Deut 7:12-11:25 Moses speaks on OBEDIENCE to the 2nd generation

[Grace777x70]

you confuse the laws of men with the perfect Law of God.
The perfect Law of God is not a burden.


For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.1 John 5:3 (ESV2011, MBM)

come out of Babylon.
hurry.

Again you fail to "see Christ" in your fleshly attempts to keep the Law and you do not understand what the commandments are in the New Covenant.

John tells us exactly what the commandments are in the New Covenant and they are indeed not burdensome. He told us what the commandments were just before he said the commandments of God are not burdensome.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

You continually reject the work of Christ to try to establish your own D.I.Y. righteousness/holiness. This rejection of the Son of God's work on the cross is called "lawlessness". This is an anti-Christ belief system.

Come out of your attempts of law-keeping and come to Christ's sacrifice for you. The Law is a mere shadow of the real thing - which is Christ Himself in us.

You are worshipping a shadow instead of the Lord Himself. You are breaking the very first commandment that you are attempting to live by and it is "lawlessness".

 

[garee]

no, lawless mean without law. it is the people who say laws don't apply to them.
even a kid can understand that.

Which laws the ceremonial as shadows. or the ones that govern the whole planet called, moral .

Has the time of reformation come? Christ came in the flesh and returned to where he came from. Who are you waiting for if not Christ?

 

[FreeNChrist]

It is always good for believers to respond. Yes, we are saved by GRACE, by GRACE only. However, we must always remember the words of Yeshua, "If you love me, you will obey my commandments" obedience to God's WORD is a result OF salvation, NOT in order TO be SAVED. The commandments for Israel, Yes, many of those are NOT for today, especially those that deal with the sacrificial system, the Mishkan (Tabernacle) the Levitical priesthood, Those can not be followed today, yet if we read and study the mitzvoth (commandments) there are still many that are for today. As for the word LAW, it is a misinterpretation, many take it as "Legalism" yet the original meaning for the word LAW, is TORAH, which means "teaching and instruction" so if we say "we are not under the LAW" the real meaning of that would be "We are not under what God teaches us and instructs us to do" really, we aren't ? then under whose instructions and teachings are we under ? We are either following the teachings of Adonai, or HaSatan, can't follow both

Christians are under grace. We have died to and been released from the Law, so that we now serve in the new way of the Spirit (Rom 7:6). It is grace that teaches us to say No to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age (Titus 2:12). Grace achieves what the Law could only demand.

The followers of Satan are those dogs, those evil doers, whose confidence is not in Jesus, but in themselves. They pride themselves on their "law-keeping", and encourage others to follow them in their folly. It is they who we Christians are warned to watch out for and to mark as those we are to have nothing to do with (Phil 3).

 

[disciplemike]

Again you fail to "see Christ" in your fleshly attempts to keep the Law and you do not understand what the commandments are in the New Covenant.

No, you are teaching falsely.
Messiah died for my sins.
I live to obey Him now.
This includes His Sabbaths and Feast Days.
If you teach people against those, it is not good.

 

[KohenMatt]

It is always good for believers to respond. Yes, we are saved by GRACE, by GRACE only. However, we must always remember the words of Yeshua, "If you love me, you will obey my commandments" obedience to God's WORD is a result OF salvation, NOT in order TO be SAVED. The commandments for Israel, Yes, many of those are NOT for today, especially those that deal with the sacrificial system, the Mishkan (Tabernacle) the Levitical priesthood, Those can not be followed today, yet if we read and study the mitzvoth (commandments) there are still many that are for today. As for the word LAW, it is a misinterpretation, many take it as "Legalism" yet the original meaning for the word LAW, is TORAH, which means "teaching and instruction" so if we say "we are not under the LAW" the real meaning of that would be "We are not under what God teaches us and instructs us to do" really, we aren't ? then under whose instructions and teachings are we under ? We are either following the teachings of Adonai, or HaSatan, can't follow both

This is a common tactic of many anti-law folks where the conversation always turns to people using the law for salvation. There seems to be an assumption that anyone following the law is doing so for salvation's sake, which therefore should discount the law altogether.

It grows wearisome to have people say, "You can't be saved by the Law!" No kidding. It was never intended to save.

 

[Grace777x70]

Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.

The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ Gal 3:24

The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.

If someone wants to observe a particular day or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.

It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

 

[FreeNChrist]

This is a common tactic of many anti-law folks where the conversation always turns to people using the law for salvation. There seems to be an assumption that anyone following the law is doing so for salvation's sake, which therefore should discount the law altogether.

It grows wearisome to have people say, "You can't be saved by the Law!" No kidding. It was never intended to save.

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." (Galatians 2:20)

 

[disciplemike]

For a believer to say they do not intend to live by the instructions of God is not good.
We have been lied to and tricked.
God's commandments are for God's people.
Turn back to God. Repent of your sins and trust in the Savior.
After that, the proper response for such a gift is obedience.
Praise God for His master plan!

