What is the strong delusion that would cause people to believe a lie?

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Yahweh_is_gracious

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Whatever the strong delusion is, it's a good bet that most people will fall for it hook, line, and sinker. It ought to make for some interesting times.
 
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pottersclay

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Imo the strong delusion is that Christ has not come in the flesh.
It makes way for the anti Christ to set up his rule in the temple. Proclaiming he is God.
 

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It's really very simply in the text:

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th 2:9*-‬12 NKJV

They are given the strong dillusion simply because they didn't receive the love of the truth. Not bc they didn't know it. He finish talking about the fact that they loved the pleasure of their wicked deeds.


http://bible.com/114/2th.2.9-12.NKJV

All throughout scripture from Pharoah forward when you harden your heart towards God, at some point He hardens you into your own will, to your own condemnation. DON'T FOOL WITH THAT LINE. Our God is a consuming fire.

This verse should solve all the grace without repentance debates here on CC.
 
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popeye

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The delusion where if possible the very elect are deceived,is a dimension where truth does not matter anymore.

Most people operate in that exact realm.

There is a man centered gospel.

There is a Jesus centered gospel.

You can look at the OT,and see a pattern. A pattern of whoredoms.
You could get rich making that kind of bets.

So,to deceive,the enemy uses temptation and flattery for itchy ears. Thus you have many teachers,and few bereans.

Most of what I see here on this forum,is people so planted in their own doctrines,even the bible,when IT ITSELF challenges their doctrine,the bible verses are so ingrained alongside the doctrinal experts that the verses even become evil.

Take WOF for example. If you believe the bible,you believe the WOF verses.(they are not "WOF" verses,just erroneously ascribed as such).

That is major,major deception. And as deception goes,the takers of the pill are oblivious.
 
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That is my favouite portion of scripture it says way the deceived will be deceived.. Because they have rejected the Love of the truth and i believe that is the Gospel message that we are saved 100% by grace received as a loving gift from God.. The scripture in question also says that God will send those who are to be deceived strong delusion so that they will believe the Lie.. I believe the lie will be that people will believe that the Wicked One (anti-christ) is the returned Messiah Jesus or for the Jews their long awaited Messiah.. Because this Wicked one will be able to perform lying signs and wonders to make people think that he must be off God or from God.. In the end the Bible says he will be worshiped by the deceived because they will believe he is God..

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
This very scripture invalidates your statement. Paul is warning the church NOT to allow yourselves to be deceived, which means they could be. The "apostasy" IS deceived christians, because you can't draw a sinner away to where he already is. "Apostasy" means a defection from the faith. A "walk out" on Christ. Only the saved can do that.
V10 states these no longer loved the truth. 11 says God will send them deception, so that they will apostatize, never to return. They will become reprobates & blind. Just check for the most popular doctrines & you will find the delusion.

It's not because God isn't able to keep them..... it's because they rebelled & left Him.
 
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But false doctrine isn't new or even relatively new. It's been around for yonks.

Yes..... but the AMOUNT of it has increased. Besides., God sending them deception allows them to be caught in the snare of false doctrine. After reading my other post, I realized I didn't clarify that.:)
 
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2 Thes 2:9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Believers are not perishing. Unbelievers are perishing and they refuse to love the truth and be saved.

What is this strong delusion? That they don't need God to be saved.
Whoa, there..... If God wanted "sinners" to be deluded, all He would have to do is not allow the Holy Spirit to draw them. No deception needed.

The one that is needing this deception are christians such as the lukewarm ones in Revelation. Such today are those that are following televangelists by the millions..... Those pastors on the front rows of the TBN show. Those that allowed Creflo Dollar to buy the most powerful private jet in US history. Those that drink "purpose driven" poison. Those that bark like dogs & roll on the floor. Those that are considering rejoining the RCC. And last, & not least those that are deceived by hypergrace. There are others, but there's too many to recall.
 
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Tintin

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Yes..... but the AMOUNT of it has increased. Besides., God sending them deception allows them to be caught in the snare of false doctrine. After reading my other post, I realized I didn't clarify that.:)
I see what you're saying. And cultural Marxism and evolution are all just different methods of promoting mankind as its own saviour. Which is obviously contrary to God's truth. So it's more part and parcel of false doctrine than saying evolution is the strong delusion talked about in latter times.
 

JaumeJ

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The strong delusion is here by way of a spirit. Conderning believing a lie, this term is used as a reference to any lie.

I have witnessed thsi to be true in denominations, in politics and at times, in education. Millions of people have died because of lies believed. This occurred in almost all wars.

The bottom line of any reason for a war has always been perfectly described in the Word. "What causes wars among ou? You covet but you cannot obtain?"

So it is with so many who say they believe yet they do not hear nor follow Jesus Christ.
 

