Jesus Is the Light of the World

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Absolutely not, what would give you that idea in my statement? Certainly not in my threads either which constantly speak out against sinful behavior and about what a true conversion looks like. But here's the problem, there are those who claim themselves to be "Holy Spirit indwelt born again believers" but they also confess to ongoing wilful sin and with no need to repent because they believe all their future sins are already forgiven.

So certainly I hope you can see the contradiction in what they say and do and what the words of God say is true. I personally believe the reason they cannot stop sinning is because they have not truly been born again of the Holy Spirit, because if they were truly born again of the Holy Spirit they would not be willfully sinning every day as they confess. :)

who are you and what have you done with inspirit?

inspirit does not speak against sin

he preaches CONDEMNATION and revolving SALVATIONS...the s is because it seems he believes no one is saved until he approves...
 
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]This tells us that we don’t have to be fearful when we come into God’s presence. He is not there waiting to punish us for our mistakes and failures. His light is not for exposing our sins and shame, or for condemning us. No, His glorious light is for showing us how perfectly His Son’s blood has washed away our sins! That is why Jesus could tell the woman that He did not condemn her—because He would be condemned for her sin as well as ours at the cross.

Beloved, Jesus’ light unveils the truth that our sins have been completely removed. It reveals how perfect and spotless we are because of Christ’s perfect work at the cross. When you know this, you can go boldly into God’s presence, knowing that you have the light of life that gives you grace and hope![/TD]
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Destined To Reign Devotional for 10/4 Pastor Joseph Prince
John 3:20 NASB
"For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
For every one that doth evil, hateth the light,.... Every man, the series of whose life and conversation is evil, hates Christ and his Gospel, cause they make manifest his evil deeds, convict him of them, and rebuke him for them:
Benson Commentary
John 3:20-21. For every one that doeth evil — That is conscious to himself that he lives in known sin, and is inclined to continue to do so; hateth the light — Which would detect and expose his evil practices, and thereby cause anguish and shame to his guilty mind
Matthew Poole's Commentary
He that makes a trade of sin, and doth evil presumptuously, loving and delighting in it, doth not love the light, nor, if he can avoid it, will come near it; for the light is that which makes things visible, and discovereth them. As it is of the nature of natural light to show things to others as they are; and therefore thieves, and adulterers, and drunkards, care not for the light, but choose the darkness for their deeds of darkness, and come as little abroad in the light as they can when they do them: so it is of the nature of Christ and his gospel to discover men’s errors, both as to the obtaining of justification and eternal salvation, and the errors also of men’s lives; and therefore men and women possessed of errors in their judgments, or delighting in a filthy conversation, hate Christ and his gospel; because that a discovering the right ways of God discovereth the crookedness of their ways, opposite to the truths and ways of God.

Light exposes darkness..... period. The gospel exposes man's sinful condition. It reveals any darkness in man's heart & convicts him of sin. Even after conversion, it continues to do so. The above is a flagrant lie by Joseph Prince (or ghost writer,lol). Prince's doctrine does nothing but hardens the hearts against God & causes christians to rebel from God, leading them to apostasy. It's sugar-coated poison.
 
The truth of the gospel is that when we believe in Christ we have a new heart. The heart is NOT becoming progressively better because of our good works we do or don't do.

Thank God that the gospel of the grace of Christ has given us believers a new heart!

I believe that scripture teaches that we have new hearts now in Christ as a new creation in Him. In the Old Testament David cried out prophetically "Create in me a clean heart O God". Jesus Himself says to "clean up the inside of the cup and the vessel will be clean".

We don't need to search our hearts for wrong things - we need to have our minds renewed to the truth of Christ living in us now. It's the flesh that "speaks" to us as all the "works" in Gal 5 are from the flesh. We are not "in the flesh" as Paul says in Romans 8:9 - but we are "in the Spirit" - our inner man in Christ.

We need as Christians to learn to live from this new heart that was "created" in us because of Christ's finished work for us.