 

[disciplemike]

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." (Galatians 2:20)

The Messiah did not break His Father's commandments.
He loves His Father and trusts His Father.
If Messiah is (truly) living through you, you will be in full compliance.
Praise be to God and His master plan!

 

[FreeNChrist]

For a believer to say they do not intend to live by the instructions of God is not good.
We have been lied to and tricked.
God's commandments are for God's people.
Turn back to God. Repent of your sins and trust in the Savior.
After that, the proper response for such a gift is obedience.
Praise God for His master plan!

No, it is you who have been tricked, and if you do not come to your senses you will die in your sins and tresspasses. You are attempting to substitute your own self-righteousness for the perfect righteousness of Christ….and God hates that.

 

[LaurenTM]

The Messiah did not break His Father's commandments.
He loves His Father and trusts His Father.
If Messiah is (truly) living through you, you will be in full compliance.
Praise be to God and His master plan!

nonsense

why did Jesus die if we can be in full compliance?

you aren't...that's for sure!!!

 

[FreeNChrist]

The Messiah did not break His Father's commandments.
He loves His Father and trusts His Father.
If Messiah is (truly) living through you, you will be in full compliance.
Praise be to God and His master plan!

If He was in you and living through you, you would understand what it means to live in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

 

[disciplemike]

No, it is you who have been tricked, and if you do not come to your senses you will die in your sins and tresspasses. You are attempting to substitute your own self-righteousness for the perfect righteousness of Christ….and God hates that.

you have no evidence for that claim.
why do you falsely accuse? Isn't that what the adversary does?

I have said many times that Yeshua is my Savior. He died for my sins. I am justified through Messiah. It is a gift of God, not of my works, so I can't boast.
However, the proper response for such a wonderful gift is to obey the King!
Why would you not want to obey your King?

lying is ugly on Christians.

 

[KohenMatt]

This is a common tactic of many anti-law folks where the conversation always turns to people using the law for salvation. There seems to be an assumption that anyone following the law is doing so for salvation's sake, which therefore should discount the law altogether.

It grows wearisome to have people say, "You can't be saved by the Law!" No kidding. It was never intended to save.

For a believer to say they do not intend to live by the instructions of God is not good.
We have been lied to and tricked.
God's commandments are for God's people.
Turn back to God. Repent of your sins and trust in the Savior.
After that, the proper response for such a gift is obedience.
Praise God for His master plan!

No, it is you who have been tricked, and if you do not come to your senses you will die in your sins and tresspasses. You are attempting to substitute your own self-righteousness for the perfect righteousness of Christ….and God hates that.

Case in point.

 

[disciplemike]

nonsense

why did Jesus die if we can be in full compliance?

you aren't...that's for sure!!!

that is not what I said. I said, IF Messiah is (truly) living through you, you will be in full compliance.
why do you people try to deceive so much?
it is ugly on Christians.

 

[FreeNChrist]

you have no evidence for that claim.
why do you falsely accuse? Isn't that what the adversary does?

I have said many times that Yeshua is my Savior. He died for my sins. I am justified through Messiah. It is a gift of God, not of my works, so I can't boast.
However, the proper response for such a wonderful gift is to obey the King!
Why would you not want to obey your King?

lying is ugly on Christians.

If that is true then why are you relying on yourself and your law keeping, instead of Jesus?? That is not obedience, that is disobedience.

 

[disciplemike]

If that is true then why are you relying on yourself and your law keeping, instead of Jesus?? That is not obedience, that is disobedience.

again with your filthy lies.
who said I am relying on my law-keeping?
stop lying and using deception to try and make yourself look "right".
get off the pride.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Messiah did not break His Father's commandments.
He loves His Father and trusts His Father.
If Messiah is (truly) living through you, you will be in full compliance.
Praise be to God and His master plan!

Jesus was born under the Law to redeem those that were under the Law - the Jews . Jesus fulfilled the whole Law and we are in Him now. You always leave out Christ's work to substitute it for what you do and thus violate the law of Christ.

And you are a Gentile despite the fact that you try to change yourself into being Jewish - which means you were never under the Law of Moses and will never be.

This "lawlessness" of denying the work of Christ to establish your own righteousness by what you do to keep the Law is anti-Christ in it's beliefs.

Going back to the Law for life and living is committing spiritual adultery on the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 7:1-6

 

[FreeNChrist]

Case in point.

The "case in point" is the substitution of yourself and your living by law-keeping for living by faith in Jesus Christ. And worse, coming onto a Christian forum and encouraging others to follow you down into that pit along with you.

 

[disciplemike]

This "lawlessness" of denying the work of Christ to establish your own righteousness by what you do to keep the Law is anti-Christ in it's beliefs.

wrong.

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of *lawlessness.’Matthew 7:23 (ESV2011, MBM)
*lawlessness = G458, anomia (an-om-ee'-ah) n. 1. illegality, i.e. violation of law