Is that the power of Holy Spirit?
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The gift of discerning of spirits is a gift of the Holy Ghost found in 1 Cor 12.10
When this gift is put into operation, many have reported seeing angels in church services or demons attempting to do harm on people.
The first time this happened to me, I was in a service and we were worshiping God and singing, the service had started about 30 minutes prior and the Pastor gave the invitation for people to come up and get saved. 15 people came to the front and when the first person gave their life to Jesus for the first time, I heard this sound I could not understand, It was one of the most beautiful sounds I have ever heard, the sound grew louder and louder....I heard clapping and then shouts and the beautiful sound grew more clear. I opened my eyes and "every head was bowed and every eye was closed" and it was silent in the church....I could still hear this beautiful chorus and clapping and shouts of Joy I closed my eyes and could hear the word Hallelujah over and over...but it sounded like a bird singing it....I opened my eyes again and saw a multitude of angels in the church sanctuary and it was them making the noise....A dear elderly woman sitting in front of me...got my attention and whispered into my ear...Son , the Holy Spirit is allowing you to see how the angels rejoice when one sinner comes to Jesus...soak it up and treasure it as an intimate encounter....Every time one of those 15 people gave their life the chorus reached a new height and the angels radiated even brighter than before....I cannot even describe the peace that flooded over my mind, spirit and body...when the last person gave their life....The door to the spiritual realm closed...it was an experience I will never forget...
After service my Pastor told me that he the Holy ghost told him to gave the invitation before he preached and he could see angels circling the church outside and confirmed what I had seen...... this was the start of a week long revival service, the next night I saw demons on and in people, and many others things I will not go into.....
I have never seen anyone ascend or descend a and not even sure what you mean by this...But I have seen and heard the angelic and demonic.....and I am not alone...
When this gift is put into operation, many have reported seeing angels in church services or demons attempting to do harm on people.
The first time this happened to me, I was in a service and we were worshiping God and singing, the service had started about 30 minutes prior and the Pastor gave the invitation for people to come up and get saved. 15 people came to the front and when the first person gave their life to Jesus for the first time, I heard this sound I could not understand, It was one of the most beautiful sounds I have ever heard, the sound grew louder and louder....I heard clapping and then shouts and the beautiful sound grew more clear. I opened my eyes and "every head was bowed and every eye was closed" and it was silent in the church....I could still hear this beautiful chorus and clapping and shouts of Joy I closed my eyes and could hear the word Hallelujah over and over...but it sounded like a bird singing it....I opened my eyes again and saw a multitude of angels in the church sanctuary and it was them making the noise....A dear elderly woman sitting in front of me...got my attention and whispered into my ear...Son , the Holy Spirit is allowing you to see how the angels rejoice when one sinner comes to Jesus...soak it up and treasure it as an intimate encounter....Every time one of those 15 people gave their life the chorus reached a new height and the angels radiated even brighter than before....I cannot even describe the peace that flooded over my mind, spirit and body...when the last person gave their life....The door to the spiritual realm closed...it was an experience I will never forget...
After service my Pastor told me that he the Holy ghost told him to gave the invitation before he preached and he could see angels circling the church outside and confirmed what I had seen...... this was the start of a week long revival service, the next night I saw demons on and in people, and many others things I will not go into.....
I have never seen anyone ascend or descend a and not even sure what you mean by this...But I have seen and heard the angelic and demonic.....and I am not alone...
Thank you for sharing that. I love the genuine work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. He brings "life" to us.
My brother also has had the discerning of spirits ( which I agree is not called the gift of discernment ) and he saw a little dark imp like creature hanging on the shoulder and neck of someone what walked by him in a mall.
My brother also has had the discerning of spirits ( which I agree is not called the gift of discernment ) and he saw a little dark imp like creature hanging on the shoulder and neck of someone what walked by him in a mall.
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Oh carve the ham Roger...you did not use terminology to fool anyone....You are outright lying to people and using traps on people just like they did with Jesus...to protect your traditions....the only trouble is, we see you coming, and are not fooled by any little games you play, you are not wise and harmless, you are devious and harmful....