I firmly believe we are confusing the "desires of the flesh which still has the law of sin in it" ( Romans 7:23 ) and wrongly calling it our heart. We have been circumcised with the circumcision of the Heart - called the circumcision of Christ and the body of flesh. Col 2:11. This is also called "being sealed by the Holy Spirit" Eph 1:13

The Holy Spirit "cut away" ( as in physical circumcision ) the body of the flesh from the inner man who is in Christ - the new creation - created in righteousness and holiness. Eph 4:23

Here are the reasons why I believe we Christians have a new heart now in Christ and not a corrupted heart. We need to learn how to live from this new heart which is where Christ is in us as one spirit by the Holy Spirit.

The believers new heart in Christ is created in righteousness and holiness: First it was prophesied in the Old Testament.

Ezekiel 36:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]
"Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone ( old man ) from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. ( new man in Christ )


Romans 2:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but
from God.


By grace we have been given a new heart that is obedient.

Romans 6:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you
became obedient from the heart
to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

God cleaned house and moved in. God will not dwell in unrighteousness. God through the Holy Spirit is in our inner man now.

Ephesians 3:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power
through His Spirit in the inner man,

[SUP]17 [/SUP] so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith
; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

God sealed us and gave us the Holy Spirit in our new hearts.

2 Corinthians 1:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] who also sealed us and gave us
the Spirit in our hearts as
a pledge.

We have the Spirit of God's Son in our hearts now.

Galatians 4:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because you are sons, God has sent forth
the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

God has cleansed our hearts by faith.


Acts 15:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them
giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] and He made no distinction between us and them,
cleansing their hearts by faith
.

We love from our hearts now as it is pure.


1 Timothy 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But the goal of our instruction i
s love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

2 Timothy 2:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who
call on the Lord from a pure heart. (
this is a believer in Christ..hang around them )

1 Peter 3:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]
but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.

There are more but this should work to show that the believer has a new heart in Christ.

We still have the flesh to deal with in our bodies and we are admonished to not to yield to that...but all that is a different subject.
 
the contradiction is actually you pretending to be a prophet

you sell snake oil and false prophecy

knowing the op somewhat, she is not saying what your nasty mind is trying to make her say

you should really pack up your booth and move one...oh wait...probably cannot find anywhere else they would let you park
1. He never said he was a prophet.
2. he doesn't have a nasty mind.
3. he doesn't sell snake oil & false prophecy.

So..... tell lies much? That seems to be what..... 100% of your post.

Ya'know, if you quit lying, you wouldn't have near as much to type.:rolleyes:
 
that's interesting, but I compare YOUR words to the words of Jesus and ALL the prophets

I have found that slander appears to be the only language you comprehend and you dish it out just about every post that you make

there is no humility in your posts...no love...no gentle correction...just CONDEMNATION and that is not of God

I do hate actually...I despise the lies you spread about those in Christ who are my sisters and brothers in the Lord

May God forgive you...I pray you come to your senses before all the CONDEMNATION you so gleefully try to apply to everyone else, comes home to roost...like the curse that does not find a place to rest and returns to the one who sent it

resounding brass and clanging symbols

I don't accept them...I know better...I pray people turn from your false gospel of CONDEMNATION

reading your posts is like reading the obituary section of yesterday's news

and when you run short of responding..because you CANNOT answer to what is true, you resort to mocking
See? this is an excellent example. you wouldn't have written anything at all here.:D
 
that's interesting, but I compare YOUR words to the words of Jesus and ALL the prophets

I have found that slander appears to be the only language you comprehend and you dish it out just about every post that you make

there is no humility in your posts...no love...no gentle correction...just CONDEMNATION and that is not of God

I do hate actually...I despise the lies you spread about those in Christ who are my sisters and brothers in the Lord

May God forgive you...I pray you come to your senses before all the CONDEMNATION you so gleefully try to apply to everyone else, comes home to roost...like the curse that does not find a place to rest and returns to the one who sent it

resounding brass and clanging symbols

I don't accept them...I know better...I pray people turn from your false gospel of CONDEMNATION

reading your posts is like reading the obituary section of yesterday's news

and when you run short of responding..because you CANNOT answer to what is true, you resort to mocking
Oops..... my mistake..... you would have written something after all.;)
 
Proverbs 6:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Who with perversity in his heart continually devises evil, Who spreads strife.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.

Proverbs 10:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all transgressions.

Proverbs 13:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Through insolence comes nothing but strife, But wisdom is with those who receive counsel.

