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So what constitutes "ancient"? If a law or practice is over 200yrs old, then it should be repealed?
Our society is a much kinder and gentler place... we're more "civilized" now? And, our government will NEVER try to take away our rights against our wishes, becoming a tyranny?
I believe that's what the citizens of Germany thought in 1936 or so. "Our government would NEVER do THAT..."
If we don't learn from our mistakes, societally, then the human race is doomed. Which, I suppose, it actually IS.
Given a choice to be a sheep or a wolf, I'd pick wolf every time. (but I'd be a benevolent wolf)
Our society is a much kinder and gentler place... we're more "civilized" now? And, our government will NEVER try to take away our rights against our wishes, becoming a tyranny?
I believe that's what the citizens of Germany thought in 1936 or so. "Our government would NEVER do THAT..."
If we don't learn from our mistakes, societally, then the human race is doomed. Which, I suppose, it actually IS.
Given a choice to be a sheep or a wolf, I'd pick wolf every time. (but I'd be a benevolent wolf)
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So what constitutes "ancient"? If a law or practice is over 200yrs old, then it should be repealed?
Our society is a much kinder and gentler place... we're more "civilized" now? And, our government will NEVER try to take away our rights against our wishes, becoming a tyranny?
I believe that's what the citizens of Germany thought in 1936 or so. "Our government would NEVER do THAT..."
If we don't learn from our mistakes, societally, then the human race is doomed. Which, I suppose, it actually IS.
Given a choice to be a sheep or a wolf, I'd pick wolf every time. (but I'd be a benevolent wolf)
Our society is a much kinder and gentler place... we're more "civilized" now? And, our government will NEVER try to take away our rights against our wishes, becoming a tyranny?
I believe that's what the citizens of Germany thought in 1936 or so. "Our government would NEVER do THAT..."
If we don't learn from our mistakes, societally, then the human race is doomed. Which, I suppose, it actually IS.
Given a choice to be a sheep or a wolf, I'd pick wolf every time. (but I'd be a benevolent wolf)
It's amazing what an armed populace can accomplish.
There was a group of Jews in one of the ghettos that held off the German army for several weeks, with only one or two rifles. If they had been properly armed, the Germans likely would have been stopped.
Nuclear warheads? Do you think the US govt would nuke their own country? Seriously?
The British army, arguably the most powerful army in the world at that time, couldn't defeat the armed "yanks".....
It's not always about the biggest and best weapons. It's about the will to fight and die for a cause..
And... the citizens here have quite a bit more than a "few handguns"...
There was a group of Jews in one of the ghettos that held off the German army for several weeks, with only one or two rifles. If they had been properly armed, the Germans likely would have been stopped.
Nuclear warheads? Do you think the US govt would nuke their own country? Seriously?
The British army, arguably the most powerful army in the world at that time, couldn't defeat the armed "yanks".....
It's not always about the biggest and best weapons. It's about the will to fight and die for a cause..
And... the citizens here have quite a bit more than a "few handguns"...
I've got to ask, what does your pastor do with 1st Peter 2:13-17
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, [SUP]14 [/SUP]or to governors as sent [SUP][p][/SUP]by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For [SUP][q][/SUP]such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Act as free men, and [SUP][r][/SUP]do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the [SUP][s][/SUP]king.
or Romans 13:1-7
Every [SUP][a][/SUP]person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except [SUP][b][/SUP]from God, and those which exist are established by God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Therefore [SUP][c][/SUP]whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers are not a cause of fear for [SUP][d][/SUP]good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; [SUP]4 [/SUP]for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
or numerous other verses that instruct us to obey the civil authorities?
The first time I heard that out of a pastor's mouth I would get up, walk out, and never return. IMO if a pastor is going to instruct his congregation to go against anything that the Bible is that clear on, how can I trust him to correctly teach me on subjects that might be less clear?
I find it difficult (not impossible) to believe that in a major metropolitan area like yours that there aren't at least a couple of good churches. Of course depending on your particular doctrinal stances (and how tightly you hold them) it can become more difficult.
Personally I've been fond of Calvary Chapel and currently attend a CMA church. The CMA hangs their hats on the essentials but is relatively loose on secondary doctrines in which case each congregation can have a very different feel
Personally I've been fond of Calvary Chapel and currently attend a CMA church. The CMA hangs their hats on the essentials but is relatively loose on secondary doctrines in which case each congregation can have a very different feel
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It's amazing what an armed populace can accomplish.
