The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda

[eternally-gratefull]

"All the gap does (in my view) is show God made a mistake with Satan, And man is the result.. and takes away from the power of Creation.. and the majesty of God, Who says, let there be (whatever it is he is creating) and it becomes in its perfected form."

You said that above. How does the Gap show that God made a mistake with Satan? You don't support what you said there at all. How in that sense even would God having created Adam take away from the power of God's creation? None of that proves anything. It's just your opinion, and without giving any Biblical proof to back it up.

So this proves what you said? That I claimed God created evil in the beginning?

I said it was my opinion. This I was not saying it was fact. SO GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

You still have lied, and claimed I said God created evil in the beginning, Back your claim dude, or prove you have slandered me!

But I'll tell you what Satan's rebellion meant. It allowed death to be assigned to flesh Adam once he also disobeyed God's commandment, and brought death to every flesh born man of this world. And for this reason, like Hebrews 2:14 and 1 John 3:8 shows, Jesus was manifested for us for that reason, to destroy the devil and his works. That's why The Gospel was ordained to come from the foundation of this world. And in some NT cases, the Greek for that word "foundation" also means the 'overthrow' (i.e., rebellion).

Thats your opinion. Adam would have died no matter if satan sinned and fell or not. You have no biblical proof that is true, infact Scripture refutes what you said, Because the bible said the penalty of sin is death.. So it did not matter what Satan did, man lives and died of his own fault..

Again, DO you want to study things, Or tell us all what YOU OPINION is and judge everyone who disagrees with you?

now again.

DO YOU WANT TO PROVE I SAID GOD CREATED EVIL, or do you want to HUMBLE REPENT AND ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE?

 

[BeyondET]

Here's another parable in God's Word about Satan in the old world, where God uses flesh kings as a type:
. What did our Heavenly Father just say there?

So that's about Pharaoh all this time? I mean, that's who God says there this is about, so what gives? It's parable about Satan in the time of old before he first rebelled, and then after he rebelled and God brought waters of a flood to destroy what Satan did and end that time.

Ill give some credit to you,, you are right about some of Ezekiel 28, speaking of satan, though the reference to Son of Man being satan doesn't sound Correct though the bible may speak of the son of man being satan do you know??
and Matthew 12:24 is the Pharisees speaking against Jesus

[h=1]Names of Satan[/h]The Bible calls Satan by many different names. Each name has a slightly different meaning. The many other names for Satan give a fuller picture of who Satan is and what he does. There are more names for Satan in the Bible than for anyone else except Jesus Christ.
[h=4]Abaddon[/h]Hebrew name for Satan meaning “Destruction”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
[h=4]Accuser[/h]“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, ‘Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.’” Revelation 12:10
[h=4]Adversary[/h]“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8
[h=4]Angel of light[/h]“And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:14
[h=4]Angel of the bottomless pit[/h]“And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
[h=4]Anointed covering cherub[/h]"You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones." Ezekiel 28:14
[h=4]Antichrist[/h]“And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” 1 John 4:3
[h=4]Apollyon[/h]Greek name for Satan meaning “Destroyer”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
[h=4]Beast[/h]“9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, ‘If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.’” Revelation 14:9,10 Who is the beast?
[h=4]Beelzebub[/h]“Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, ‘This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Matthew 12:24
[h=4]Belial[/h]“And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?” 2 Corinthians 6:15
[h=4]Deceiver[/h]“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
[h=4]Devil[/h]“He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” 1 John 3:8
[h=4]Dragon[/h]“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
[h=4]Enemy[/h]“The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.” Matthew 13:39
[h=4]Evil one[/h]“I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.” John 17:15
[h=4]Father of lies[/h]“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
[h=4]God of this age[/h]“Whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” 2 Corinthians 4:4
[h=4]King of Babylon[/h]“That you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: ‘How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased!’” Isaiah 14:4
[h=4]King of the bottomless pit[/h]“And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
[h=4]King of Tyre[/h]"Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.”’” Ezekiel 28:12
[h=4]Lawless one[/h]“8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10
[h=4]Leviathan[/h]“In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great and strong,
Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent,
Leviathan that twisted serpent;
And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.” Isaiah 27:1
[h=4]Liar[/h]“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
[h=4]Little horn[/h]“ 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.” Daniel 8:9-11
[h=4]Lucifer[/h]"12 How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
'I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.'” Isaiah 14:12-14
[h=4]Man of sin[/h]“3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4
[h=4]Murderer[/h]“44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
[h=4]Power of darkness[/h]“13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13, 14
[h=4]Prince of the power of the air[/h]“1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.” Ephesians 2:1,2
[h=4]Roaring lion[/h]“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8
[h=4]Rulers of the darkness[/h]“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12
[h=4]Ruler of demons[/h]“But some of them said, ‘He casts out demons by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Luke 11:15
[h=4]Ruler of this world[/h]“31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” John 12:31,32
[h=4]Satan[/h]“And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan, and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to Him.” Mark 1:13
[h=4]Serpent of old[/h]“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
[h=4]Son of perdition[/h]“3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4
[h=4]Star[/h]“Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.” Revelation 9:1
[h=4]Tempter[/h]“Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, ‘If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.’” Matthew 4:3
[h=4]Thief[/h]“The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” John 10:10
[h=4]Wicked one[/h]“Above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.” Ephesians 6:16
This list of names for Satan has been taken from the New King James Version of the Bible.
There may be other names for Satan in the Bible. Please send me an email if you know of a name for Satan that I have missed.