Proverbs 16:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28[/SUP] A perverse man spreads strife, And a slanderer separates intimate friends. Proverbs 17:14 (NASB)

[SUP]14 [/SUP] The beginning of strife is like letting out water, So abandon the quarrel before it breaks out.

Proverbs 18:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] A fool's lips bring strife, And his mouth calls for blows.

Proverbs 20:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Keeping away from strife is an honor for a man, But any fool will quarrel.

Proverbs 22:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Drive out the scoffer, and contention will go out, Even strife and dishonor will cease.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]
Now I beseech you, brethren,mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.












 
We all "sin willfully" in our hearts and minds every day. ​
No we don't.
New International Version
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
English Standard Version
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Holman Christian Standard Bible
For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
de·lib·er·ate·ly
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  • 1.
    consciously and intentionally; on purpose.
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synonyms: intentionally, on purpose, purposely, by design, knowingly, wittingly, consciously,purposefully;

You're either lying or ignorant of the scriptures. Which is it? Answer me please. (one of your group taught me how to ask this way :D)





 
Nonsense...it is funny how people take things out of context. Only the self-righteous say that they never sinned or will not sin in the future. They either have a very low respect for the Law or they are deceived.

It is amazing to watch how malice and slander attempts rule people.


Most sin is willful and if people are not honest enough to acknowledge this truth than that is between them and the Lord.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. ( Romans 14:23 )

Do we operate everyday in complete faith? I sure don't, but I'm growing in it by the help of the Holy Spirit to transform my mind. The blood of Jesus cleanses us as we walk in this life - none of us are walking in all that is ours in Christ yet.

Sin is missing the mark - not being perfect in all things.

If the fact that the willful sin is unbelief in the sacrifice of Jesus as seen in Hebrews 10:26 - if this upsets your religious views - so be it.

Answer this question and it will reveal the truth about "willful sinning".

Have you ever wilfully sinned? Of course you have - so in your religion if the wilful sin is any other sin but unbelief in Christ - there remains no more sacrifice for sins and thus you will die with those sins still on you because Christ's sacrifice for those sins will not be for you
.

Can't you see that this is a bunch of religious nonsense? Why not just actually believe the gospel of the grace of Christ instead of your religion?

The truth still remains to yield ourselves to the spirit because we are not under law but it has nothing to do with the wilful sin of rejecting Christ's sacrifice for sins.

The only willful sin in Hebrews 10:26 is rejecting the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ for the sacrifice for sins in the book of Hebrews.

The Hebrews were warned not to rely on the temple sacrificial system or they would be trampling under the blood of the covenant and insulting the Spirit of grace. Heb. 10:29

 
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yeah

the only thing that is exposed once again, is your own brand of pick and choose Bible verses to support your personal leanings towards

CONSTANT CONDEMNATION of everyone but yourself
He hasn't condemned me ever.
and in that you fail utterly because

THERE IS THEREFORE NO CONDEMNATION TO THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS

maybe you should try that some time....:o
What's that got to do with his posts? When he condemns a christian, I will personally get on his case myself.
it seems you cannot stand the very thought of the grace of God because when people understand that, people like YOU go out of business
You guys need to talk about real grace before you can say that.

BTW, why is it you never know what you're talking about? Always slandering & mocking somebody, but using little to no scripture.
 
Yet another attempt to come in with this sinless perfection in the flesh garbage and defile a thread about the beauty of our Lord's love and grace for us.

I don't see sinless perfection. What I see is constant lying, blaming, & flagrant use of single scriptures.
 
I'm not hyper anything...my church background is BRETHERN...VERY conservative

you have one cry and it is falling flat

I would suggest that you are willfully sinning in your desperate attempt to prove what no one said and no one believes

the only thing straw here, are your prideful works and self righteousness while trying to condemn all others
To not be a hypergracer you sure take up for them like one.
 
Following the rabbit trail here! Just looking at Hebrews 10:26 in context.

"26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:26-31 ESV

I just read through Hebrews, and I am in a Bible study with pastors and we are doing Hebrews. I confess, I did not see the latter half of verse 29. It appears to be saying that a person could possibly be sancitified, and yet outraged, not just the "Spirit" but the "Spirit of grace."

Does that mean losing their salvation? I do hope not! On the other hand, it seems impossible that we can really know Christ, the Light of the World, and "profane (the) [Christ's] blood of the [new] covenant!" Yet, the verse which sprang to my mind, as I read this thread, was verse 32.