There was a group of Jews in one of the ghettos that held off the German army for several weeks, with only one or two rifles. If they had been properly armed, the Germans likely would have been stopped.
Nuclear warheads? Do you think the US govt would nuke their own country? Seriously?
The British army, arguably the most powerful army in the world at that time, couldn't defeat the armed "yanks".....
It's not always about the biggest and best weapons. It's about the will to fight and die for a cause..
And... the citizens here have quite a bit more than a "few handguns"...
There was a group of Jews in one of the ghettos that held off the German army for several weeks, with only one or two rifles. If they had been properly armed, the Germans likely would have been stopped.
Nuclear warheads? Do you think the US govt would nuke their own country? Seriously?
The British army, arguably the most powerful army in the world at that time, couldn't defeat the armed "yanks".....
It's not always about the biggest and best weapons. It's about the will to fight and die for a cause..
And... the citizens here have quite a bit more than a "few handguns"...
Tommy keeps referring back hundreds of years as an argument...as if this is relevant today.
We helped 'em burn the white house
On August 24, 1814, after defeating the Americans at the Battle of Bladensburg, a British force led by Major General Robert Ross occupied Washington, D.C., and set fire to many public buildings, including the White House (known as the Presidential Mansion at the time), and the Capitol, as well as other facilities of the U.S. government.
The attack was in part a retaliation for the recent American destruction of Port Dover in Upper Canada. It marks the only time in U.S. history that Washington, D.C., has been occupied by a foreign force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington
On August 24, 1814, after defeating the Americans at the Battle of Bladensburg, a British force led by Major General Robert Ross occupied Washington, D.C., and set fire to many public buildings, including the White House (known as the Presidential Mansion at the time), and the Capitol, as well as other facilities of the U.S. government.
The attack was in part a retaliation for the recent American destruction of Port Dover in Upper Canada. It marks the only time in U.S. history that Washington, D.C., has been occupied by a foreign force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington
Yes, you are correct about the gov't having more weapons... but I think Tommy is talking about the result of an armed populace, who is fighting for their "homeland"... how that can tip the scales in the favor of the "underdog". I has, many times. Of course it is not always successful... which leads to sayings like "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees" ....
Of course, in reality, at THIS point in our history, we ARE a "kinder, gentler" society in many ways.
Scenario: We disarm the nation... like, say... Australia or GB... with Muslims flooding over here at the rate they are, if they decide to vote in Sharia law? We either bow to Islam, or we die. Perhaps an extreme example, but... all such examples are considered extreme... until they happen.
I would rather have a choice in how I live my life..
Of course, in reality, at THIS point in our history, we ARE a "kinder, gentler" society in many ways.
Scenario: We disarm the nation... like, say... Australia or GB... with Muslims flooding over here at the rate they are, if they decide to vote in Sharia law? We either bow to Islam, or we die. Perhaps an extreme example, but... all such examples are considered extreme... until they happen.
I would rather have a choice in how I live my life..
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You're right. People do thrive on these emotions. Yes police officers do have a right to protect and serve. That is their function. To protect and serve. America would be hell without our cops.But some officers react out of fear,anger or just to intimidate because they have a license to kill. They are in a high pressure job and dealing with volatile, violent and sometimes mentally unstable people.Then there are the"bad" cops who hurt innocent people or intimidate prostitutes into performing sexual favors for them.Or steal money from dope busts and e.t.c.We need to pray for the men and women in law enforcement. Some of them are as corrupt as any crooked politician.
I didn't mean to say they weren't out there, somewhere. I just meant that it takes years to sort through 600 churches.
We went to Calvary Chapel for some time, and found it far too big and impersonal, not oriented toward the gifts (unless we could accept them being "attended to" only in back rooms after the service), not at all spontaneous, and the one here is hugely commercial and money driven. It's a small "Mega" church.... about 2,000 to 3,000 people.
We went to Calvary Chapel for some time, and found it far too big and impersonal, not oriented toward the gifts (unless we could accept them being "attended to" only in back rooms after the service), not at all spontaneous, and the one here is hugely commercial and money driven. It's a small "Mega" church.... about 2,000 to 3,000 people.