Many are not as passionate about the word of God as you because they really don't have anything they can defend to be the pure words of God without error. None will defend the ESV, NASB, NIV, NKJV, etc.., because they know those are not the words of God without error. They have no final authority to appeal.
Why the king james?
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...or we just don't feel like having the same tired old debate over and over...and over and over...and over and over again. People are different and have different reasons for doing or not doing certain things or holding or not holding certain beliefs. To lump people into one category or another minimizes them and you.
You are free to read the above statement and discern from it that I read (insert Bible translation here) so you can minimize my words or to try and bait me into a debate. It is up to you. Do as you will.
You are free to read the above statement and discern from it that I read (insert Bible translation here) so you can minimize my words or to try and bait me into a debate. It is up to you. Do as you will.
First let me apologize for what you called arrogance. I will not deny that it is well founded. I am a very passionate person especial when I am defending something I am really passionate about. I have lots of experience in debating in mostly secular topics with no holes bared, nevertheless, there is no excuse for being rude under any circumstances. It is not essential that we agree on our bible of choice but we can be civil about it. I should have known that you were a lady, but I did not pay any attention to your profile and was thinking of a person I previously debated. In my response I was again arrogant in remarking it would not have made a difference if I had known you were a lady, but it would have. I am new to this web sight, but I am not using it as an excuse. I hope this will shine a more favorite light on me because it is very important to me if you do.
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Actually I didn't say the words arrogant and condescending at all (see the first post just above),
thats the problem with KJV people they can't read unless some thees, thous and thys are added
to the script.
So I will try to translate for you:
She ist a most gracious person, well educated, knowest far more about Hebrew/Greek than most
on here, doth work as a hospital chaplain and mucheth much more. How presumptuous though
art to thinketh you knoweth a person just after reading a few sentences in a couple of weeks.
I must admiteth I don't know thee but thou words show a deepeth disrespect for women and thou art
definately no gentleman by any stretcheth of the imagination.
I'm so joyous the Holy Spirit is not limited to speaking only Shakespearian Antiquated English.
thats the problem with KJV people they can't read unless some thees, thous and thys are added
to the script.
So I will try to translate for you:
She ist a most gracious person, well educated, knowest far more about Hebrew/Greek than most
on here, doth work as a hospital chaplain and mucheth much more. How presumptuous though
art to thinketh you knoweth a person just after reading a few sentences in a couple of weeks.
I must admiteth I don't know thee but thou words show a deepeth disrespect for women and thou art
definately no gentleman by any stretcheth of the imagination.
I'm so joyous the Holy Spirit is not limited to speaking only Shakespearian Antiquated English.
I understand being passionate about something, and I admire that trait in people.
The reason most people don't rush to "defend" their translation is because they/we see no need to do so.
I believe the word of God has been preserved exactly the way He wanted it to be. Many translations, with all of the mainstream translations being perfectly good and accurate.
Some are better for simple reading, and others are better suited for serious study, but are slightly more difficult to "follow".
I do not believe there is only ONE "inspired" or "perfect" translation.
THAT is why I don't rabidly defend "my" translation choice.
The reason most people don't rush to "defend" their translation is because they/we see no need to do so.
I believe the word of God has been preserved exactly the way He wanted it to be. Many translations, with all of the mainstream translations being perfectly good and accurate.
Some are better for simple reading, and others are better suited for serious study, but are slightly more difficult to "follow".
I do not believe there is only ONE "inspired" or "perfect" translation.
THAT is why I don't rabidly defend "my" translation choice.
The different versions contain different words, different truths. They all can't be the word of God. God is not the author of confusion. Either one of them is the preserved words of God or none of them are. There can't be more than one. Now I would agree most contain the salvation message, but I need more to grow and truth to defend against this world.
no, no, no. see, here is the problem, you can say the same thing without using the same words. for example, telling a person that is running to stop running, or saying to them " you need to start walking instead of running ", is the same thing, but expressed in different words. thus the same thing applies to Bible versions.
as long as the message is about Jesus, that is what is most important.
as long as the message is about Jesus, that is what is most important.
i believe the KJV is a translation of the inspired word of God into ((a 400 year old version of)) English.
one of many. each with its own virtues and flaws.
one of many. each with its own virtues and flaws.
