Alcohol

[Grace777x70]

I gotta wonder if those that are so hard about drinking Christians, are just as hard against Christian gossipers, dividers, slanderers, strife makers, etc.

What does God hate worse, those that have some wine, or those that spread strife....

It's the nature of the beast. We are always passionate about the things that the Lord has delivered us from and what we deem as untouchable - we try to portray that onto others and that is wrong as some have pointed out already.

I experienced this very thing when I was a young convert. The pastor of the church was ranting about smoking ( apparently he had seen some members smoking ) and I myself didn't smoke so the preaching had no relevance to me.

Deep within my spirit I heard the Lord say "What is the difference between someone smoking themselves to death and eating themselves to death?"

I was horrified - I thought to myself "Where did that come from?" ...I say that because the pastor was as big as a house and yet the was ranting on those bad sinning "smokers".

So, I agree with your synopsis - gossipers, dividers, slanderers and strife-makers are in the same boat as those that think others shouldn't do what they wouldn't do, if they are condemning others.

Sometimes I find this scripture handy in these types of situations along with no doing anything in front of others to hurt someone else if they are weak in an area. ( Just have your glass of wine when they are not there - no harm done )

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

 

[Magenta]

Another wonderful thing about continuing to go to meetings is that I get to hear
on a regular basis how others are progressing through their journeys of life.
I get to witness their growth from being an enemy to God, to someone who
embraces the concept of a higher power, and maybe even eventually comes to
full blown faith in Jesus Christ our Lord. That is what happened to me.

I did not plan that, either That was the number one biggest change of my life!

Scripture promises: seek and you shall find.

 

[Joidevivre]

I didn't even drink until I was 60. I had high blood pressure, and actually heard that if you take 5 oz. a day (no more) it helps to lower your blood pressure. Go look it up on medical websites. It does. Along with other things like exercising, eating properly, etc.

But I didn't like to drink it without food, so I only drank it with food. Since then I've also heard it helps with old people's circulation problems, etc. I have never even felt drunk.

The problem that Christians have is coming from their own experiences (and they KNOW that it is something they should stop doing - yet they get legalistic about the whole thing of alcohol. I believe that if you have a good relationship with Christ, He will tell you what is bad or good for you personally, and THAT is what you follow. And never never judge another person's use of wine.

Personally, I see more people overeating than over drinking. Especially in churches. That is much more of a health risk. And food can also be very very addictive.

 

[lv2ski]

Eh, some nights I wont have anything to drink, some nights ill have one or two and call it a night. Some times ill drink an 18 pack on the porch. Who knows, its different everyday.

Ka Ka Doodie....

 

[Stephen63]

Eh, some nights I wont have anything to drink, some nights ill have one or two and call it a night. Some times ill drink an 18 pack on the porch. Who knows, its different everyday.

That I believe.

 

[Miri]

The last thing this guy needs is more alcohol! Drunkest person ever caught on video.

[video=youtube;wNlYA9UxNOo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNlYA9UxNOo[/video]

It is funny to watch from an outside perspective - agreed.

On the other hand it could have been any one on this thread who has been brave enough to admit
they had or still have a problem.

Alcohol destroys lives. I work just down the road from an area which has many problems.
Sights like this are common while waiting to catch the bus home. For people gripped in
alcoholism it's strips them of their respect, their dignity, their right to a sound mind.

In the UK there is a massive problem especially among young people. They go partying and
in their eyes if they can't remember anything the next day they must have had a good time.
If they can remember they brag about how off their head they managed to get. They party
without restraint or self control, young girls stagger down the street in high heels and barely
there clothes, leaning over garden gates to vomit. While at home parents wonder where they
are and worry for their safety.

The party/clubbing culture in the UK is so out of control it makes me embarrassed and sad
for my own country.



I am reminded of the following verses, which are the exact opposite of what excessive
drinking does for a person.


2 Timothy 1:7 NKJV
[7] For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of
a sound mind.

 

[Stephen63]

are there any reformed smokers or gluttons on this thread?

I have never been an alcoholic, so I can't say much about that

however, God DID deliver me from backbiting, gossip and a few other sins of the flesh

I don't know why these threads always turn into an advert for al-anon

or why folks think their testimony proves what scripture does not in fact say

you know, praise God for delivering you from alcoholism, but don't sound like you are above someone who has a drink now and then

and no, I'm not mocking...but this thread is a clone of the last one

only some of the avatars have changed

otherwise, same players & sayers all saying the same thing...literally LOL!

