Joel Osteen's Night Of Hope 2016 // Street Preachers Rebuke American Gospel

Grace777x70 · Sep 19, 2016

Take a look at this video that shows exactly what is really being said by Joel. We really need to be very careful in the things we allow others to say about those in the body of Christ that speak differently then we do.

This video really shows the distortion and "twists" that come by the way some view what is being said by others..

[video=youtube;C9u_QwkBwJE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9u_QwkBwJE[/video]

kaylagrl · Sep 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

What he preaches is prosperity doctrine,and I disagree with that teaching 100%. I am talking about what he said speaking to Oprah,not about what he said here,which was still wrong. The Bible does not teach that we cannot know who is going to heaven. If you do not receive Christ as your Savior you are not going to heaven. Now,its true we cant know a persons heart. My uncle got saved on his deathbed,in fact I have two uncles that got saved that way.I believe that they are in heaven now.But to make it look like you can believe in any god and God knows your heart so its all good is wrong teaching. Osteen knows it and he was side stepping the answer. The answer is there is only One way to get to God,Jesus Christ. No other name. Muhammad,Buddha, good person will not get you into heaven. The Bible says "by their fruits you will know them". Jesus is the only way and he danced around that.

kaylagrl · Sep 19, 2016

LaurenTM said:

I'd say its a distinction without a difference.

Utah · Sep 19, 2016

I listen to Joel Osteen once in a while during long car rides. I find him to be more of a motivational speaker than a traditional pastor preaching Christ crucified and Resurrected, yet be that as it may, I see he loves God and gives thanks and praise to Jesus Christ for His completed work at the Cross.

Grace777x70 · Sep 19, 2016

LaurenTM said:

That is the way that I took it too. There are many paths people come to Jesus. Some muslims are having dreams about Him and some are seeing Him outright - but they don't have a revelation fully of who He is yet.

There are many of us that have come to knowing Christ through all kinds of different paths which did not start out as the "conventional way".

Preaching hell-fire and brimstone ( which is not the true gospel as can be seen in Acts 10 and Acts 13 - there we have word-for-word accounts of the real gospel being preached by Peter and Paul and it is nothing like the modern message that we sometimes hear ) - is one path that some took.

All of us start out with whatever the Lord uses a the time to bring us to Him - that will eventually evolve into a greater knowing of Him but the paths we take to get there - they can be different.

LaurenTM · Sep 19, 2016

kaylagrl said:

how did we get to prosperity doctrine and why do folks label everything?

prosperity is badly misundestood

I might have to bang my head on a wall here shortly...good thing it's a hard head LOL!

Kayla.....travelling around and singing in every church on God's green earth does not actually give you the perspective to doctrinize them (I think I just invented another word)

we are all safe and sound in our beds at night, but God sees it all, eh?

JGIG · Sep 19, 2016

kaylagrl said:

I would encourage you to stop getting your information from 'Pretty sure someone told me that."

Go to his church's website to read their actual statement of faith. Watch some of the many available videos where he's actually preaching. Understand that Osteen's gifting is not as an evangelist or prophet, but as an encourager to the Body. So many condemn the man, accusing him of being a false prophet or evangelist when he's not a prophet nor is he an evangelist!
Nope, his gifting is to build up and to encourage the Body. His ministry does reach out to the lost with the Gospel, primarily in works of service and love. Sorry, but I won't fault him for walking in the giftings God has given and called him to.

Is he my 'go to' guy for meaty, in-depth preaching? Nope. But he's a great encourager, one who reminds us of the goodness and faithfulness of God. God knows the Body needs that, too.

-JGIG

LaurenTM · Sep 19, 2016

kaylagrl said:

really?

I think you need to try harder

AbigailZeke · Sep 19, 2016

I like Joel Osteen! I don't believe in poverty teaching.

JGIG · Sep 19, 2016

kaylagrl said:

Here's a diagram of what he actually said:

There are many paths to Jesus -----> Jesus is THE WAY to the ONE GOD

He did not affirm Oprah's assertion that there are many paths to God, but asserted that Jesus is the way to the One God.

Do you see the difference?

Have we all, as believers, come to Christ the same way, through identical sets of circumstances?

No.

That's all Osteen was saying, not that there are many paths to God.

As for Osteen's income, he takes no salary from his church; hasn't for a long time. His income comes from book sales, and he gives millions away. There are those in the Body who are wealthy - and they use it to minister and bring the Lost into the kingdom. Wealth and inheritance are not foreign concepts in the whole of the Scriptures - Old and New Covenants. It's how we steward over that wealth and use it to be a blessing to others that really matters.

-JGIG

LaurenTM · Sep 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

yeah

I still puzzle over that verse in Genesis 4 where it states THEN began men to call on the name of the Lord

never got an answer on it yet that defines the depth IMO

look at Saul/Paul......that's an intervention....not some planned 'we have a special speaker tonight'

I'm all churched out .

LaurenTM · Sep 19, 2016

JGIG said:

Here's a diagram of what he actually said:

There are many paths to Jesus -----> Jesus is THE WAY to the ONE GOD

He did not affirm Oprah's assertion that there are many paths to God, but asserted that Jesus is the way to the One God.

Do you see the difference?

Have we all, as believers, come to Christ the same way, through identical sets of circumstances?

No.

That's all Osteen was saying, not that there are many paths to God.

As for Osteen's income, he takes no salary from his church; hasn't for a long time. His income comes from book sales, and he gives millions away. There are those in the Body who are wealthy - and they use it to minister and bring the Lost into the kingdom. Wealth and inheritance are not foreign concepts in the whole of the Scriptures - Old and New Covenants. It's how we steward over that wealth and use it to be a blessing to others that really matters.