 

[Gr8grace]

Only the 'zoon' beings God created to surround His Throne have no free will.

the 'zoon' beings? Never heard of that.

What/who are they?

 

[DP]

See there you go putting words into people mouths again You have issues DP. No one made this claim nor did anyone deny it.

Satan sinned in the beginning, It does not mean God created evil, or that he sinned after adam did, Do you have anything of value to add, or just twist people words, and make it look like they do not know what they are talking about?

But placing Satan's rebellion AT the time when Adam sinned is OK?

Since you mentioned at the time of the creation, there is nothing written nor inferred Satan rebelled then. But there is in Ezek.31 that it was before the foundation of this world, likewise with Ezek.28.

The topic is when did physical deterioration and death occure, Before adams sin, or after.. Nice try to make it something else.

The topic was when did Satan rebel, and we already know death was assigned to him at his fall, for only he and his angels have already been assigned to perish in the lake of fire. No flesh born man has yet. Like God said in Isaiah, Tophet (put for the lake of fire) has been prepared "of old" for the king (Satan).

oh and PS. you did not prove anything, but your opinion.. You still have not shown WHY physical death occured before adams sin.

I didn't prove it, God's Word has proven the existence of 'death' prior to Adam; you're simply having a hard time believing it because of stubbornness. I could tell you the sky is blue right now, and you'd say it's green because you are so disagreeable in your thinking. What does it take for you to understand Heb.2:14 that to Satan was assigned the POWER OF DEATH?

Let's see, Adam sinned and death then came in, imparted to all? NO!

Satan first sinned, and the power of death was assigned to him, and then Adam sinned and death was assigned to all men, in that order per God's Word.

The idea of the "original sin" assigned to Adam is such a strange tradition of men! It forgets who actually made the very first sin, i.e., the devil.

Rev 6:8
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
KJV

That's Satan, as "Death" is simply one of his many titles.

???? What does this have to do with the action of a SPIRITUAL being bringing about a curse on PHYSICAL BEINGS?

Your kidding, right? Death entered because of Satan's sin; he is the author of the concept of death, which is why the power of death has been assigned to him. Adam likewise sinned which is how death in the flesh came. Because of his rebellion against God, The Gospel was ordained for this world so man could make a choice to be with The Father and The Son for eternity, or reject Him and perish with the wicked. Jesus was sent to die on the cross thus defeating the devil and death, for us.

Today's creation is an imperfect one compare to how the world to come is going to be. Everything dies and decays during this present world, as Paul said God placed today's creation in a state of vanity, in bondage of corruption. So when speaking of a beautiful creation for today, that is only a delusion since God is going to make a perfect new heavens and new earth for His eternity.

If what you say is true, Then adam and eve would have been created IMPERFECT, and dying before they even sinned.. The fact that they, as well as all creation, where made perfect beings, and this perfection continued until the fall of man. SHows you have alot of hoops to climb to prove Gap.

Relying on your own reasoning again I see. Ideas that creation of this world was perfect goes against what Paul showed in Rom.8 about God making the creation in bondage to corruption. That's about the events from Gen.1:2 to end of Gen.1.