Adstar

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This very scripture invalidates your statement. Paul is warning the church NOT to allow yourselves to be deceived, which means they could be. The "apostasy" IS deceived christians, because you can't draw a sinner away to where he already is. "Apostasy" means a defection from the faith. A "walk out" on Christ. Only the saved can do that.
V10 states these no longer loved the truth. 11 says God will send them deception, so that they will apostatize, never to return. They will become reprobates & blind. Just check for the most popular doctrines & you will find the delusion.

It's not because God isn't able to keep them..... it's because they rebelled & left Him.
Nope.. The Elect of God cannot be deceived.. Because we accept the Love of the truth that saves us.. The scriptures say "If it where possible"" which means it is impossible.. A Holy Spirit indwelled Christian will not be deceived..

I believe those who will be deceived will think they are doing God service.. They will think they are serving Jesus.. They will not be serving Jesus but ""another Jesus""

2 Corinthians 11:KJV
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
 

lv2ski

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It's really very simple and in the body of the particular text.

They had the truth, they 5 didn't love it, which means live by it. They manifested that by loving their sin and living in their unrighteousness, as that passage concludes.

Many think they're the elect, but those who are will manifest God's love for others and repentance of their sin. If you don't repent and love the brethren, you're not part of the elect, it doesn't matter what you think. 1 John 3.

Those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh and it's passions. Gal 5.

If you go 5 on in your sinful lifestyle without repentance, then Hebrews 10:26 is your end.

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:26*-‬29 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/heb.10.26-29.NKJV
 

JaumeJ

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Yes, those who loved evil.........pretty simple. They had chosen evil. This has a lot to do with judgment, how people will be judged by their own words......our words proceed from the heart making us seekers of righteousness or seekers of evil.

Trust Jesus, follow Him.
 
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GaryA

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2 Thessalonians 2:

[SUP]1[/SUP] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [SUP]2[/SUP] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [SUP]3[/SUP] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [SUP]4[/SUP] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [SUP]5[/SUP] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? [SUP]6[/SUP] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. [SUP]7[/SUP] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. [SUP]8[/SUP] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [SUP]9[/SUP] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, [SUP]10[/SUP] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]11[/SUP] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12[/SUP] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



Don't confuse the 'deception' of verse 3 with the 'delusion' of verse 11; they are two different things. The 'deception' of verse 3 is indeed referring to Christians being deceived ( hence, the admonishment "Let no man deceive you by any means" ); however, the 'delusion' of verse 11 is not referring to Christians. Instead, it is referring to ( I believe ) the New-Age Occult Satanic wicked - who have been quietly lurking in the shadows throughout human history, at least as far back as Nimrod. In the present day, they are more generally known by the name 'illuminati'.

The words 'them' and 'they' in verse 11 are the same as 'them' and 'they' in verse 10. And, we know they are not Christians because of the last phrase in verse 10 - i.e. - they were never saved.

Those who God sends strong delusion in verse 11 are not those who are of the falling away in verse 3. Rather, they are the wicked of the world who "had pleasure in unrighteousness" ( verse 12 ).

The 'lie' we are warned about in verse 3 is not the 'lie' referred to in verse 11.


The question as to what is the lie that is warned about in 2 Thessalonians 2 has come up a lot lately.

Through prayer and meditating on this, we discovered that the answer is located right in that same chapter.
Yes -- it is right there in the passage...


What does it say not to be misled about?
The Day of the Lord [ not ] coming before the falling away and the man of sin being revealed.
 

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This man's vision of the end time of trouble speaks for itself, the temptation to love this present world.

