripture, waiting for the Spirit to tell you to do something?

Is there ever a benefit to reading the Scriptures, seeing something and saying, "You know, I should start doing that?"
I already answered that. But you are so in bondage to the Law that it meant nothing to you. Just as it did to the Pharisee's who stood right in front of Jesus and thought nothing of Him.

We read the Scriptures to better know and understand the Author. We do not substitute Scripture for Him.




 
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I already answered that. But you are so in bondage to the Law that it meant nothing to you. Just as it did to the Pharisee's who stood right in front of Jesus and thought nothing of Him.
Thou [art] near, O YHVH; and all thy commandments [are] truth.
Psalms 119:151 (KJV, MBM)
 

KohenMatt

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I already answered that. But you are so in bondage to the Law that it meant nothing to you. Just as it did to the Pharisee's who stood right in front of Jesus and thought nothing of Him.

We read the Scriptures to better know and understand the Author. We do not substitute Scripture for Him.
OK then, let's throw the Law completely out of the question.

Is there any value in reading the New Testament and finding practical ways to love others? Or should we avoid that and instead just trust in the Spirit to reveal instructions to us?

Long question short: Does the New Testament provide practical instructions for how Christians are to live?