Adam and Eve were not... made perfect beings. if that were so, they would not have needed Jesus as we. Also, they could not have been subjected to sin if they were already perfect. Who gave you that idea anyway?

We know sin had... to come in, so that God's Salvation through His Son could be given to those who believe, for all fall short of the glory of God. And it's that point which points back to Satan having caused the need for this world so Christ would be born to defeat death and the devil for us.[/COLOR]

 

[DP]

the 'zoon' beings? Never heard of that.

What/who are they?

It's the "beast" (Greek zoon) of Rev.4:7 surrounding God's Throne:

Rev 4:7
7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
KJV

 

[DP]

Ill give some credit to you,, you are right about some of Ezekiel 28, speaking of satan, though the reference to Son of Man being satan doesn't sound Correct though the bible may speak of the son of man being satan do you know??
and Matthew 12:24 is the Pharisees speaking against Jesus

The title "Son of man" in Ezek.28 is God speaking to Ezekiel. It's not a reference to Satan. And "man" is lower case in my KJV Bible.

 

[BeyondET]

The title "Son of man" in Ezek.28 is God speaking to Ezekiel. It's not a reference to Satan. And "man" is lower case in my KJV Bible.

Huh were did you get my typo as a title I see you like playing with words that's bazaar.

 

[Gr8grace]

So the topic becomes, WHEN was the begining?

At Genesis 1:1. We have no Idea when that was. Scripture seems to point at a time way before Adam was created. And the angels were around before He created the earth and satan had not fallen yet.

Job 38~~ 4“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, 5Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it? 6“On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone, 7When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

There is another truth that gets overlooked here. "where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?" IOW, a question that can't be answered by us.Yet, we have the majority of believers today saying it is at the time He created Adam.

It sure looks like God was restoring the earth( a picture of salvation/grace) to make it suitable for the creation of mankind.

 

[DP]

Huh were did you get my typo as a title I see you like playing with words that's bazaar.

I'm not playing anything. I hit "Reply With Quote" and that's how the software here rendered your words.

If you look at your post #142, you have "Son of Man", where you question that being about Satan in the Ezek.28 chapter, and I agree, because it's a reference to Ezekiel, and it's "Son of man" in the KJV Bible that I use. So what's the problem? If it were "Son of Man" that would be a reference to our Lord Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But placing Satan's rebellion AT the time when Adam sinned is OK?

Who did this? I already said, No one knows how long after adam was created, that he sinned, it could have been many years..

Again, Your making judgments based on assumptions which are not proven and in doing so. Making a doctrine out of them. and bearing false witness on me because of them,

again, Where did I ever say GOD CREATED EVIL???

Since you mentioned at the time of the creation, there is nothing written nor inferred Satan rebelled then. But there is in Ezek.31 that it was before the foundation of this world, likewise with Ezek.28.

So satan fell before the heavens and the earth were created? well you just destroyed your own theory, Because if that is true, Then God could have then created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal 24 hour periods. In thise time, created adam and eve, and then later. Satan deceived eve, and her and her husband fell. causing the deterioration of life as we know it.

Gap theory proven just that, A THEORY WHICH IS NOT PROVEN,, and is questionable at best.

The topic was when did Satan rebel, and we already know death was assigned to him at his fall, for only he and his angels have already been assigned to perish in the lake of fire. No flesh born man has yet. Like God said in Isaiah, Tophet (put for the lake of fire) has been prepared "of old" for the king (Satan).

dude , You responded to my post of how death could not have come before adam's sin, That is the topic of our discussion. So keep on topic. or move on, Because I am sick of your false accusations, and lack of humility whenever we talk of these things.

I didn't prove it, God's Word has proven the existence of 'death' prior to Adam; you're simply having a hard time believing it because of stubbornness. I could tell you the sky is blue right now, and you'd say it's green because you are so disagreeable in your thinking. What does it take for you to understand Heb.2:14 that to Satan was assigned the POWER OF DEATH?

Let's see, Adam sinned and death then came in, imparted to all? NO!

Satan first sinned, and the power of death was assigned to him, and then Adam sinned and death was assigned to all men, in that order per God's Word.

The idea of the "original sin" assigned to Adam is such a strange tradition of men! It forgets who actually made the very first sin, i.e., the devil.

Rev 6:8
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
KJV

That's Satan, as "Death" is simply one of his many titles.