Did you see my post #55 on what we experience when people fall? You don't comment on those kinds of posts because your mind cannot refute it or allow you to agree....Just like your buddy Stephen63 cannot comment on the Love and intimacy with God aspect, because he has yet to ever relate to that fact God is Love...not any of you comment on the meat matters, because it goes against the conditioning of your carnal minds filled with distorted communicated Bible Knowledge...You cannot refute it and you cannot agree with it, although deep inside you all hunger for something more...
Stop playing your games and just play straight, you don't fool anyone here....
Did you see my post #55 on what we experience when people fall? You don't comment on those kinds of posts because your mind cannot refute it or allow you to agree....Just like your buddy Stephen63 cannot comment on the Love and intimacy with God aspect, because he has yet to ever relate to that fact God is Love...not any of you comment on the meat matters, because it goes against the conditioning of your carnal minds filled with distorted communicated Bible Knowledge...You cannot refute it and you cannot agree with it, although deep inside you all hunger for something more...
Stop playing your games and just play straight, you don't fool anyone here....
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HERE IS WHAT I POSTED WITH REGARDS TO THE OP AND ROGER HERE SAYS IT DOES NOT APPLY AND SAYS I AM RELIGIOUS
SLINGING LIES AND INSULTS SEEMS TO BE THE RESPONSE FROM MANY WHO THROW THE GIFTS OF GOD BACK IN HIS FACE
RIGHT...SO I WILL LEAVE YOU IN YOUR REJECTION THEN ROGER
well, this is a long read, but it is your answer...I Corinthians 14
1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue[SUP]a[/SUP]does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.
3But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.4Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.
5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,[SUP]b[/SUP] but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[SUP]c[/SUP] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes?
8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.13For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say.
14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding
.16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[SUP]d[/SUP] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.
19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.20Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults.
21In the Law it is written:“With other tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, says the Lord.”
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?
24But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all,
25as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”Good Order in Worship
26What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.
27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to
God.29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop.
31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.34Women[SUP]f[/SUP] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[SUP]g[/SUP]36Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?
37If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.
39Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
so basically, it's all good until people get a hold of it and pervert it and want to use the gifts instead of letting the Holy Spirit us the gifts through THEM
You can't take it straight. I'm not out to fool anyone. I'm only endeavoring to get folks to see that what you profess as truth does not match up with the bible.
I am not fooled by the mystical nature of your religion. As much as it pains you to face questions about the biblical veracity of your religion these questions must be probed and eventually answered.
Is it proper biblically for you to see visions?
Is what the OP described an operation of the Holy Spirit? I don't have enough information but I suspect it is all fake.
At the end of the day each must ask themselves is Christ sufficient? Is the bible sufficient to meet my needs as a believer? Do I have fellowship with the Lord through the Holy Spirit and am I growing in the Lord?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I am not fooled by the mystical nature of your religion. As much as it pains you to face questions about the biblical veracity of your religion these questions must be probed and eventually answered.
Is it proper biblically for you to see visions?
Is what the OP described an operation of the Holy Spirit? I don't have enough information but I suspect it is all fake.
At the end of the day each must ask themselves is Christ sufficient? Is the bible sufficient to meet my needs as a believer? Do I have fellowship with the Lord through the Holy Spirit and am I growing in the Lord?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I was training a minister that is under us on this gift and she asked why she had to see both sides....I said that is how the gift operates...
For those people that have a hard time believing these things are for the church, maybe I should also tell you something that you should know.
Those who are in the powers of darkness use dark gifts against you every day of your life. We know several people who have come to Jesus who where in the occult and shared their stories of how they could see things in the spiritual realm on Christians, just like the Holy Ghost allows us to see things on them.....
The common/constant testimony we hear from these people is that Christians are easy prey, because they don't believe the New Testament part of Bible and everything contained in the NT is for today.....They all say the 2 greatest deceptions in the church is that Satan and his followers are not real and the Holy Ghost is not a HE and there is no Holy Ghost ministry today...it was for only back then...