These "revisions" of the King James text were not like the changes that the new versions make in the Bible. The corrupt new versions make changes that omit words, phrases and complete verses. The changes in the King James Bible were merely to correct things such as standardized spelling and typographical errors. The context of the King James Bible has never once been changed.
Since 1611, there have been standardized spelling changes in the King James Bible. In the early editions of the KJB, words like "bear," "dark" and "fear" had the letter "e" on end of them. Words like "mooued," "bee" and "mee" were changed into "moved," "be" and "me." These changes made no change in the context or in any doctrine.
Since 1611, there have been standardized spelling changes in the King James Bible. In the early editions of the KJB, words like "bear," "dark" and "fear" had the letter "e" on end of them. Words like "mooued," "bee" and "mee" were changed into "moved," "be" and "me." These changes made no change in the context or in any doctrine.
Just to clarify, I did not call "author" or anyone else arrogant. Not have I told anyone that they should not read the translation of their choice or many translations. The Holy Spirit will lead people. One thing does concern me, and that is the problem that a very archaic translation has words which meant one thing in 1611 mean something different in 2016. English, that is.
Somewhere in the last days in the BDF I saw someone say that we should all be perfect, based on the KJV. Sadly, it is not an accurate translation of telos anymore, and has led people to believe a very false doctrine, that in fact could either lead them away from God when they got frustrated they could not attain perfection in this life (only Jesus was perfect in this flesh, on the earth) or conversely, lead to the arrogant doctrine of sinless perfection, which resulted in endless threads a few years ago by people who believed this lie.
Anyway, an apology that was given is certainly accepted! In fact, I read backwards from this page, finding the kind defense of me by Miri and others (sorry no rep options for you right now!)
I will say I am not perfect, but always filled with the joy at the work God is doing in my life and others, to transform us all into the image of Christ, which will be complete when we see him face to face! (1 John 3:2 & 1 Cor 13:12)
And yes, it is true I have never been able to get through the KJV, although I have read more than 10 Other English translations, French, Spanish and the NT in Greek and parts of the OT in Hebrew. But I will say, back when I went to Baptist Sunday School as a 5-8 year old, I memorized hundreds of verses in KJ English, which God used to bring me back to him when I was 26.
So God's Word does not return void, provided we understand what we were reading and/or memorizing!
Somewhere in the last days in the BDF I saw someone say that we should all be perfect, based on the KJV. Sadly, it is not an accurate translation of telos anymore, and has led people to believe a very false doctrine, that in fact could either lead them away from God when they got frustrated they could not attain perfection in this life (only Jesus was perfect in this flesh, on the earth) or conversely, lead to the arrogant doctrine of sinless perfection, which resulted in endless threads a few years ago by people who believed this lie.
Anyway, an apology that was given is certainly accepted! In fact, I read backwards from this page, finding the kind defense of me by Miri and others (sorry no rep options for you right now!)
I will say I am not perfect, but always filled with the joy at the work God is doing in my life and others, to transform us all into the image of Christ, which will be complete when we see him face to face! (1 John 3:2 & 1 Cor 13:12)
And yes, it is true I have never been able to get through the KJV, although I have read more than 10 Other English translations, French, Spanish and the NT in Greek and parts of the OT in Hebrew. But I will say, back when I went to Baptist Sunday School as a 5-8 year old, I memorized hundreds of verses in KJ English, which God used to bring me back to him when I was 26.
So God's Word does not return void, provided we understand what we were reading and/or memorizing!
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I say what I am going to say merely to make a statement. It is not intended, nor should it be implied that I am saying anything other than the following:
I don't have any issues with understanding the language of the KJV. I don't find it to be antiquated nor cumbersome. Personal pronouns like Thee, Thy, Thou, Thine are singular. Pronouns beginning with "Y" such as Ye, You, Your are plural.
I don't have any issues with understanding the language of the KJV. I don't find it to be antiquated nor cumbersome. Personal pronouns like Thee, Thy, Thou, Thine are singular. Pronouns beginning with "Y" such as Ye, You, Your are plural.