You do not listen do you?

The spiritual death of spiritual beings can not be equated to death of phsyical beings.

I am said to be in adam, He is my head, I died because adam died.. I can live because Christ lives.

You have not proven a thing. Because you are not sticking to the topic.. I never claimed spiritual death first started with adam, nor do I have to.. The gap theory states PHYSICAL death occured to PHYSICAL creation because of satans sin, THERE IS NO PROOF OF THIS,,

Your kidding, right? Death entered because of Satan's sin;

Um Nope. Satans spiritual death did, Satan did not die physically, nor did physical death occure because of satans sin..

Next.

he is the author of the concept of death, which is why the power of death has been assigned to him.

He is the author of lies, and because of his lies, and the fact Adam and Eve listened to him and not God, He is said to be the father of death..

He did not cause, or create death.. The garden was perfect.. There was no death in pre sin period.. God created the heavens and the earth and all life (including man) and God said it was good.

Thats good enough for me..

Adam likewise sinned which is how death in the flesh came.

Thank you, You just proved me right..

Because of his rebellion against God, The Gospel was ordained for this world so man could make a choice to be with The Father and The Son for eternity, or reject Him and perish with the wicked. Jesus was sent to die on the cross thus defeating the devil and death, for us.

Today's creation is an imperfect one compare to how the world to come is going to be. Everything dies and decays during this present world, as Paul said God placed today's creation in a state of vanity, in bondage of corruption. So when speaking of a beautiful creation for today, that is only a delusion since God is going to make a perfect new heavens and new earth for His eternity.

What does this have to do with physical death for millions of years of creatures ansd life on earth before adam sinned?

Jesus himself said, because of adams sin, God cursed the ground, Meaning the earth started to die at that moment, In fact, at that moment all creation has started to die.

Relying on your own reasoning again I see. Ideas that creation of this world was perfect goes against what Paul showed in Rom.8 about God making the creation in bondage to corruption. That's about the events from Gen.1:2 to end of Gen.1.

um, thanks for your opinion.

Paul did not say this, it says creation is in bondgage, awaiting until it is restored.

Creation was not in bondage until sin, and the earth was nnot in bondage until Adam sinned.

"ps, now who is saying God created evil, You just claimed that very thing yourself..

Adam and Eve were not... made perfect beings. if that were so, they would not have needed Jesus as we. Also, they could not have been subjected to sin if they were already perfect. Who gave you that idea anyway?

Who gave you the idea that perfection means one can be physically ill and eventually die, and can not sin?

If this was the case, Jesus telling adam and eve they will start to die the moment they ate of that tree is meaningless. They were already going to die anyway.

Sounds like your drawing on straws.

God made us perfect in the way he designed us.. We destroyed that when we sinned..

Next..

We know sin had... to come in, so that God's Salvation through His Son could be given to those who believe, for all fall short of the glory of God. And it's that point which points back to Satan having caused the need for this world so Christ would be born to defeat death and the devil for us.

there you go again, God created evil, so he can glorify his son.



No. If mankind never sinned God still would have been glorified, the only difference is his son could remained in heaven and the corss never would occure.
But God knew that would not happen, So instead of changing his mind, and never making man,, He made a plan to save men, then made them, knowing they would fall.

 

[BeyondET]

M

I'm not playing anything. I hit "Reply With Quote" and that's how the software here rendered your words.

If you look at your post #142, you have "Son of Man", where you question that being about Satan in the Ezek.28 chapter, and I agree, because it's a reference to Ezekiel, and it's "Son of man" in the KJV Bible that I use. So what's the problem? If it were "Son of Man" that would be a reference to our Lord Jesus.

What i said was not a title or anything else just my typo pretty simple.

 

[Gr8grace]

It's the "beast" (Greek zoon) of Rev.4:7 surrounding God's Throne:

Rev 4:7
7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
KJV

Thank you.

 

[prove-all]

the Beast can not be the devil there
the dragon which gave power unto the beast

Revelation 13:2
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet
were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?

 

[prove-all]

[h=3]Isaiah 45:7[/h]

I form the light, and create darkness:

I make peace, and create evil:

I the Lord do all these things.​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

At Genesis 1:1. We have no Idea when that was. Scripture seems to point at a time way before Adam was created. And the angels were around before He created the earth and satan had not fallen yet.

