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Well the issue with that is this, the Bible, God's Word did not condone the Inquisition. Islam does condone violence,extreme violence and says that Allah is pleased with it. God will bring to justice those who were martyred by both the Catholics and Protestants. On the other hand Allah will reward those who kill infidels and spread the faith with Jihad. Thats the diference.
Exactly. Christianity has a bloody past largely because the past itself is bloody. There is nothing in Christianity that really resembles the doctrine of Jihad except for maybe the Roman Catholic notion of Holy War. Even then, both concepts are only superficially comparable as Holy War, from what I've read, was an attempt at re-introducing the Roman levy system to Western Europe.
There is nothing in Islam really resembling the Reformation either. It's an interesting dynamic.
There is nothing in Islam really resembling the Reformation either. It's an interesting dynamic.
Muslims believe the Quran or Koran was inspired by Allah, who is GOD in their language. One particular Chapter called MOHAMMED in older Qurans, and called FIGHT in the newer Korans is particularly shocking. What our Leaders of the western world seem to be ignorant of is the fact that the large majority of the radical side of ISLAM believe they are a hero to Allah, if they can deceive their enemies into lowering their guard so that they can defeat them. That is why it has to be a Military defeat of Radical Islam, because a treaty is not worth the paper it is written on, because of that Radical belief.
Here is why it currently seems to be so easy to Radicalize peaceful Islamic youth:
I am not saying that all Muslims believe those verses apply today, but as far as immigration to the US is concerned; how do you tell the one's who are radicalized or potentially a threat, from those who are not?
Personally, I think the Change will have to come within Islam itself. Those Muslims who do not think those verses apply to today, need to start speaking out. AND it will take a very long time, because one Radical Cleric can influence a lot of young minds in a short amount of time.
The best thing we Christians can do is sincerely PRAY that God will intervene and shed HIS LIGHT INTO THE DARKNESS.
Perhaps this is a good place to start, if GOD ever gives one of us a chance to witness to a Muslim and their ears are open:
Isaiah 9:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Here is why it currently seems to be so easy to Radicalize peaceful Islamic youth:
I am not saying that all Muslims believe those verses apply today, but as far as immigration to the US is concerned; how do you tell the one's who are radicalized or potentially a threat, from those who are not?
Personally, I think the Change will have to come within Islam itself. Those Muslims who do not think those verses apply to today, need to start speaking out. AND it will take a very long time, because one Radical Cleric can influence a lot of young minds in a short amount of time.
The best thing we Christians can do is sincerely PRAY that God will intervene and shed HIS LIGHT INTO THE DARKNESS.
Perhaps this is a good place to start, if GOD ever gives one of us a chance to witness to a Muslim and their ears are open:
Isaiah 9:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Ive given that veres to many many Muslims. It doesnt work, they just claim "you cant believe the bible when its been so corrupted".
Why is it corrupted? Cuz Muhammad said Jesus was nothing more than a messenger, so clearly Paul changed allahs word and thats why we cant believe in the bible (even though the quran commands that we are to judge by it, that only refers to the real Gospel that existed before Paul corrupted it).
I used to be a Volunteer Chaplain in the California Dept. of Correction. The Muslim inmates used to want to debate me all the time, and they always wanted to point out what they perceived to be errors or contradictions in the Bible, more often than not in the Census figures of the Israelites. They are taught there are no contradictions in the Koran, and the Bible is full of contradictions proving it is not from GOD. The supposed Census contradictions are not contradictions at all, because they falsely assume every Census of the Israelites counted every living person. There were at least THREE Census counting systems in use throughout the history of Israel, and it appears that they recorded them simultaneously.
One counted ONLY adult males.
Another counted all males, including the boys.
And yet another counted everyone including the women and girls.
Thus both figures of different authors quoting the Census totals differently, are actually BOTH CORRECT.
Another possible explanation, is the timing of the gathered totals. Could one author be quoting Totals from before all of them were in from the remote rural areas?