I have had fortune tellers, pagans and occult people get sick in my presence many times.....The first time this happened to me was on a mission trip to Costa Rica. We were doing dramas in the town square to attract kids and teenagers. As we were setting up and group of young adult s walked up to us and asked us what we were doing...The leader of the group, began vomiting violently in front of me...the rest of the group lost all boldness and looked scared...The woman spoke perfect English and said, we need to stay away from here, he is marked, he is one of them and we cannot have victory agaisnt what is in him....they all ran off and we never saw them again...One of the Host Pastors told me that the woman was a local Black Magic sorceress and that she was physically and spiritually affected by my presence, because she saw me marked with the power of the Holy Ghost in the spiritual realm...she also confirmed 1 John 4.4
Another US based Church Group were with us and were encountered by the same leader and group at different location that day, and the whole team had to fly out a few days later due to sudden sickness, fear, internal strife and division, ministry jealousy, pride, etc.....
I saw that woman at a bus stop the next week and we talked. Sadly, she had no desire to come to Jesus and loved being in the powers of darkness. I asked her what the difference between my group and the other group was...She smiled and said, your group believe in the Holy Ghost and in his ministry.....and Jesus Christ has baptized you and your team in him, which gives you the power to witness....those others, LOL!!,... we overheard them at the restaurant talking how the gifts and the ministry of the Holy Ghost was not for today and they were talking bad about you and your team...Yet we watched your team operate in perfect love towards them......Perfect voles casts out fear man of God....you won this battle...but the war is not over....I told her that when Jesus Christ dies, was buried and was raised to life, it was an eternal victory....she stopped smiling and ran off....without being sexual, I will also say she was without doubt one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen in my life...
Better wake up church.....Better wake up....
For those people that have a hard time believing these things are for the church, maybe I should also tell you something that you should know.
Those who are in the powers of darkness use dark gifts against you every day of your life. We know several people who have come to Jesus who where in the occult and shared their stories of how they could see things in the spiritual realm on Christians, just like the Holy Ghost allows us to see things on them.....
The common/constant testimony we hear from these people is that Christians are easy prey, because they don't believe the New Testament part of Bible and everything contained in the NT is for today.....They all say the 2 greatest deceptions in the church is that Satan and his followers are not real and the Holy Ghost is not a HE and there is no Holy Ghost ministry today...it was for only back then...
I have had fortune tellers, pagans and occult people get sick in my presence many times.....The first time this happened to me was on a mission trip to Costa Rica. We were doing dramas in the town square to attract kids and teenagers. As we were setting up and group of young adult s walked up to us and asked us what we were doing...The leader of the group, began vomiting violently in front of me...the rest of the group lost all boldness and looked scared...The woman spoke perfect English and said, we need to stay away from here, he is marked, he is one of them and we cannot have victory agaisnt what is in him....they all ran off and we never saw them again...One of the Host Pastors told me that the woman was a local Black Magic sorceress and that she was physically and spiritually affected by my presence, because she saw me marked with the power of the Holy Ghost in the spiritual realm...she also confirmed 1 John 4.4
Another US based Church Group were with us and were encountered by the same leader and group at different location that day, and the whole team had to fly out a few days later due to sudden sickness, fear, internal strife and division, ministry jealousy, pride, etc.....
I saw that woman at a bus stop the next week and we talked. Sadly, she had no desire to come to Jesus and loved being in the powers of darkness. I asked her what the difference between my group and the other group was...She smiled and said, your group believe in the Holy Ghost and in his ministry.....and Jesus Christ has baptized you and your team in him, which gives you the power to witness....those others, LOL!!,... we overheard them at the restaurant talking how the gifts and the ministry of the Holy Ghost was not for today and they were talking bad about you and your team...Yet we watched your team operate in perfect love towards them......Perfect voles casts out fear man of God....you won this battle...but the war is not over....I told her that when Jesus Christ dies, was buried and was raised to life, it was an eternal victory....she stopped smiling and ran off....without being sexual, I will also say she was without doubt one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen in my life...