"
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:31

Please help me out with this passage.

As a general comment of both encouragement and rebuke - God has called us to different ministries. LadyLynn has a ministry showing the love and mercy of God. ISIT and Stephen have a ministry of "prophecy" in the sense of warning or sounding the alarm. Both are necessary, especially in this apostate day and age.

Different people respond to different messages! But both are needed, and at the same time! God is not the author of confusion - so if he says he is love and he is justice, you better believe he is!

I do not think one can be saved without knowing both God's love and God's wrath over sin. One moves us towards God, and the other away from sin. You know, repentance!

For the believer, we do need to remember the importance of obeying God's commands, which are written on our hearts. But we also need to cling to the fact that it was Jesus' love for us, that nailed him to the cross, so that we might come to know him as Lord and Saviour.
 
As far as the OP, about Christ being the light of the world - AMEN! But what does that mean to us as believers? Again, we need to remember the character of God. He is both love and Justice. He is gentle and strong. He comes to transform us, but part of that is reminding us to obey him, never forgetting what he has saved us from! Our sins.

I found this interesting part of Ephesians, the same book that has Eph. 2:8-10 in it. You know "by grace we are saved!"

"Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not become partners with them; 8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true),10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. 13 But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, 14 for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,

“Awake, O sleeper,
and arise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”




First, Paul opens with a joyful rejoicing and encourages us with how Christ loved us, we are beloved children and that we do need to imitate Christ. And that is not a trial or a burden! Verses 1 & 2

Second, Paul gives instructions on how to walk in the light, even as Christ is the light of the world. Are these words of encouragement? No, they are strong words of warning. They are words of correction and instruction, certainly rebuke. Paul does not mince any words:

".... Has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." Vs. 5c.

Third, Paul comes back to the topic at hand - instructions as to how to please God. And that means walking as children of the light, talking no part in unfruitful words of darkness but exposing them!

We do this by being discerning, and exposing the darkness to the light! Vases 10, 11. Why exposing it? Because as Christians, we expose darkness because the light makes it visible!

So why do people keep pulling verses out of context? We need both love (we are in the light) and we need to warn even Christians concerning unrighteousness.

So you are all right! But you are all missing the essence of what Christ said. By walking in the light, we expose the darkness. Paul was addressing Christians, and in verse 4 he commands "Let there be no......."

Please remember that for every member and Christian reading these posts, there are those shadow "guests" showing at the bottom of the thread. Right now, I seem to be the only member on-line. But three guests! That means 75% more guests than members. Are these members saved? Are they looking to be saved? Are they atheists looking for ammunition against Christians?

I don't know, but God does. Perhaps if I was being wooed by the Holy Spirit, I would need to be convicted of sin. Certain people provide that message. Praise God for them!

Others remind us of the mercy and grace of God! Praise God for them!

What those guests don't need to see is the continuous bickering, slandering and calling out the "other" side, which is not the "other" side, but two sides of the same coin! Or in fact, the character of God - God being both love and Justice.

I just pray that people will start:

1. Posting verses in context. I think half the problems in this forum come from posting individual verses.
2. Not slandering others because you don't agree with them. But what there is to not agree with, I am not certain. The passage above, is proof that we do need to be reminded of both God's love and his wrath against sin. We do need to be reminded of God's mercy and grace, and his rebuke for sin. And if God chooses to have us emphasize one more than the other at certain times in our lives, do not forget either from where we came, nor where we are going, through Christ Jesus!
 
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In the letter written to Hebrews by James this Scripture is talking about "sacrificing" or "being under the law".

He says no sacrifice is left because Jesus is the last and only sacrifice in this new period of grace.

Sinning is not believing in the One God sent for their remission of sins. If we don't believe in Him for them, we are "sinning".

And there is no sacrifice left because they are no longer being accepted. We see this in its full finality when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. No more sacrifices available without the temple standing. In this way the Jews no longer have an excuse for not accepting Jesus because right now there are no temple sacrifices.

Knowledge of the "Truth" is Jesus.

We see sin is unbelief in Jesus here:

John 16:8And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;

Special note: Jesus says here the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, not the believers, because "they" do not believe in me.

