many wives is this a sin?

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AuntieAnt

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Your response about Jesus is irrelevant.
And there you have it. They don't want to hear about Jesus, they want you to focus on the carnal, the intellectual, the world.

Paul claimed to know nothing among the believers except Christ and him crucified. Jesus Christ can’t be recognized according to the flesh. We have a lot of fleshy explanations that have to be put to death.

We’ve been given the mind of Christ, and yet we too often insist on listening with the ears of logic. Trying to figure everything out when God has everything engineered already in Christ. It’s finished.

The world’s wisdom demands that we need to take care of business because it believes that nothing will happen unless WE do it. The logic of the fleshly mind scoffs at the absurdity that any real value is found in the expectation of God’s promise. That old logic can accept a BALANCE between flesh and spirit, but it’s nothing more than lip-service, which is the basis of religion.

Speak of freedom in Christ and watch the red flags go up. It is a shame that we miss the freedom of being free because we keep listening to people focused on flesh and sin. When you are focused on Jesus, you are not focused on sin, law, flesh, or the world.

Whatever God had actually spoken to individuals in times past - whether recorded or not - ultimately testified of Christ, who is the EVERYTHING of God. Christians whose perspective is on collected written words forces them to serve a textbook or owner's manual or as some call it: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. That is how the mindset instigates the same concepts and reactions as it did with the Pharisees when Jesus walked among them.

Folks:
We were in darkness, now we are in Light.
We were dead in sins, now we are alive to God through Christ.
We were opposed to righteousness, now we are righteousness.
We were unbelieving, now we are believers through HIM.
We were impure, now we have been made pure.
It is finished. Jesus Christ reigns in us.

Any person who insists on focusing on the flesh, on sin, on the world, on laws, on traditions of men, is not walking in the spirit and does not care what the will of God is. They are self-motivated and can only speak about fleshly things.

Don’t think it’s strange that this thread keeps being commandeered by one imposter after another. They are blind trolls (guides) and have no idea what they’re doing. They keep leading you up a rabbit trail of flesh and want you to follow them around like sheep. Their motive is fleshly, demonic, and ignorant of God. Stop following them.

But we have the mind of Christ. :eek:
 

lv2ski

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No, these women were NOT called out as sinful. They were chosen by God that he might be glorified. Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, "I don't condemn you." The book of Hebrews does not mention Rahab the saint, but Rahab the harlot. And not once did Jesus say to the Samaritan woman at the well, "Ditch those men and I will be your Lord." He said, "I know who you are." Because she believed he was Lord and perceived her for real, her testimony evangelized her town.

The problem is when we think we have to figure it all out intellectually, in our own understanding. Our thoughts are not God's thoughts. If you have the mind of Christ, there's no need to figure anything out. The Lord reigns, that's all we need to know.

All you need do is look at your own life, how God uses you no matter if you think you're worthy or not. You belong to Christ, you don't belong to yourself anymore.
No! They as well as us, are saved as we respond in repentance, just like Zacccheus. What he did was fruit to what Jesus
had done in him. Jesus calls and draws, but we must answer and respond.

Your position sounds like Calvanism.
 
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No! They as well as us, are saved as we respond in repentance, just like Zacccheus. What he did was fruit to what Jesus
had done in him. Jesus calls and draws, but we must answer and respond.

Your position sounds like Calvanism.
Eeeek! No way Jose, I am not for Calvinism at all. Actually, Calvinists don't like me at all. I am saying that the message is Christ and people keep making it a message about how people cleaned themselves up. Nope!

It is a spiritual life, not a fleshly one. Of course we know in our hearts that those women were called of God and their lives were changed. But the message is still a spiritual one ~ Jesus Christ.

There's no way we can take the Bible and try to incorporate it into our lives in an intellectual way. The flesh receives nothing from God because it's impossible. Did you hear that? IMPOSSIBLE! Either we surrender these ditzy immature squabbles and vain babblings about what sin is, what sin was, who sinned and who didn't, or we miss the reality of Jesus Christ now. :D
 

Tommy379

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It's been stated that this practice was done and might be done in the future due to circumstances of poverty, etc...

Actually the Christ like thing6according to God's Word, yes OT and NT, is to care for the orphan, widow and the stranger. The Bible mentions this40 times in scripture. Not to marry them.

Jesus said to help those6Who love you and return payment is not praiseworthy,but rather to help and care for those who cannot pay you Back. This is commendable before God.