Better wake up church.....Better wake up....
More malicious misrepresentations of my position.
What you describe as tongues in the modern charismatic or Pentecostal church are not the tongues of the bible. It is reasonable and biblically sound to say that they are not produced by the Holy Spirit but are produced by the will of man the speaker.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
What you describe as tongues in the modern charismatic or Pentecostal church are not the tongues of the bible. It is reasonable and biblically sound to say that they are not produced by the Holy Spirit but are produced by the will of man the speaker.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
1Corinthians 12, 13, 14 those chapters tell us about what is known as the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit". Like all gifts man & women have misused them. I would even say we have many examples in both the Old and New Testament in Gods word showing those who have done so and they did not have a demon least as normative in scripture .
Old testament :
Moses struct the rock
Abraham did not wait on God created Ismael
David abused his Kingly office
Samson
many more
New Testament :
Peter Denied Jesus, had to be admonished about the gentiles
Notices one thing about 1 Corinthians chapter 12, 13, 14 . it is clear the early church was not operating in the "gifts of the Holy Spirit " properly and the Apostle addressed this as the Holy Spirit told him. Nowhere does he use the word " demon " in the correction as to say those who misused them are doing so by a demon never says that. 2. Paul with the correct gives instruction on how to properly with: maturity, respect, and self-control operate in the gifts as the Holy Spirit gives you the ability. Nowhere does Paul say NOT to use them.
why would the Holy Spirit lead Paul to address this and not only in these three chapters but also in many other writings?. I believe it is because "Church" is the place to be corrected and instructed and discipled on how to use the "Gift of the Holy Spirit".
do people misuse the gifts? yes they do; is it is a demon? could be but not the case in 1 Corinthians 12, 13, 14 or other places in the bible as normative. In each case where those immature Christians used the"Gifts of the Holy Spirit " God choose to correct them and teach them to use all the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit " properly, correctly, maturely, and orderly. read 1 Corinthians chapter 12, 13, 14, Pray as the Lord to give you the desire to use HIS gifts for HIS Glory.
God Bless
Old testament :
Moses struct the rock
Abraham did not wait on God created Ismael
David abused his Kingly office
Samson
many more
New Testament :
Peter Denied Jesus, had to be admonished about the gentiles
Notices one thing about 1 Corinthians chapter 12, 13, 14 . it is clear the early church was not operating in the "gifts of the Holy Spirit " properly and the Apostle addressed this as the Holy Spirit told him. Nowhere does he use the word " demon " in the correction as to say those who misused them are doing so by a demon never says that. 2. Paul with the correct gives instruction on how to properly with: maturity, respect, and self-control operate in the gifts as the Holy Spirit gives you the ability. Nowhere does Paul say NOT to use them.
why would the Holy Spirit lead Paul to address this and not only in these three chapters but also in many other writings?. I believe it is because "Church" is the place to be corrected and instructed and discipled on how to use the "Gift of the Holy Spirit".
do people misuse the gifts? yes they do; is it is a demon? could be but not the case in 1 Corinthians 12, 13, 14 or other places in the bible as normative. In each case where those immature Christians used the"Gifts of the Holy Spirit " God choose to correct them and teach them to use all the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit " properly, correctly, maturely, and orderly. read 1 Corinthians chapter 12, 13, 14, Pray as the Lord to give you the desire to use HIS gifts for HIS Glory.
God Bless
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Thanks, If I could add to that.
I believe it’s one of those new traditions of men called being “slain in the spirit”, it as sign which meaning the “death of a spirit”. This would indicate they were under the judgment of Christ.
Like other metaphors God uses as signs to indicate men are under the judgment of God. Another, the earth opened her mouth and swallowed, or a pillar of salt using salt to indicate under the judgement of God , or bringing fire from heaven, another falling head long , or one more example as a metaphor to fall as in backward in not getting up.
While in another way that blesses rather than a curse using the word fell , in respect to falling on ones face, as an expression of humbling one’s self under the authority of God. It would represent worshiping God.
