Apostle Paul On Tongues In 1 Corinthians
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Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Don't be fooled, the passage in the Book of Joel which she quoted is about the tribulation timing, not today. When Peter in Acts 2 quoted from Joel 2 and said "this is that...", he was saying the cloven tongue event on Pentecost was an 'example'... of the event prophesied in Joel. Here that event actually is, being explained to the elect by our Lord Jesus...
Mark 13:11
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
KJV
The main purpose of the cloven tongue of Pentecost is for the tribulation when some of Christ's elect are delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony against them by The Holy Spirit! That is its main purpose for the last days!
But strange it is, those who speak a gibberish tongue, claiming it is the cloven tongue of Pentecost, instead seek to fly away to escape the tribulation, instead of preparing themselves for this duty for Christ????
Mark 13:11
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
KJV
The main purpose of the cloven tongue of Pentecost is for the tribulation when some of Christ's elect are delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony against them by The Holy Spirit! That is its main purpose for the last days!
But strange it is, those who speak a gibberish tongue, claiming it is the cloven tongue of Pentecost, instead seek to fly away to escape the tribulation, instead of preparing themselves for this duty for Christ????
It would seem to be another of the results of walking by sight and not by faith. Somewhere along the line someone added another sign to have some assurance outwardly a person had the Holy Spirit or was being energized called being slain in the spirit. If you would look for that sign in the scripture, falling back or fall backward indicates a person is under the judgement of God .How or why that sign gift came about I am not sure. It is accompanied with the laying on of hands another what some would call a sign gift putting their hope in something they can do outwardly as a work God has set his approval on..
Falling backwards in all Biblical cases, happened to God's enemies, not God's people.
When God's Presence came into contact with His servants, they went to ground in awe, but didn't fall backwards. Falling backwards per the OT was a sign of deception. God's servants didn't roll on the floor either, nor make animal noises, nor went into uncontrollable laughter.
When God's Presence came into contact with His servants, they went to ground in awe, but didn't fall backwards. Falling backwards per the OT was a sign of deception. God's servants didn't roll on the floor either, nor make animal noises, nor went into uncontrollable laughter.
Good way to look at it at he does the unseen work energizing not the dividing as to who has the Spirit of Christ or not as evidenced by walking by sight after a work someone claims they are performing.
I would think because God is not served by human hands he can use a unbeliever to accomplish his good purposes.
I would think because God is not served by human hands he can use a unbeliever to accomplish his good purposes.
I see that speaking as to the hearing of prophecy with the emphasis on hearing coming from God seeing he does the work of interpreting it and bringing His thoughts as to what is interpreted. Peter receives no credit for being moved to both will and do His good pleasure and neither would the one who hears the prophecy in their own tongue. .
It’s altogether a revelation accredited to God. All manner of new revelations,(God’s interpretations )called prophecy have ceased. Today a prophet simply declares the perfect as the complete will. They to include the word seen spoken of by Peter in the scriptures are gift from God not from men. God is not served by human hands as wills .
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
While I am no theologian but the words “unto” used twice in the KJV in respect to that verse there is no entry in the Strong’s lexicon for “onto” . I think it would work better if it was “from” as I paraphrased it below.
For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not from men, but from God who inspires men: for no man understands the man; be it as you may in the spirit God reveals mysteries (prophecy) in another language .
In other words when God was still bringing new revelations as His interpretation a person would be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be a secret until he reveals its understanding or interpretation .
There is no entry for the second use of the word “Speaketh” in the Strongs’s lexicon or the word him as to who .And is why I would think the word he used the second time could pertain to God, as God reveals mysteries.
It’s altogether a revelation accredited to God. All manner of new revelations,(God’s interpretations )called prophecy have ceased. Today a prophet simply declares the perfect as the complete will. They to include the word seen spoken of by Peter in the scriptures are gift from God not from men. God is not served by human hands as wills .
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
While I am no theologian but the words “unto” used twice in the KJV in respect to that verse there is no entry in the Strong’s lexicon for “onto” . I think it would work better if it was “from” as I paraphrased it below.