That statement in red is highly debatable.

 

[EarsToHear]

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.


First of all this word for "wine" in the Greek is # 3631; "oynos, oy'-nos; a prime word, from Hebrew #3196, lit. "wine". " In the Strong's Hebrew dictionary 3196; "yayin, yah'-yin; from an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); intoxicating."


Pure fermented wine is the substance with all the impurities taken removed from it. In the text, it reads, "drink no longer only water, but do take a LITTLE wine for your stomach's sake". A lot of tea tattlers, even as far as communion is concerned, try to say this is in reference to grape juice. If in someone's conscious mind believes this way then let it be. However, this same group will think nothing of going to their doctor and getting a medical prescription their stomach that has the same ingredient as they would get with an ounce of wine.


The drugs that exist in most prescriptions are far more harmful than the ounce or little wine before bedtime. Remember that Timothy was becoming the head of a church, with all the responsibilities of the office; and Paul is telling Timothy how to relieve some of the pressures of the day, and prepare for the night's rest.

 

[Stephen63]

It's a proven fact that children born of drug addicts are born addicts themselves. I wonder if that's why there's so many children of alcoholics that become alcoholics themselves.

 

[LaurenTM]

It's the nature of the beast. We are always passionate about the things that the Lord has delivered us from and what we deem as untouchable - we try to portray that onto others and that is wrong as some have pointed out already.

I experienced this very thing when I was a young convert. The pastor of the church was ranting about smoking ( apparently he had seen some members smoking ) and I myself didn't smoke so the preaching had no relevance to me.

Deep within my spirit I heard the Lord say "What is the difference between someone smoking themselves to death and eating themselves to death?"

I was horrified - I thought to myself "Where did that come from?" ...I say that because the pastor was as big as a house and yet the was ranting on those bad sinning "smokers".

So, I agree with your synopsis - gossipers, dividers, slanderers and strife-makers are in the same boat as those that think others shouldn't do what they wouldn't do, if they are condemning others.

Sometimes I find this scripture handy in these types of situations along with no doing anything in front of others to hurt someone else if they are weak in an area. ( Just have your glass of wine when they are not there - no harm done )

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

the number of fat pastors...no...big as a house pastors in certain denoms is telling

don't smoke, don't drink, don't dance, don't this and don't that

but it's OK to eat your way to a heart attack

or gossip your way to a church split

or backstab someone into leaving a church

or slander until the devil has nothing to do

I've see all that and more

 

[Deepdistress21]

I didn't even drink until I was 60. I had high blood pressure, and actually heard that if you take 5 oz. a day (no more) it helps to lower your blood pressure. Go look it up on medical websites. It does. Along with other things like exercising, eating properly, etc.

But I didn't like to drink it without food, so I only drank it with food. Since then I've also heard it helps with old people's circulation problems, etc. I have never even felt drunk.

The problem that Christians have is coming from their own experiences (and they KNOW that it is something they should stop doing - yet they get legalistic about the whole thing of alcohol. I believe that if you have a good relationship with Christ, He will tell you what is bad or good for you personally, and THAT is what you follow. And never never judge another person's use of wine.

Personally, I see more people overeating than over drinking. Especially in churches. That is much more of a health risk. And food can also be very very addictive.

Nailed it. I also like to have just a little every now and then cause it actually makes my disorder not be very bad. So its nice to feel normal and relaxed and fun for a bit. I dont do it often or lots. Just some to get a break from thr constant pain.

 

[lv2ski]

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.


First of all this word for "wine" in the Greek is # 3631; "oynos, oy'-nos; a prime word, from Hebrew #3196, lit. "wine". " In the Strong's Hebrew dictionary 3196; "yayin, yah'-yin; from an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); intoxicating."


Pure fermented wine is the substance with all the impurities taken removed from it. In the text, it reads, "drink no longer only water, but do take a LITTLE wine for your stomach's sake". A lot of tea tattlers, even as far as communion is concerned, try to say this is in reference to grape juice. If in someone's conscious mind believes this way then let it be. However, this same group will think nothing of going to their doctor and getting a medical prescription their stomach that has the same ingredient as they would get with an ounce of wine.


The drugs that exist in most prescriptions are far more harmful than the ounce or little wine before bedtime. Remember that Timothy was becoming the head of a church, with all the responsibilities of the office; and Paul is telling Timothy how to relieve some of the pressures of the day, and prepare for the night's rest.