Later talking about righteousness, He says because "I" go to the Father.

Bless you,

C.

No we don't.
New International Version
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
English Standard Version
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Holman Christian Standard Bible
For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
de·lib·er·ate·ly
dəˈlib(ə)rətlē/
adverb
[COLOR=#878787 !important][/COLOR]

  • 1.
    consciously and intentionally; on purpose.
    [COLOR=#878787 !important]"the fire was started deliberately"[/COLOR]
synonyms: intentionally, on purpose, purposely, by design, knowingly, wittingly, consciously,purposefully;

You're either lying or ignorant of the scriptures. Which is it? Answer me please. (one of your group taught me how to ask this way :D)





 
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Hi Angela! I love what you wrote and I completely agree. We do need both sides of the coin. Correction yes and also encouragement of who we are in Christ!

Also one thing to point out Paul is addressing their identity, behavior, and later back to identity again! The word of correction is to be who they really are in Christ. "Walk as children of light".

"8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light"

We don't want to forget correction because we are to be mature in Christ.
And we don't want to forget identity because the work is done by His Spirit.

Philippians 2:12Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,

This appears to point to the believer... but... we see it is actually God at work in us...

13for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

14
Do all things without grumbling or disputing, 15that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run in vain or labor in vain.

Paul appeals to their love for him. Don't disappoint me my children. Shine as you are in the light, be the light in the world, hold fast to Him.

Here's how I understand it:

In the Spirit it's done. We are one with Him. And He one with us. (Identity)
In the Soul we are being renewed. Discovering who we are in Him and who He is in us. (Behavior)

We are growing and maturing into who we already are in Him.


As far as the OP, about Christ being the light of the world - AMEN! But what does that mean to us as believers? Again, we need to remember the character of God. He is both love and Justice. He is gentle and strong. He comes to transform us, but part of that is reminding us to obey him, never forgetting what he has saved us from! Our sins.

I found this interesting part of Ephesians, the same book that has Eph. 2:8-10 in it. You know "by grace we are saved!"

"Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not become partners with them; 8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true),10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. 13 But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, 14 for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,

“Awake, O sleeper,
and arise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”




First, Paul opens with a joyful rejoicing and encourages us with how Christ loved us, we are beloved children and that we do need to imitate Christ. And that is not a trial or a burden! Verses 1 & 2

Second, Paul gives instructions on how to walk in the light, even as Christ is the light of the world. Are these words of encouragement? No, they are strong words of warning. They are words of correction and instruction, certainly rebuke. Paul does not mince any words:

".... Has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." Vs. 5c.

Third, Paul comes back to the topic at hand - instructions as to how to please God. And that means walking as children of the light, talking no part in unfruitful words of darkness but exposing them!

We do this by being discerning, and exposing the darkness to the light! Vases 10, 11. Why exposing it? Because as Christians, we expose darkness because the light makes it visible!

So why do people keep pulling verses out of context? We need both love (we are in the light) and we need to warn even Christians concerning unrighteousness.

So you are all right! But you are all missing the essence of what Christ said. By walking in the light, we expose the darkness. Paul was addressing Christians, and in verse 4 he commands "Let there be no......."

Please remember that for every member and Christian reading these posts, there are those shadow "guests" showing at the bottom of the thread. Right now, I seem to be the only member on-line. But three guests! That means 75% more guests than members. Are these members saved? Are they looking to be saved? Are they atheists looking for ammunition against Christians?

I don't know, but God does. Perhaps if I was being wooed by the Holy Spirit, I would need to be convicted of sin. Certain people provide that message. Praise God for them!

Others remind us of the mercy and grace of God! Praise God for them!

What those guests don't need to see is the continuous bickering, slandering and calling out the "other" side, which is not the "other" side, but two sides of the same coin! Or in fact, the character of God - God being both love and Justice.

I just pray that people will start:

1. Posting verses in context. I think half the problems in this forum come from posting individual verses.
2. Not slandering others because you don't agree with them. But what there is to not agree with, I am not certain. The passage above, is proof that we do need to be reminded of both God's love and his wrath against sin. We do need to be reminded of God's mercy and grace, and his rebuke for sin. And if God chooses to have us emphasize one more than the other at certain times in our lives, do not forget either from where we came, nor where we are going, through Christ Jesus!