For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not from men, but from God who inspires men: for no man understands the man; be it as you may in the spirit God reveals mysteries (prophecy) in another language .
In other words when God was still bringing new revelations as His interpretation a person would be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be a secret until he reveals its understanding or interpretation .
There is no entry for the second use of the word “Speaketh” in the Strongs’s lexicon or the word him as to who .And is why I would think the word he used the second time could pertain to God, as God reveals mysteries.
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well, there are phonies in every situation and those who can't tell the difference
for example, your avatar...is that what you really look like?
do I look like a field of sunflowers?
do you believe that Jesus was a murderer if someone who says they are a Christian says they hear voices and Jesus tells them to kill?
your little one liner is just disdainful and very insulting to quite a few believers here and you may think you are being smart by this comment, but you are creating a reputation that will be hard to step down from
after 17 posts, I don't think you are qualified to start mocking because a few others do that
you can mock tongues all you want, but you are equally mocking the third Person of the Trinity and He knows what is and what is not real
L
actually, yes it does
tongues are actually a sign gift
casting out demons is a sign...however, not a gift
but all these experts on tongues would most likely flee like the 7 sons of Sceva if they had to deal with one
a gospel without the power of God is not really a New Testament gospel...it is a man-made gospel whether or not those who practice it realize it
tongues are actually a sign gift
casting out demons is a sign...however, not a gift
but all these experts on tongues would most likely flee like the 7 sons of Sceva if they had to deal with one
a gospel without the power of God is not really a New Testament gospel...it is a man-made gospel whether or not those who practice it realize it
O
Perhaps you can give me some insight as to why you understand 1 Cor 14:2 to be Paul actually advocating speaking to God in an unknown language? Why would God desire such a thing? Jesus taught the disciples to pray but not in tongues?
I confess that the idea of speaking to God in a language I do not comprehend sounds very pagan. The God I know and worship and Who has saved my soul speaks to me from His word through His Spirit and never in a language I do not comprehend.
Is my experience outside the norm?
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I confess that the idea of speaking to God in a language I do not comprehend sounds very pagan. The God I know and worship and Who has saved my soul speaks to me from His word through His Spirit and never in a language I do not comprehend.
Is my experience outside the norm?
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The way that you interpret those gifts without a doubt.
All the prophecy from God has been given and recorded in the bible. Opened to our understanding by the Holy Spirit but no new prophecy is forth coming.
Tongues as unknown languages remains an error of those who have been deceived by the new age mystics and shamans who have crept into modern churches.
Knowledge is now obtained by study of Gods word with the leading of the Holy Spirit. In the apostolic church it was fishermen who proclaimed the gospel to the religious leaders of the time. Without formal education they carried the day and souls were saved out of Judaism.
I know that won't fit your paradigm but it's what Gods word says.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
All the prophecy from God has been given and recorded in the bible. Opened to our understanding by the Holy Spirit but no new prophecy is forth coming.
Tongues as unknown languages remains an error of those who have been deceived by the new age mystics and shamans who have crept into modern churches.
Knowledge is now obtained by study of Gods word with the leading of the Holy Spirit. In the apostolic church it was fishermen who proclaimed the gospel to the religious leaders of the time. Without formal education they carried the day and souls were saved out of Judaism.
I know that won't fit your paradigm but it's what Gods word says.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Thank you, notuptome.
1 Corinthians 13:
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:8 says nothing about the manifestation of interpretation of tongues.
How can the manifestation of interpretation of tongues be active if [according to you] the manifestation of tongues has ceased?
Perhaps that which is perfect in 1 Cor 13:10 does not relate to completed Scripture but to a yet future event --- when we shall know even as also [we] are known and when we shall see face to face (1 Cor 13:12).
1 Corinthians 13:
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:8 says nothing about the manifestation of interpretation of tongues.
How can the manifestation of interpretation of tongues be active if [according to you] the manifestation of tongues has ceased?
Perhaps that which is perfect in 1 Cor 13:10 does not relate to completed Scripture but to a yet future event --- when we shall know even as also [we] are known and when we shall see face to face (1 Cor 13:12).