-JGIG

just the facts ma'am

just the facts

LaurenTM · Sep 19, 2016

kaylagrl said:

I'm practically a pagan myself

I don't believe in a young earth

according to some folks here, that makes me a blasphemer

however, God has never taken me aside and said, listen here blondie, if you want to get to heaven, you better have blind faith

and then folks go and sing 'open my eyes that I might see'

if I don't get it with my brain, it's not going to happen...for some people it's all about the emotions...sorry, can't turn off the brain

as Judge Judy would say, you can't say what Osteen knows...that's hearsay

basically, and sorry Kayla, but that is what you have

hearsay

LaurenTM · Sep 19, 2016

and now I have to pardon myself and get going or I will be hearing what my husband has to say LOL!

we gotz plans!

toodells and g'day mate

PennEd · Sep 19, 2016

AVoiceintheWilderness said:

A very measured response that was 100% accurate to the Word of God.

You know NOTHING of this individual poster besides what you've seen/read on an online chat forum. And, even if you DID know them on a physical, personal level, that doesn't make their organization right with God.

If you want to speak for Christianity, read your Bible a few times first and figure out what Christianity TRULY is.

It certainly is NOT the pop-psychology, new age, self-help, 100% unbiblical nonsense that Joel Osteen and his organization are shoveling to the masses.

God is not a wet noodle.

His Truth hurts and offends the wicked. So does His Word, by design.

Wake up and educate yourself before choosing a side to stand up for.

Not sayin he ain't 15. Just sayin he don't have the verbiage of a 15 yr. old. If he's not, then why the put a false age?

Utah · Sep 19, 2016

PennEd said:

Spot on accuracy with your discernment, my brother.

Gr8grace · Sep 19, 2016

LaurenTM said:

If you look close....it may not be that men started to call on the name of the Lord. It may be men started to PROFANE the name of the Lord........the wickedness begins.

What does it mean

Rom 1~~ 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

Sirk · Sep 19, 2016

I've never heard Osteen say give and you will get in the material sense. What I have heard him say is change your attitude to a good one and your life will be better. That's not prosperity doctrine....just simple truth.

AVoiceintheWilderness · Sep 19, 2016

PennEd said:

Still amazes me that people get so caught up about this. I am reluctant to reply to comments about my age because:

1. It has been covered in detail in other threads.

2. It has absolutely 'NOTHING' to do with the info that I present, here. Zero relevance whatsoever. The info is either biblically accurate or it is not. (And not one single person has taken exception to a single thing I've posted CONCERNING SCRIPTURAL TRUTH.)

3. I was never 'ASKED' for my age when signing up, here. I was only asked for a birth date, to which I felt that info was personal, private and 100% irrelevant and inconsequential to the info I am here to discuss, that being the Word of God. Therefore I entered a random number with zero intent to deceive, period. I certainly wouldn't have chosen to appear as an underage minor. What would that gain me? Yet, I'm still surprised it has caused so many to ignore the info presented.

A very interesting experiment in human nature, completely unintended.

Truth is Truth no matter who it comes from; race, sex OR 'AGE.'

If you can't recognize Truth when you see/hear it, that is YOUR problem to take up with God.

As a matter of fact, NONE of you can know ANYTHING about any one of these people on here BUT the info they present. You can't be certain of sex, race, age OR what their true intent is in posting here. I absolutely guarantee you there are those here who have the sole intent of misleading, dis-informing and even advertising for certain causes; Osteen ministries being a very good example.

For the record, I am quite 'obviously' not 15 and never 'claimed' to be. That number was put there by the Christian Chat Forum program based on the info I entered, and I was not aware that my age would be posted there under my screen name. There is no way to remove it and I have never been on any other Forum that does that.

** TOPIC PUT TO REST **

Discernment, seriously? I'd call that common sense.

eph610 · Sep 19, 2016

AVoiceintheWilderness said:

Still amazes me that people get so caught up about this. I am reluctant to reply to comments about my age because:

1. It has been covered in detail in other threads.

2. It has absolutely 'NOTHING' to do with the info that I present, here. Zero relevance whatsoever. The info is either biblically accurate or it is not. (And not one single person has taken exception to a single thing I've posted CONCERNING SCRIPTURAL TRUTH.)

3. I was never 'ASKED' for my age when signing up, here. I was only asked for a birth date, to which I felt that info was personal, private and 100% irrelevant and inconsequential to the info I am here to discuss, that being the Word of God. Therefore I entered a random number with zero intent to deceive, period. I certainly wouldn't have chosen to appear as an underage minor. What would that gain me? Yet, I'm still surprised it has caused so many to ignore the info presented.

A very interesting experiment in human nature, completely unintended.

Truth is Truth no matter who it comes from; race, sex OR 'AGE.'

If you can't recognize Truth when you see/hear it, that is YOUR problem to take up with God.

As a matter of fact, NONE of you can know ANYTHING about any one of these people on here BUT the info they present. You can't be certain of sex, race, age OR what their true intent is in posting here. I absolutely guarantee you there are those here who have the sole intent of misleading, dis-informing and even advertising for certain causes; Osteen ministries being a very good example.

For the record, I am quite 'obviously' not 15 and never 'claimed' to be. That number was put there by the Christian Chat Forum program based on the info I entered, and I was not aware that my age would be posted there under my screen name. There is no way to remove it and I have never been on any other Forum that does that.

** TOPIC PUT TO REST **

Discernment, seriously? I'd call that common sense.

Oh so you put in a bogus birthdateis all....ok moving along....

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