It's pagan to only help when you get something out of it. The Lord wwould have us to help them with no strings attached. Like marriage could be a payment of sorts.
No that earlier comment was about when a large amount of men were killed off through warfare, which was common during the stone and bronze age. When you get to a point where there are 20 or more females to every male, something has to be done because you are about to lose your nation, tribe, society, or culture.
 

lv2ski

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Eeeek! No way Jose, I am not for Calvinism at all. Actually, Calvinists don't like me at all. I am saying that the message is Christ and people keep making it a message about how people cleaned themselves up. Nope!

It is a spiritual life, not a fleshly one. Of course we know in our hearts that those women were called of God and their lives were changed. But the message is still a spiritual one ~ Jesus Christ.

There's no way we can take the Bible and try to incorporate it into our lives in an intellectual way. The flesh receives nothing from God because it's impossible. Did you hear that? IMPOSSIBLE! Either we surrender these ditzy immature squabbles and vain babblings about what sin is, what sin was, who sinned and who didn't, or we miss the reality of Jesus Christ now. :D
I'm not Suggesting any freshly change on their part. There is no strength in the flesh. Your long post sounded like it was God's will for them to be in sin that all. Which isn't correct, He calls us out at which point, He to His glory uses us wear we are, as we follow Him on repentance.

There are so many heretics on this site, I've become sensitive doctrinally more than normal.
 
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AuntieAnt

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It's either exalting Jesus Christ as Lord, or it's something else being exalted. Those are the only two choices we have: flesh or Christ. The world either sees Christ Jesus alive in us, or they see our flesh.

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AuntieAnt

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I'm not Suggesting any freshly change on their part. There is no strength in the flesh. Your long post sounded like it was God's will for them to be in sin that all. Which isn't correct, He calls us out at which point, He to His glory uses us wear we are, as we follow Him on repentance.

There are so many heretics on this site, I've become sensitive doctrinally more than normal.
No doubt. I agree with you about the heretics... and trolls and religious extremists, too. I understand where you're coming from. All I'm saying is so many people exalt everything under the sun except for Jesus Christ and that's what I was addressing. Thanks for explaining, brother. :)
 

lv2ski

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No that earlier comment was about when a large amount of men were killed off through warfare, which was common during the stone and bronze age. When you get to a point where there are 20 or more females to every male, something has to be done because you are about to lose your nation, tribe, society, or culture.
Whatever?! For nations that are in opposition to God, then maybe that's part of their judgement. But not for the people who are His. We are to be a peculiar people.
 

lv2ski

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No doubt. I agree with you about the heretics... and trolls and religious extremists, too. I understand where you're coming from. All I'm saying is so many people exalt everything under the sun except for Jesus Christ and that's what I was addressing. Thanks for explaining, brother. :)
Cool. Shalom!
 
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Truly I tell you, unless you change your mind and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
 

Angela53510

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I haven't read the last part of this thread, but I was reading another thread by the same OP. So not totally sure if this has already been touched on. If it has, just ignore this post!

It occurs to me that Watcher's impassioned defense of polygamy and "4" wives specifically must come out of his own life. Specifically, is he a polygamist, trying to justify his own lifestyle? Not sure if that is break away Mormon, (regular Mormans don't follow polygamy anymore) or Muslim, or just something he likes to do.

So will the OP definitley say yes, or no, he is a polygamist?
 
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AuntieAnt

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I haven't read the last part of this thread, but I was reading another thread by the same OP. So not totally sure if this has already been touched on. If it has, just ignore this post!

It occurs to me that Watcher's impassioned defense of polygamy and "4" wives specifically must come out of his own life. Specifically, is he a polygamist, trying to justify his own lifestyle? Not sure if that is break away Mormon, (regular Mormans don't follow polygamy anymore) or Muslim, or just something he likes to do.

So will the OP definitley say yes, or no, he is a polygamist?
Actually Sister Angela, a better question would be: Is his desire to exalt Jesus Christ alone (spiritually minded), or does he desire to exalt his own understanding according to the flesh, (carnally minded)?

Any response he makes to that question would determine his motive.
 

Magenta

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He did identify that the questions were to help an ex Islamic with
multiple wives deal with his situation after they have come to Christ.
Whether it is he or another remains somewhat shrouded in mystery.
 