Remember, they are taught if they find one contradiction, the whole thing is not from GOD; so you will never win over a Muslim with a few verses. You will have to LIVE OUT those verses for years in your lifestyle to covert a Muslim to Christ.
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When ever you have a population where they believe the quran and the accepted hadiths you will get a percentage of them willing to follow the teachings of the quran and hadiths to the letter.. You only need 1% of muslims to be true and devout muslims to crate terrorists willing to wage jihad and slaughter the un-believers.. The problem is islam and as long as muslims are living in the same society as non- muslims you are going to have random sporadic violent attacks by muslims who finaly decide to get real with their religious beliefs..
True quran following muslims are the violent jihadists.
False compromising muslims are the peace loving ones.
quran 48:
29 Muhammad is the messenger of allah, and those who are with him are SERVERE against unbelievers, and merciful amoungst themselves..
quran 9:
111 Surely allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this that they shall have the garden, they FIGHT in allahs way, so they SLAY and are SLAIN....
True quran following muslims are the violent jihadists.
False compromising muslims are the peace loving ones.
quran 48:
29 Muhammad is the messenger of allah, and those who are with him are SERVERE against unbelievers, and merciful amoungst themselves..
quran 9:
111 Surely allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this that they shall have the garden, they FIGHT in allahs way, so they SLAY and are SLAIN....
Muslims often like to claim that the bible cant be trusted because we have so many different variations of it, that that proves how corrupt it is. They claim that the arabic quran has been perfectly preserved, that there is only one of them and that all translations come from that one quran.
Apparently they arent told that there are over 20 different variations of the original arabic quran, all with variations so different that they change the meaning of entire chapters : p If only Muslims didnt rely on complete and utter lies for their faith.
Apparently they arent told that there are over 20 different variations of the original arabic quran, all with variations so different that they change the meaning of entire chapters : p If only Muslims didnt rely on complete and utter lies for their faith.
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I thought for sure someone would have brought up Walid Shoebat and posted one of his videos discussing Islam. Mr. Shoebat is another source to consider for the topic being discussed. I can't say anything myself since I am woefully ignorant about Islam and all I could do is repeat things I have heard and read.
Walid Shoebat is great, but hes more about end time theology and how Islam ties into it. Im a big fan though.
David Wood would be a better person for this, he doesnt do the end time stuff, he just talks about what makes up Islam (the quran and hadiths), and why Muhammad was a false prophet. He has a really good ministry that helps Muslims come to Christ.
David Wood would be a better person for this, he doesnt do the end time stuff, he just talks about what makes up Islam (the quran and hadiths), and why Muhammad was a false prophet. He has a really good ministry that helps Muslims come to Christ.
Those who doubt that the ISIS terrorists got their instructions from taking the following command literally from the Quran, read it for yourself:
Quran 8:12, “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”
AND from the modern Koran it still reads:
Koran 8.12, "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."
Quran 8:12, “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”
AND from the modern Koran it still reads:
Koran 8.12, "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."
The calls for violence are especially strong when it comes to the Jews with Islam, in fact Muhammad's last words before he died was cursing the Jews and Christians. And yes, they are in fact commanded to fight with the Jews-
Bukhari 52:177 Allahs apostle (Muhammad) said, "The hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will cry out, 'oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him'".
This is why I get kinda irked when people lecture those speaking out against Islam about how they need to love Muslims. Yes, of course, love them. But plz plz plz actually look into their prophet and what he commanded. Islam is what Muhammad taught, it is not the opinions of others that make up Islam.
Also, if you are a Christian, you should already be against Islam.
Quran 5:75 "Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger, many were the messengers who passed away before him".