1 Timothy 5:23 every alcoholics life verse....

 

[Magenta]

Not everyone has a problem with alcohol. People who do have a problem with alcohol can
not usually drink just a little every now and again. It is a snare to them, a cesspool from
which there is no escape and no relief until they allow God to move in their life. People call
marijuana a gateway drug, but for probably the majority of addicts, alcohol was the gateway
drug. Alcohol is a drug that cause immense pain and suffering in our society. In AA they
recognize it as a family disease, passed from one generation to the next. Addiction is called
a cultural disease. Addiction does not have to have anything to do with drugs, either. Even
in AA, the underlying problem is not the substance, after all.

 

[lv2ski]

the number of fat pastors...no...big as a house pastors in certain denoms is telling

don't smoke, don't drink, don't dance, don't this and don't that

but it's OK to eat your way to a heart attack

or gossip your way to a church split

or backstab someone into leaving a church

or slander until the devil has nothing to do

I've see all that and more

Alcohol is simply the topic.. no comparison needed,that's just a way to divert attention from something.

If we're taking about how gross picking your nose and eating it is, that's not saying that biting your toe nails and swallowing isn't. It's just that that's not what we were talkingabout.

No need to rate vises, none help you, they all distract.

 

[melita916]

i didn't grow up around alcohol. it was a no-no in my house.

as an adult, i never had the desire to drink alcohol. it just doesn't attract me.

i'm ok with that

 

[LaurenTM]

Alcohol is simply the topic.. no comparison needed,that's just a way to divert attention from something.

If we're taking about how gross picking your nose and eating it is, that's not saying that biting your toe nails and swallowing isn't. It's just that that's not what we were talkingabout.

No need to rate vises, none help you, they all distract.

did I write something that bothers you?

that is not my problem

you don't get to censor my posts...which remain polite...you can disagree of course, but you are trying to correct what I said

that's not going to help you either

attempted SHAMING and trying to shame or control what others say is definitely a topic for another conversation

why are people so afraid of what others might say? does it rock your little world or what

 

[kaylagrl]

We learn from the Bible that it is okay to drink a little alcohol, but not okay to drink a lot. Where do you draw the line?

I dont drink at all. My uncle was a lifelong alcoholic, it eventually killed him. The Bible says if meat causes my brother to stumble... Drinking is what the world does to cope,its not what Christians should do. You dont know if you are an alcoholic till you take the first drink. Why risk that when there is no reason to drink alcohol? Plenty of other things to drink. It dulls the senses and can make you have very poor judgement. I dont see anything positive in alcohol at all. JMO

 

[LaurenTM]

1 Timothy 5:23 every alcoholics life verse....

by that logic, you have surveyed every alcoholic then, both Christian and non-Christian?

every alcoholics verse should be the same as for the non-alcoholics

John 3:16

 

[LaurenTM]

I dont drink at all. My uncle was a lifelong alcoholic, it eventually killed him. The Bible says if meat causes my brother to stumble... Drinking is what the world does to cope,its not what Christians should do. You dont know if you are an alcoholic till you take the first drink. Why risk that when there is no reason to drink alcohol? Plenty of other things to drink. It dulls the senses and can make you have very poor judgement. I dont see anything positive in alcohol at all. JMO

that seems to conclude that everyone will become an alcoholic if they have a drink now and then

that is not logical

by that logic, I should have been an alcoholic at 7 or 8

Europeans often serve wine to their kiddies...as kiddies, even in Canada, we would have a little with our meals or with ginger ale at family celebrations. understand that is NORMAL and no one has a bothered conscience for it..there are Christians all over the world who do the same

without a doubt, there does seem to be a pre-disposition towards abuse in families with alcoholics, but we can say the same about any family type whatever that seems to go from one person to the next

some of those other things to drink are far worse than a glass of wine now and then

just disagreeing...just discussing (seems I have to say that now and then)

 

[eph610]

A very religious pharisee Pastor asked me once why it seemed like I ministered so well with the people who sinned by smoking, drinking, taking drugs, and engaging in sexual immorality

I told him I used to smoke cigarettes, drank to get drunk, took drugs to get high, and slept with women and watching porn to find happiness and to dull the pain I experienced... It takes one to know one and to have true empathy that allows compassion to compel you to be there for them when they are ready to be delivered.

YOU did all that!?!?! He was in a state of belief. I told him yeah, the old things pass away, behold new things have come.

If you have never drank to escape the pain of life, you have no business preaching to people you know what they are going through....and then condemning them for it