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AuntieAnt

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Not sure if that is break away Mormon, (regular Mormans don't follow polygamy anymore) or Muslim, or just something he likes to do.
Amen! I thought the same thing, Angela. Particularly because of his lifeless posts filled with nothing but pharisaical tactics, his troll characteristics, disregarding reason & truth, using repetition to validate himself, religious beliefs as opposed to spiritual wisdom, focused on men and not God. I mean, he's waving red flags all over the place.
 

trofimus

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The Bible teaches you know them their works. Jesus said that you know a tree by it's fruit. Jesus is/was God. Who changes not from OT to NT. What changed between the testaments was how and that we can now approach God personally, rather than through another man, who dies and isn't God in human flesh.

That said: God only brings a man one wife. That is what we see in scripture. When the multiplication starts, you will find it says that that particular man "took for himself_____(for a wife) not and God sent him another.

If you have ears to hear, Deut17:17 clearly says that kings are not to multiply wives, lest they turn their hearts away from Me. How honestly can you serve God effectively in life, home,family and worship with multiple wives and 20 or 30 kids. Back then, if you had sex, you had kids. It's not even practical.

Biblically,anyone who's a leader in the kingdom of God is required to be an example.
Jesus was talking about false prophets/teachers.

Its very easy to cut off some Bible verse from its context and to apply it where we wish to... but it is not so.

Of course it is not good for a king to spend all day in sexual relations or to concentrate his mind on getting more and more riches.

But you cant say you proved that for example two wives are forbidden.
 
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lv2ski

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I haven't read the last part of this thread, but I was reading another thread by the same OP. So not totally sure if this has already been touched on. If it has, just ignore this post!

It occurs to me that Watcher's impassioned defense of polygamy and "4" wives specifically must come out of his own life. Specifically, is he a polygamist, trying to justify his own lifestyle? Not sure if that is break away Mormon, (regular Mormans don't follow polygamy anymore) or Muslim, or just something he likes to do.

So will the OP definitley say yes, or no, he is a polygamist?
He is always on the opposing side of "Sound Doctrine."

His advice and commentary is not usually in keeping with scripture. Be careful on that one.
 

trofimus

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And there you have it. They don't want to hear about Jesus, they want you to focus on the carnal, the intellectual, the world.

Paul claimed to know nothing among the believers except Christ and him crucified. Jesus Christ can’t be recognized according to the flesh. We have a lot of fleshy explanations that have to be put to death.

We’ve been given the mind of Christ, and yet we too often insist on listening with the ears of logic. Trying to figure everything out when God has everything engineered already in Christ. It’s finished.

The world’s wisdom demands that we need to take care of business because it believes that nothing will happen unless WE do it. The logic of the fleshly mind scoffs at the absurdity that any real value is found in the expectation of God’s promise. That old logic can accept a BALANCE between flesh and spirit, but it’s nothing more than lip-service, which is the basis of religion.

Speak of freedom in Christ and watch the red flags go up. It is a shame that we miss the freedom of being free because we keep listening to people focused on flesh and sin. When you are focused on Jesus, you are not focused on sin, law, flesh, or the world.

Whatever God had actually spoken to individuals in times past - whether recorded or not - ultimately testified of Christ, who is the EVERYTHING of God. Christians whose perspective is on collected written words forces them to serve a textbook or owner's manual or as some call it: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. That is how the mindset instigates the same concepts and reactions as it did with the Pharisees when Jesus walked among them.

Folks:
We were in darkness, now we are in Light.
We were dead in sins, now we are alive to God through Christ.
We were opposed to righteousness, now we are righteousness.
We were unbelieving, now we are believers through HIM.
We were impure, now we have been made pure.
It is finished. Jesus Christ reigns in us.

Any person who insists on focusing on the flesh, on sin, on the world, on laws, on traditions of men, is not walking in the spirit and does not care what the will of God is. They are self-motivated and can only speak about fleshly things.

Don’t think it’s strange that this thread keeps being commandeered by one imposter after another. They are blind trolls (guides) and have no idea what they’re doing. They keep leading you up a rabbit trail of flesh and want you to follow them around like sheep. Their motive is fleshly, demonic, and ignorant of God. Stop following them.

But we have the mind of Christ. :eek:
You have quoted one my sentence taken from its content and built a nonsense on it - "you dont want to hear about Jesus".

If you would be more fair, you would see that I said that it is irrelevant to the topic of this thread, which is - Did David etc break any commandment.

Why is the group defending monogamy in OT so judging others?
 
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AuntieAnt

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He did identify that the questions were to help an ex Islamic with
multiple wives deal with his situation after they have come to Christ.
Whether it is he or another remains somewhat shrouded in mystery.
Suuuuuuuuuuure. :rolleyes:

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avoid foolish questions