There is no account of Jesus dying for the sins of mankind in the quran, we are told that allah made a man on the cross look like Him to protect Him, and that Jesus was merely ascended up to allah without ever dying or rising again on the 3rd day. And we are told by Muhammad that no "bearer of sins" can bear the sins of others, and that because of that Jesus could not have died for our sins (ignore the fact the quran still calls Jesus sinless, the entire book contradicts itself : p)
It is not evil or hateful to call a false prophet a false prophet.
Bukhari 52:177 Allahs apostle (Muhammad) said, "The hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will cry out, 'oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him'".
This is why I get kinda irked when people lecture those speaking out against Islam about how they need to love Muslims. Yes, of course, love them. But plz plz plz actually look into their prophet and what he commanded. Islam is what Muhammad taught, it is not the opinions of others that make up Islam.
Also, if you are a Christian, you should already be against Islam.
Quran 5:75 "Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger, many were the messengers who passed away before him".
There is no account of Jesus dying for the sins of mankind in the quran, we are told that allah made a man on the cross look like Him to protect Him, and that Jesus was merely ascended up to allah without ever dying or rising again on the 3rd day. And we are told by Muhammad that no "bearer of sins" can bear the sins of others, and that because of that Jesus could not have died for our sins (ignore the fact the quran still calls Jesus sinless, the entire book contradicts itself : p)
It is not evil or hateful to call a false prophet a false prophet.
Hi kaylagrl; Isalm can not coexist with western world. Islam can rule it. This is the goal of islam. rule over the world.
Well what you will do in a post christian western world. If you say anything against islam you are called islamophob; if you say something against homosexuality you are called homophob; If you take the word of god as that what it is from the first till to the last letter, you are called fundamentalist and you are not better then the islamic militant fundamentalists.
What expect you from a western world in which you can say and show blasphemy openly to our Lord and God. Our present leader of the Protestant church open supports islamic classes in the schools. The western world earnes what it deserves.
Well what you will do in a post christian western world. If you say anything against islam you are called islamophob; if you say something against homosexuality you are called homophob; If you take the word of god as that what it is from the first till to the last letter, you are called fundamentalist and you are not better then the islamic militant fundamentalists.
What expect you from a western world in which you can say and show blasphemy openly to our Lord and God. Our present leader of the Protestant church open supports islamic classes in the schools. The western world earnes what it deserves.
Be aware that sometimes Islam also tries to conquer from within.
Witness Canada!
Trudeau, our useless boy king Prime Minister is an avowed Muslim. Well, only in the mosques. His brother has specialized in making movies about the plight of the "poor" Palestinians, and how evil Israel is.
His campaign managers, now working in high places in the Canadian government are both Muslims. Not a coincidence!
So yesterday, did Trudeau so much as "tweet" a single word about 9/11? Nada! In fact, 26 Canadians were killed in it, and not even a word about it.
Which might be alright, except guess where Trudeau spent the day today, the day after 9/11? In a Muslim Brotherhood mosque, celebrating Eid with all his Muslim brothers, and a press release stating how wonderful it is to celebrate with our fellow Muslims, who hold the same Canadian values as we do - like peace, and brotherhood, etc.
We won't even get into fast tracking 25,000 non-refugee Syrians, and giving them loads of tax payer dollars, from clothing and shelter to jobs and so many more things that can't be tracked (weapons? Who knows?) And apparently now he is revving up the Canadian government for a second wave of Muslim immigrants.
Prime Minister Harper was fast tracking the Yazadhis (sp?) who are being exterminated in Syria and Iraq. Not Trudeau! They are not even in line to immigrant here, now! And also the persecuted Christians that Trudeau is not allowing into the country by any method.
We won't even get into how when his dad, Pierre Elliot Trudeau died in 2000, after leaving a legacy of ruin in his wake after being prime minister, that Fidel Castro, his good friend, was one of his honorary pall bearers. What kind of person has a cruel dictator like Castro for a buddy? A communist!
Then there is Trudeau's constant protests he is a "feminist." Yet he goes to segregated mosques, where the women are relegated in their Muslim garb to upstairs, which an Imam told my World Religions class, made them "closer to God." Not!
