Not all the gifts have ceased .Just the ones that involve new prophecy, the substance of a tongue.
Existing prophecy (the perfect) is still used to prophecy( the gift) by those who bring the gospel, hoping those who hear it, mix it with faith (the unseen) not that seen personal experiences.
The perfect (prophecy) gives us the complete revelation of God with no laws missing by which we could know him more intimately. . It is a faith gift, spiritual, not seen. Tongues, are a warning against those who do not believe the prophecy but look to some work they could do outwardly according to their own flesh to give them the confidence they are children of God . It is something I believe, a believer could get caught up in as being led astray .
Spiritual gifts are gifts not seen and neither are recognized by that which one experiences outwardly.(walking by sight)
That I believe can be viewed in respect to the trial of Christ's faith in Mathew 4 .This is when as the father prepared him for the priestly ministry. Having been baptized by John from the tribe of Levi needed as a an officiator to baptize Jesus from the tribe of Judah so he could be minister. Being obedient, fulfilling the old testament purifying, ceremonial law required when a new priest entered the ministry .The purpose of baptism, for the whole kingdom of priest (the believers).
It like tongues, it is not a personal sign as evidence a person has the Holy Spirit. Again there is no outward sign just an inward change of heart according to a new spirit hopefully and by that spirit we cry out Abba Father in our time of need..
This is when Christ as the son of man which spoke of the temporal flesh experienced seeing all the Kingdom of the world and all their glory without moving one inch in the sand .Something some call out of body experiences but is simply demons bringing in lying signs and wonders.
Christ believed not but said again and again ,as it is written (no outward sign, save the sign of Jonah)
Existing prophecy (the perfect) is still used to prophecy( the gift) by those who bring the gospel, hoping those who hear it, mix it with faith (the unseen) not that seen personal experiences.
The perfect (prophecy) gives us the complete revelation of God with no laws missing by which we could know him more intimately. . It is a faith gift, spiritual, not seen. Tongues, are a warning against those who do not believe the prophecy but look to some work they could do outwardly according to their own flesh to give them the confidence they are children of God . It is something I believe, a believer could get caught up in as being led astray .
Spiritual gifts are gifts not seen and neither are recognized by that which one experiences outwardly.(walking by sight)
That I believe can be viewed in respect to the trial of Christ's faith in Mathew 4 .This is when as the father prepared him for the priestly ministry. Having been baptized by John from the tribe of Levi needed as a an officiator to baptize Jesus from the tribe of Judah so he could be minister. Being obedient, fulfilling the old testament purifying, ceremonial law required when a new priest entered the ministry .The purpose of baptism, for the whole kingdom of priest (the believers).
It like tongues, it is not a personal sign as evidence a person has the Holy Spirit. Again there is no outward sign just an inward change of heart according to a new spirit hopefully and by that spirit we cry out Abba Father in our time of need..
This is when Christ as the son of man which spoke of the temporal flesh experienced seeing all the Kingdom of the world and all their glory without moving one inch in the sand .Something some call out of body experiences but is simply demons bringing in lying signs and wonders.
Christ believed not but said again and again ,as it is written (no outward sign, save the sign of Jonah)
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So the perfect is the Bible, is that what you're saying? Paul said that when the perfect comes we would no longer see as through a glass, darkly, but rather "face to face". Have you seen God face to face? This is what the expression refers to. When the perfect comes "we will know even as we are fully known". We are fully known by God. Do you know this fully?
I was asking Roger how many perfects there are. How many do you think there are? That was really my question.