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We carry the message to the alcoholic and to the addict who still suffers. The message is that they need God in their life. Haha, oh how they hate that. The wonderful thing is that it is not preached to them, not shoved down their throat in any way whatsoever. It is put forward as the solution while they are given full freedom to explore their God concepts and beliefs.
Meanwhile, they are encouraged to explore their history, their patterns, beliefs, behaviors, what works in their life, what doesn't, while they listen to others share their experiences, strength, and hope, as well as struggles, challenges, and suffering. It is a wonderful concoction! Some people confuse this permission to define God as they understand Him, equating it to being not God centered at all, when developing and maintaining an ongoing personal relationship with God is the very heart and core of the program, which came out of a Christian model based solidly on Scriptural principles.
Almost without exception those seeking help are enemies to God in their minds, but through a process of continual support and inspiration we hopefully all come to that place where we can see ourselves more clearly. Painfully clear. Now when I say I have the desire to stop using, it is not a desire to stop using mind and mood altering substances. I have already done that, with the help of God. I could not have done it without God! Now what I want to stop using is my character defects. I don't even have full willingness to do that yet, but I progress. Sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly.
Meanwhile, they are encouraged to explore their history, their patterns, beliefs, behaviors, what works in their life, what doesn't, while they listen to others share their experiences, strength, and hope, as well as struggles, challenges, and suffering. It is a wonderful concoction! Some people confuse this permission to define God as they understand Him, equating it to being not God centered at all, when developing and maintaining an ongoing personal relationship with God is the very heart and core of the program, which came out of a Christian model based solidly on Scriptural principles.
Almost without exception those seeking help are enemies to God in their minds, but through a process of continual support and inspiration we hopefully all come to that place where we can see ourselves more clearly. Painfully clear. Now when I say I have the desire to stop using, it is not a desire to stop using mind and mood altering substances. I have already done that, with the help of God. I could not have done it without God! Now what I want to stop using is my character defects. I don't even have full willingness to do that yet, but I progress. Sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly.
All of this is done in an atmosphere of no judgement. Can you imagine? Compared to this
place, the 12 step rooms of narcotics anonymous and alcoholic anonymous are a haven.
Still, not everyone comes to belief. They are after all blinded by the god of this world.
Atheists have even taken the 12 step model and removed the solution from the solution.
That just goes to show you how smart they think they are, how stiff necked, maybe
even beyond reach. I was against the God of the Bible when I first started attending
12 step meetings in 1988. I went to meetings for a few years before I even became
willing to give up the substances, and it was another nine years after that before
I surrendered my life to God and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
place, the 12 step rooms of narcotics anonymous and alcoholic anonymous are a haven.
Still, not everyone comes to belief. They are after all blinded by the god of this world.
Atheists have even taken the 12 step model and removed the solution from the solution.
That just goes to show you how smart they think they are, how stiff necked, maybe
even beyond reach. I was against the God of the Bible when I first started attending
12 step meetings in 1988. I went to meetings for a few years before I even became
willing to give up the substances, and it was another nine years after that before
I surrendered my life to God and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
L
tumble weed: a rather large, circular, uprooted bush at the mercy of the wind. It often finds itself blowing about in uncharted territory, clinging desperately to nothing, but assuming everyone will recognize it for the fine bush it thinks it is
whaaaaa?
I can't help getting these little pictures in between my ears...it's like I'm almost there too
I'm drinking tea right now...green tea....
whaaaaa?
I can't help getting these little pictures in between my ears...it's like I'm almost there too
I'm drinking tea right now...green tea....
For sure it is shocking how many people self medicate, what it can lead to, and how many lives are destroyed as a direct result of addictions, and not just to mind and mood altering substances. We live in a fallen world, and everywhere around us sin is on full display, and continues to progress. It supports a whole entertainment industry, and fuels countless careers. Still, I would never say that drinking is a sin, because it is not. Not even drinking to excess on occasion could be identified as such, unless you want to say that Jesus encouraged people to sin.
I've said this a thousand times and I'll say it again. Unprocessed emotional pain leads to anger anxiety and depression which lead to unhealthy coping skills. Learning a vocabulary of things that hurt our hearts is the first step in being able to speak truth to the emotional pain. For example, I feel insignificant right now but the truth about me is I am significant. Anger anxiety and depression are borne out of us allowing our emotions become the truth of who we are. Emotions are awesome, but they are unreliable and they lie to us. The mind of an enlightened man speaks truth to the emotional pain that life and people can bring.
Sirk had said anxiety and depression are sins in post 699. After finding it, please don't ask me any more questions about this on this thread. I'm not going to get into another discussion about it. There are resources if you honestly want to learn more. This isn't directed at you personally. But the same thing happens over and over again. We saw it with alcohol. And I'm not going to be lart of letting jt happen with the subject of mental illness. Have a good rest of your day, brother.
K
I believe when we are saved the Lord can and wants to deliver us from all our past. We tend to hold on and not let go and hurt our own selves over the years because we did not yield to the Holy Spirit. My aunt had a terrible issue with depression when she was younger. One night in service she was touched by the Holy Spirit,she was very shy but she got up and danced around the whole church and was delivered of her depression and anxiety that night. We turn too much to science sometimes when God has the answer for our every need.
G
Honestly Sirk, I know it is not popular and the mud will sling..........anxiety,depression are the consequence of subjective thinking,always having the mind set on self.
I know there are legit mental illness and disease, but the majority are self induced.
Emotions and feelings........they get us in more trouble than all the outside stimulants combined.
I know there are legit mental illness and disease, but the majority are self induced.
Emotions and feelings........they get us in more trouble than all the outside stimulants combined.
G
to the best of my knowledge, they have not
have you ever heard of transference?
have you ever heard of transference?
Gr8grace
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because I know you're going to stick with the mental illness is a sin opinion.
Can you show the post that anyone said mental illness is a sin?
Or are you transferring your opinion "that anxiety is ALWAYS a mental illness" to others?