Alcohol

[Magenta]

Sound Doctrine, Consecrated Living – the application of God’s Word to one’s life........................

Sin is deadly
Sin is the stench of graves
Sin is rebellion
Sin is corruption
Sin establishes a life of rebellion CONTRARY to GOD
Sin tramples on Gods character
Sin mocks GOD
Sin is defiling
Sin is ingratitude
Sin is ungrateful
Sin is Gods mercy abused
Sin is eager to kill
Sin is serious damning ingratitude
Sin is defiling
Sin is foolish

REPENT!

Drinking is not a sin.

 

[Magenta]

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say,
'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors
and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

 

[breno785au]

It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves.
Romans 14:21*-‬22

/Endthread

...was probably posted somewhere on an earlier page though lol

 

[PollyAnna]

Drinking is not a sin.

Luke 21:34 - And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares.

 

[Magenta]

Luke 21:34 - And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares.

Drinking is not a sin. Drunkenness is a different matter. Can you not distinguish between the two? If you wish to say that to drink is a sin, then you call Jesus Christ a sinner. To do that is to make null and void any testimony you may wish to deliver in regards to His life and death and resurrection.

 

[tourist]

Luke 21:34 - And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares.

Somewhere in the bible there is a mention of a wedding that Jesus attended. It must have been BYOB 'cause Jesus made His own wine out of water. There was a certain measure of cheer going on during the festivities.

 

[Magenta]

Somewhere in the bible there is a mention of a wedding that Jesus attended. It must have been BYOB 'cause Jesus made His own wine out of water. There was a certain measure of cheer going on during the festivities.

"Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."

It seems that Jesus provided wine for the wedding festivities after
everyone had already had too much to drink, according to Scripture.

 

[kaylagrl]

Addictions are coping skills. Addictions are borne out of anger, anxiety and depression. Anger anxiety and depression are the result of unprocessed emotional trauma. I'll tell you a little story.

My grandma lived in San Francisco and was a switchboard operator for Bell telephone company. When my dad was around 4 or 5 her husband left her for another woman and left them pretty penniless. This was in the early 50's. Unable to afford to keep my dad and his sister, they were placed in a catholic orphanage. My grandma was raped in an alley as she got off the bus after work. Her assailant stepped on her ankle and broke it. She was a closet vodka drinker and never let anyone help her in the kitchen when we were over for holiday dinners....I wonder why. Lol

My father once described for me the abuse he suffered at that home. They had specific potty times and if you didn't use them it was your problem. If you wet yourself you were beaten. My dad said he remembered sneaking a teddy bear from the play room into his bed and was caught with it and beaten. I also think that he was molested there but of that I am not sure. When my dad was 18 he went to california to find his dad. He went to his dads door and knocked. When the man came to the door and found out it was his son, he slammed the door in his face.

I only knew my grandma until I was about 15 or 16. My last memory of her is her dying in a hospital bed. She had been sober for 3 years. I still have a serenity prayer plaque that she gave my dad with a personal note congratulating him on his sobriety. My dad quit drinking too but later started again. I don't know how much my dad had to drink when he hit the deer on his motorcycle. They never said that alcohol was a factor.

With all that said, my grandma and my dad didn't drink because they had some alcoholic gene...they drank because of emotional trauma that they never really processed thru.....and really...who can blame them? I know I've forgiven my dad for the crap he put on me. He didn't know how to cope with his pain. There weren't too many resources or as much knowledge as there is now about why people become addicted to things. Telling someone they are a drunkard and condemning them like some are prone to do is just further abuse on these poor people. I am ashamed that a christian would be so hateful to a hurting soul by yelling....SINNER, DRUNKARD or whatever. Those people need love, understanding and a friend with an ability to see past the outward condition of the man or woman who drinks to cope, and help them draw out the poison of emotional trauma that causes them to drink in the first place. We don't know what a person has been thru until we get to know them and we don't get to know them by calling them names and dehumanizing them with religious rhetoric. If I saw a person speaking to another human being like some do on here to people who may be hurting, I'd be as angry as Jesus was when he flipped over tables in the temple. Alcoholism is the outward expression of a soul that has been damaged. It is an attempt to find some peace from those demons. Quitting drinking and putting on a religious front doesn't make the demons go away....and I submit that religiosity is a far more cruel demon than alcohol.