Then, Trudeau is implimenting electoral reform, in a voting system which you get partial points even if you do not win the election, giving the party with partial votes more MPs. This will ensure that Canada will remain under a wicked and evil Liberal government forever.
I'm just sick to death of this imposter, who takes orders for how to run our country from probably the top Imans in the country and abroad. We've been infiltrated!
Frustrated rant over!
Witness Canada!
Trudeau, our useless boy king Prime Minister is an avowed Muslim. Well, only in the mosques. His brother has specialized in making movies about the plight of the "poor" Palestinians, and how evil Israel is.
His campaign managers, now working in high places in the Canadian government are both Muslims. Not a coincidence!
So yesterday, did Trudeau so much as "tweet" a single word about 9/11? Nada! In fact, 26 Canadians were killed in it, and not even a word about it.
Which might be alright, except guess where Trudeau spent the day today, the day after 9/11? In a Muslim Brotherhood mosque, celebrating Eid with all his Muslim brothers, and a press release stating how wonderful it is to celebrate with our fellow Muslims, who hold the same Canadian values as we do - like peace, and brotherhood, etc.
We won't even get into fast tracking 25,000 non-refugee Syrians, and giving them loads of tax payer dollars, from clothing and shelter to jobs and so many more things that can't be tracked (weapons? Who knows?) And apparently now he is revving up the Canadian government for a second wave of Muslim immigrants.
Prime Minister Harper was fast tracking the Yazadhis (sp?) who are being exterminated in Syria and Iraq. Not Trudeau! They are not even in line to immigrant here, now! And also the persecuted Christians that Trudeau is not allowing into the country by any method.
We won't even get into how when his dad, Pierre Elliot Trudeau died in 2000, after leaving a legacy of ruin in his wake after being prime minister, that Fidel Castro, his good friend, was one of his honorary pall bearers. What kind of person has a cruel dictator like Castro for a buddy? A communist!
Then there is Trudeau's constant protests he is a "feminist." Yet he goes to segregated mosques, where the women are relegated in their Muslim garb to upstairs, which an Imam told my World Religions class, made them "closer to God." Not!
Then, Trudeau is implimenting electoral reform, in a voting system which you get partial points even if you do not win the election, giving the party with partial votes more MPs. This will ensure that Canada will remain under a wicked and evil Liberal government forever.
I'm just sick to death of this imposter, who takes orders for how to run our country from probably the top Imans in the country and abroad. We've been infiltrated!
Frustrated rant over!
K
All I can say is Wow! I had mentioned how I was having such a hard time with family on FB in regards to US politics to find out their own house is on fire. I had mentioned supporting Trump because I support the GOP platform and I have never seen people get so nasty! People I had thought were Christians are closet liberals! All my Canadian family got so angry with me,it surprised me. My sister and I are both married to southerners and her children were born here. One cousin said that all the south is racist,sexist and bigots and Americans are all rude! I have never seen such rudeness and anger against the US! They are treating us like turncoats or something and we've been here for years. I'm like "where is this coming from?" When I try to explain,polity, they mock me! I have been so disappointed. My husband has said Im a much better Christian than him because I havent blasted them. But Im just in shock I guess. What has happened to my homeland?!
Signs of the times. I too have drawn harsh criticism for standing up for Traditional Christian Values. Like the famous anti-Viet Nam War song used to say, "The Times They Are A Changing"; and NOT FOR THE BETTER. Even two people on my friends list criticized me when I was discussing Patriotism.
Isaiah 5:20 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
2 Timothy 4:2-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Proclaim the message; persist in it whether convenient or not; rebuke, correct, and encourage with great patience and teaching.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But as for you, be serious about everything, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
[h=2]Can Islam Coexist with the West?[/h]kaylagrl,
No.
The Quran's Verses of Violence
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No.
The Quran's Verses of Violence
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