Can Islam Coexist with the West?

[kaylagrl]

I know many of you dont prefer to watch videos but I cant really give a description of the video,you have to watch it. I can't remember who alerted me to this man in the video but for those of you who watch I'd appreciate your opinion of what he is saying. As voting comes nearer its very important to understand world issues. Are we going to go the way of Europe,sit down and fold our hands or will be wake up? I hope this link works...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0hoyJF3CU

 

[Dude653]

Check out Bill Maher speaking on Islam. He pretty much nails it

 

[kaylagrl]

Check out Bill Maher speaking on Islam. He pretty much nails it

Ya,never thought Id ever agree with that man. Amazing that he sees what many are refusing to see.

 

[Adstar]

I know many of you dont prefer to watch videos but I cant really give a description of the video,you have to watch it. I can't remember who alerted me to this man in the video but for those of you who watch I'd appreciate your opinion of what he is saying. As voting comes nearer its very important to understand world issues. Are we going to go the way of Europe,sit down and fold our hands or will be wake up? I hope this link works...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0hoyJF3CU

True islam cannot coexist with itself let alone the western world..

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

(In b4 the "cant we just the Muslims Jesus said to love them")

And ah, I feel bad for France. I actually saw a video once that talked about birthrates and how they affect the culture or a nation. It talked about how once the birthrate of a nation drops to a certain percentage, it can never come back, that the nation will die off. The video talked about how France in 50 years will be a Muslim nation.

And I dunno, of course we can have those who follow Islam in the west, but we need to get off this "all we need is love" train, and accept that sometimes you have to be "mean", and let those who follow the religion know that we know whats in their doctrines, that we know what their prophet has told them they have to do, and that we will not accept forced conversion in our nations. Even if people yell and scream "bigot" or "Islamaphobe", all beliefs should be questioned, even religious beliefs. If a leader of an entire people tells his people that salvation "lies under the shade of swords", then we need to share this with the world and speak out against it. And if Muslims want to live peacefully in the west, their gonna need to speak out against those teachings too.

So yeah its possible, but I think its unlikely : /

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Islam with sharia laws? No
Law- abiding muslims who believe in Allah but follow western rules? Yes

There are peaceful muslims out there, probably many of them, but the problem is that it's not the peaceful ones that want to change our society to fit their laws, that's the dangerous ones, and they are the ones that are the most eager to get here it seems.

 

[Desdichado]

Islam can only co-exist with the West when the West is healthy, assertive, and gives off an air of being unconquerable.

As a general historical rule, Islamic civilization is aggressive at taking what it can get, but falters, cowers, and gets invariably throttled when faced with effective Western resistance.

 

[kaylagrl]

True islam cannot coexist with itself let alone the western world..

Yes, you certainly have made a great point there! That is totally true.

 

[Desdichado]

Yes, you certainly have made a great point there! That is totally true.

*Waits for somebody to bring up Ireland.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

*Waits for somebody to bring up Ireland.

I have not heard about Ireland. Whats up with Ireland?

 

[kaylagrl]

*Waits for somebody to bring up Ireland.

As always you're too intelligent for me, what gives with Ireland?

 

[Desdichado]

Oh whenever I bring up the bloody internal religious struggles that persist to this day with Islam, a liberal invariably hits me with "Well what about the Protestants and Catholics killing each other in North Ireland?"

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Ireland has enough problems of it's own methinks. There are protestant / catholic neighbourhoods where you really don't want to go wearing the wrong colours (football scarves)

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Oh whenever I bring up the bloody internal religious struggles that persist to this day with Islam, a liberal invariably hits me with "Well what about the Protestants and Catholics killing each other in North Ireland?"

Ah, I hate it when people jump to this argument : p "Well what about those guys? Look at what their doing!"

Theres a difference between two people who need to get along and a religion that promotes violence and war, we can entirely prove that the quran and the hadiths make such commands, its not equal to two groups of people who dont get along : / Thats not an argument : p

 

[Desdichado]

Ireland has enough problems of it's own methinks. There are protestant / catholic neighbourhoods where you really don't want to go wearing the wrong colours (football scarves)

Yeah, exactly. That's the problem with the argument. Religion is not central to Irish violence in the 20th century. It's really more of an incidental component in most cases.

Both sides fought and killed for their vision of a free Ireland, not to establish Irish Christendom or issue conversion/death ultimatums.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Irelands problems vs islam are definitely not the same, but ...

if people say "islam is evil because a terrorist killed people"
then you also have to say "Christianity is evil because of the inquisition"

and neither makes sense

 

[kaylagrl]

Oh whenever I bring up the bloody internal religious struggles that persist to this day with Islam, a liberal invariably hits me with "Well what about the Protestants and Catholics killing each other in North Ireland?"

Two wrongs dont make a right? Too cliche? They still haven't done the destruction that Islam has. They can't even count the millions of people that Islam has murdered through the years. I have a link about that but Im not at home just now.They have committed genocide down through the years. Their credo is submit or die. I believe that Islam it is anti-Christ. That doesn't mean that "Christians" in name only, haven't committed murder and atrocities which they will answer to God for.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Yeah, exactly. That's the problem with the argument. Religion is not central to Irish violence in the 20th century. It's really more of an incidental component in most cases.

Both sides fought and killed for their vision of a free Ireland, not to establish Irish Christendom or issue conversion/death ultimatums.

Yeah, I know. I don't understand why they keep using religion as their "weapon" , it's clearly not about religion at all.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

No way!

A culture that think's it's OK for dirty old men to rape babies and children - even males!
A culture that sees women as a commodity, to use and abuse.
A culture that throws homosexuals off high buildings to their death.
A culture that sees a woman as guilty for being raped.
A culture that chooses a husband for their daughter and if she doesn't conform is killed by her own family....
...I could go on and on but I won't

Sharia law - coming to a community near you.

Come back Jesus - soon?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Irelands problems vs islam are definitely not the same, but ...

if people say "islam is evil because a terrorist killed people"
then you also have to say "Christianity is evil because of the inquisition"

and neither makes sense

No,no. Islam is evil because of the doctrines that make up Islam. Not because "some Muslims do this".

Its not Muslims, its Islam itself.