Thank you for this thoughtful post, this is the Sirk I know. I always enjoy reading your posts, and usually learn something. I dont really think there is a gene either. My uncle grew up in a broken family, a long story but the same as so many people have. I shared of the friend who was a Christian that kept falling off the wagon due to stress. There are different reasons people drink or have an addiction. Though alcohol may not always be the underlying cause of some of these issues it goes hand in hand with sorrow,abuse,anger and destruction of families. I cant speak for others here,but Im not screaming sinner. There is deliverance for every hurt, every addiction, abuse,broken family and marriage. Goggle Billy Sunday and some of his sermons.

 

[Magenta]

Many studies support there being a genetic factor in alcoholism.

Genetic factors influencing alcohol dependence

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-h...-use-disorders/genetics-alcohol-use-disorders

https://www.addictioncenter.com/alcohol/genetics-of-alcoholism/

https://www.ncadd.org/about-addiction/family-history-and-genetics

 

[kaylagrl]

I like what you have said here. My life was drinking and partying before I came to Christ. So I am aware. Its the condemnation crowd that I am speaking of.

They are in a worse spot then the one drinking alcohol.

Gossip,bitterness,jealousy,maligning.........these are the real problems. To often I have heard," This isn't gossip(because I 'truly' care), but......" They will get a pass, and they are in a worse spot than the one they are gossiping about.

Ahhh but they dont get a pass with God! There was an old lady at our church that was a notorious gossip. She'd even get up and "testify" about it. She loved getting a good piece of juicy gossip. One time my mother was traveling with her to a church function and she began to gossip about a person. My mother said " well maybe I should bring that to the pastors wife,Im sure she doesn't know about that"! Well the old lady was so upset and begged my mother not to tell the pastors wife. She learned a lesson and never gossiped again to my mother.

 

[John146]

"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

 

[PollyAnna]

I like what you have said here. My life was drinking and partying before I came to Christ. So I am aware. Its the condemnation crowd that I am speaking of.

They are in a worse spot then the one drinking alcohol.

Gossip,bitterness,jealousy,maligning.........these are the real problems. To often I have heard," This isn't gossip(because I 'truly' care), but......" They will get a pass, and they are in a worse spot than the one they are gossiping about.

Drunkards will NOT inherit the kingdom of God! Focus!!
What you said is another issue. The focus here is alcohol.

 

[PollyAnna]

Somewhere in the bible there is a mention of a wedding that Jesus attended. It must have been BYOB 'cause Jesus made His own wine out of water. There was a certain measure of cheer going on during the festivities.

Context!
Be very careful as to what you are eluding to. Those who are weak and get drunk while calling themselves converted are watching. You will be held accountable for winking at a sinning against the LORD

 

[tourist]

Context!
Be very careful as to what you are eluding to. Those who are weak and get drunk while calling themselves converted are watching. You will be held accountable for winking at a sinning against the LORD

I'm just reporting what I read in the bible.

 

[PollyAnna]

Angela reminded me of this scripture on the holiness post. I thought Id share it here.


"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,15 but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,16 since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:14-16

 

[CharlieGrown]

Context!
Be very careful as to what you are eluding to. Those who are weak and get drunk while calling themselves converted are watching. You will be held accountable for winking at a sinning against the LORD

It was a literal, historical miracle event. What "context!" did tourist (and I) miss?

 

[Magenta]

Holy means set apart... for God.

 

[eph610]

It was a literal, historical miracle event. What "context!" did tourist (and I) miss?

dont sweat it she is now banned

 

[CharlieGrown]

Troley Poley off to never never land?

 

[eph610]

Troley Poley off to never never land?

yes she is