Falling backward I believe is a way that God declares whoever it is are under judgement, as the wrath of God revealed from heaven .It in effect speaks of faithless and perverse generation .The generation of Adam
It is used twice to indicate God's judgment in setting up the number twelve as a sign, the number he assigns to His bride the church. Used of the apostle Judas in the new testament, as well as in the same way with the tribe of Dan in the old.
I will offer a few that I think build on the judgement doctrine of God.
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
I Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.sa 1:4
And the sons of Eliab; Nemuel, and Dathan, and Abiram. This is that Dathan and Abiram, which were famous in the congregation, who strove against Moses and against Aaron in the company of Korah, when they strove against the LORD:And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up together with Korah, when that company died, what time the fire devoured two hundred and fifty men: and they became a sign Num 26:9
2Ki 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
The last example when the apostles struggled to understand the parable spoken to them and continued to walk after the manner of the flesh with their hatred for the gentiles as a false zeal..
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
I believe it’s one of those new traditions of men called being “slain in the spirit”, it as sign which meaning the “death of a spirit”. This would indicate they were under the judgment of Christ.
Like other metaphors God uses as signs to indicate men are under the judgment of God. Another, the earth opened her mouth and swallowed, or a pillar of salt using salt to indicate under the judgement of God , or bringing fire from heaven, another falling head long , or one more example as a metaphor to fall as in backward in not getting up.
While in another way that blesses rather than a curse using the word fell , in respect to falling on ones face, as an expression of humbling one’s self under the authority of God. It would represent worshiping God.
Falling backward I believe is a way that God declares whoever it is are under judgement, as the wrath of God revealed from heaven .It in effect speaks of faithless and perverse generation .The generation of Adam
It is used twice to indicate God's judgment in setting up the number twelve as a sign, the number he assigns to His bride the church. Used of the apostle Judas in the new testament, as well as in the same way with the tribe of Dan in the old.
I will offer a few that I think build on the judgement doctrine of God.
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
I Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.sa 1:4
And the sons of Eliab; Nemuel, and Dathan, and Abiram. This is that Dathan and Abiram, which were famous in the congregation, who strove against Moses and against Aaron in the company of Korah, when they strove against the LORD:And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up together with Korah, when that company died, what time the fire devoured two hundred and fifty men: and they became a sign Num 26:9
2Ki 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
The last example when the apostles struggled to understand the parable spoken to them and continued to walk after the manner of the flesh with their hatred for the gentiles as a false zeal..
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
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God nor Jesus is judging anyone right now......I never use the term slain in the spirit, I despise that, because the Holy Ghost is not killing anyone...I prefer to sue the term coming under the power of God....
How you came up with that people coming under the power of God is equal to the Judgement of God is beyond me....
How you came up with that people coming under the power of God is equal to the Judgement of God is beyond me....
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what is malicious is your accusations that those who speak in tongues have a demon
the tongues of the Bible are the tongues given by the Holy Spirit
now the Holy Spirit is still on the earth...you can tell that because the earth has not blown up yet...only in place where the devil rules, like ISIS and so on
the Apostles and other folk living about 2000 years ago have passed away Roger...
now let me put these two things together for you
the SAME Holy Spirit that indwelled the believers 2000 years ago is the SAME Holy Spirit who indwells believers today
so technically speaking? the people have changed, but the Spirit of God is the same
and really, are you now trying to deny your stance that if I speak in tongues...well actually pray, on my way to go into town or before I go to bed or if I feel impressed something needs attention, I am actually praying to Satan?
that sounds like you either have a loose screw or you hate the power of God
God is in control Roger...not you and not me
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I may have missed that...but considering what I know for a fact he has said, maybe he has?!?
according to Roger, thousands upon thousands of believers curse and rail against God
as I often get the interpretation, I know that is not true and so do others here who know what I am talking about
the reason I bring up what Roger has stated, is because people need to know what spirit is actually attacking the gifts here; actually that is pretty much the only spirit that would attack what God desires to give to those who love Him