Job 38~~ 4“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, 5Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it? 6“On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone, 7When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

There is another truth that gets overlooked here. "where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?" IOW, a question that can't be answered by us.Yet, we have the majority of believers today saying it is at the time He created Adam.

It sure looks like God was restoring the earth( a picture of salvation/grace) to make it suitable for the creation of mankind.

looks like is not proof. That is my point to DP. and why he can never discuss anything with anyone, he is to judgmental, and continues to twist what they say.

What you say may be true, I was an avid GAP theorist myself for many years, until I started to really look into YEC and changed my view based on new evidence I saw. Mostly because the flood seemed to answer all my questions about how old things are, and what brought about certain things.. I think Peter aluded to this when he said men in the last days will ask for signs of a creator their excuse is all things are as they have been since the beginning (that by the way, is how we can know how old things are.. Because since the begining, things have always been the same, even the rate of decay)
What was peters answer. the flood..

As for your post. The foundation of the world was layed before life was created.. so even in a 7 day creation. No life was near when the foundation was laid..

at least this is my view, Thank you for your response brother..

 

[BeyondET]

the Beast can not be the devil there
the dragon which gave power unto the beast

Revelation 13:2
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet
were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?

That is interesting in those verses then there is this one which says the Dragon was cast out.

“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9

 

[Gr8grace]

The foundation of the world was layed before life was created.. so even in a 7 day creation. No life was near when the foundation was laid..

Can't really understand what you are saying here?

I will answer for how I take it.

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?" Why couldn't of Job answered this question? He could of just said, "seven/six days before you created man."

Job 38 indicates that there was life near when God laid the foundation of the earth. All the angels shouted for joy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can't really understand what you are saying here?

I will answer for how I take it.

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?" Why couldn't of Job answered this question? He could of just said, "seven/six days before you created man."

Job 38 indicates that there was life near when God laid the foundation of the earth. All the angels shouted for joy.

It still does not prove the earth is a few million or a billion years old..

Thats my point.

I never said it was set in stone satan was created after or during the 6 day literal creation..

The gap theory presupposes the earth was created for satan, When satan fell, God placed a veil around the earth, He "recreated" the earth in order for mankind to inhabit the earth (taking it away from satan as punishment) which is why satan worked so hard to get it back.

This explains why there are no dinosours after genesis 1. Why fossils can be found that are billion of years old.. Why the stars are so far, yet their lights could be seen when adam was created etc etc etc.

)at least that is the version of "gap" I fell for as a teenager)

and like I said, When I started to study the flood. My views on all those things changed, because the flood answers alot of my questions I had which gap attempted to answer (I was excited when I saw GAP. I could finally explain to my non christian friends why it seems science and the bible does not meet, when I did not need Gap to do this. as I found out later,, i, e, I just to conclusions.

 

[Gr8grace]

It still does not prove the earth is a few million or a billion years old..

Thats my point.

I never said it was set in stone satan was created after or during the 6 day literal creation..

The gap theory presupposes the earth was created for satan, When satan fell, God placed a veil around the earth, He "recreated" the earth in order for mankind to inhabit the earth (taking it away from satan as punishment) which is why satan worked so hard to get it back.

This explains why there are no dinosours after genesis 1. Why fossils can be found that are billion of years old.. Why the stars are so far, yet their lights could be seen when adam was created etc etc etc.

)at least that is the version of "gap" I fell for as a teenager)

and like I said, When I started to study the flood. My views on all those things changed, because the flood answers alot of my questions I had which gap attempted to answer (I was excited when I saw GAP. I could finally explain to my non christian friends why it seems science and the bible does not meet, when I did not need Gap to do this. as I found out later,, i, e, I just to conclusions.

Thanks EG.

Can you give an example of one of your questions and how the flood answered it?

 

[Hawkins]

All kinds of scientific theories are based on the following assumptions made,

1) we humans understand the nature of time
2) planet is in its current position (space-time) all the times


However and as a matter of fact, no humans truly understand time. Einstein ever said, time is not a stable physics unit, but speed/velocity is.

Humans don't understand how time-space works. For example how earth and sun can be "frozen" as mentioned in a war between the Jews and Canaanites.

That is to say, in case of a time-space shift occurred as a result of God manipulated our earth for a miracle, how will our dating methods work then?