The following is an end-time vision given to an established, seasoned minister of the gospel, Dr. Mark Barclay, and told in his own words. My heart was quickened when I read it and I thought: "This vision needs to be circulated to the body of Christ worldwide for we are seeing the increasing effects of it being unfolded in this hour, although it was given more than 25 years ago."
If you are skeptical of these things I would encourage you to listen to your heart as you read it and allow the Holy Spirit to bear witness with you.
"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. ... But the anointing which you have received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. For as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in Him"(1 John 2:20, 27)
Here then is the vision told in the minister's own words:
"In 1987 I was a speaker at a camp meeting in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I spoke during the Thursday evening service. Dr. Kenneth E. Hagin spoke during the Friday evening service. I remember that I had just flown in from meetings in Paris, France. I mentioned to my wife how much I would like to stay and hear Dr. Hagin speak. She agreed.
As Dr. Hagin entered the pulpit, he began to pray in tongues. When he started, I started. A moment later, I was caught up in a vision (I was told later that it was probably more like a trance). As I went into this vision, I remember how Dr. Hagin's voice was getting quieter and quieter, until I could hear him no more. It was so quiet all around me I felt like I could hear my own heartbeat.
All of a sudden I felt evil, as if it were surrounding me. Anger rose up in me, and fear tried to get a grip on me. Suddenly, something caught my attention out of my left eye. I turned hard to the left to see what it was. I saw the circumference of the earth, from one edge to the other, and this horrible black, dark cloud was rising up over the horizon. Somehow I knew it would eventually fill the entire earth.
An alarm went off in me, screaming to me to run away from it as fast as I could. I felt like I should scream at it, to stop it in its tracks by using the name of Jesus. I began to rebuke it and started to say, "In the name of Jesus ... " I didn't quite get it out, and the Lord said, "That will do you no good."
"What?" I said.
The Lord said, "Son, you cannot use My name to stop what I prophesied. I am not causing this dark cloud, but I did prophesy it would happen in the last days."
I remember in the vision that I asked the Lord "What is this? What is this evil, tempestuous, dark cloud?"
The Lord said, "This is what I showed My prophet, Isaiah (Isa. 60:1-2). This is every evil thing you can name. It is every demon, it is every disease, it is sickness and bacterial attacks that haven't even been discovered yet. It will cause humans to do things to humans that aren't even human. It is filled with insanity, and many people will lose their mind and their faculties. It is murder, terror, rape, abuse, terrorism, torture and much worse. It is filled with deceptions, heresies, perversions and filth."
Some things the Lord showed me I have not had permission to speak.
I also saw people—many, many people. Some were running into the dark cloud, and some were being sucked into it. It reminded me of this very powerful Shop-vac I have. It will not only suck up the dirt but also my tools, if I don't pay attention.
I saw may people screaming with terror and actually being dragged into this cloud. Though they were refusing it and resisting it with all their strength, they still did not possess the power to stop it.
I was so disturbed when I saw a cross on someone's pocket or jewelry. I remember saying to the Lord, "Who are those people being drawn into this filth and terror, wearing the Christian symbol of the cross? Who are these people, not even resisting? And who are these people, resisting with all their might but it does them no good? They just keep disappearing into this horrible, evil cloud of gross darkness."
The Lord answered me and said, "Oh, these are those who do not have clean hands and a pure heart. They have been warned but ignored the warnings. Some even wanted this filth as their lifestyle."
I asked, "Well, who are these wearing the cross?"


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"Oh," the Lord said, "These are the people who claim Me as Savior. Many of them have desired this filth and even fought for it. They make excuses but are not excused. The ones who are resisting thought My prophets were exaggerating and from the old school, and they denied the warnings. Now that this evil has come, they possess little to no power, and certainly not enough to resist and overcome this horrible onslaught of enemy power. Only those with clean hands and a pure heart will be able to totally resist this. It will cover the earth."
There was much more to this, but I began to come out of the vision and once again heard Brother Hagin speaking in tongues from the pulpit.
I asked my wife what had happened, and she said, "Nothing, he hasn't done anything but pray in the spirit."
[HR][/HR]I began to realize that nobody seemed to see this vision or get caught up into this trance but me. I held my wife's hand a little tighter and began to pray fervently in the spirit. As I did, I got caught up in the spirit again.
Just like before, Brother Hagin's voice got quieter and quieter until it was gone. I found myself alone again. It was so quiet I could hear my own heartbeat. Suddenly, a piercing light hit the corner of my right eye. It was so bright that I instantly shrouded my head with my hands and arms. It reminded me of the intense light that my optometrist uses to examine the back of my eyes. Actually, it was much brighter than that.
Everything within me said, "Turn and look into it. Turn now, and run into it." Yet there was this hesitation because it was so bright it seemed to shine through me. Finally I gave in to it and looked directly at it. With both eyes I saw the depth of this bright cloud. Just like the dark cloud I had seen before, it was coming up over the horizon of the earth. I could tell that it was going to cover the planet. I just knew that I knew that nothing could stop it.
I remembered asking the Lord, "What is this? What is this massive, earth-consuming, bright cloud?"
The Lord answered me and said, "Oh, this is My glory. This is the glory cloud that I showed My prophet Isaiah (Isa. 61:1-2). This is what I promised, that My glory will fill the whole earth."
"Well," I asked, "what is inside the cloud?"
"It is filled with the greatest miracles humans have ever seen. It is filled with healing for every disease, and a cure for every sickness. It is power to overcome sin and filth—to receive the truth and reject error, heresy and doctrines of demons. It is a full manifestation of My Spirit. It is the full anointing of Jesus Christ and more, much more."
He showed me other things that I have no permission to speak at this time.
[HR][/HR]I saw people in this vision, just like before with the cloud of darkness. Many, many people were running into it and almost frolicking in it. It was like my first response—too bright to behold, and then I wanted to run into it. There were those who seemed to want to pull away from this glory cloud.
"Lord, who will enter into this great glory of God and enjoy this awesome power?" I asked.
"Those who have a pure heart and clean hands," the Lord answered. "They are the ones who will escape the horrible vacuum of the evil, dark cloud and be consumed with My glory. I will require you to tell these things to My people at an appointed time."
Now is that time! As I travel the world over, I see both of these manifestations happening. In fact, I see them beginning to intensify. Sometimes I say that both God and Satan are having a revival among men. We will now see more and more people running to each cloud, causing a great gulf or divide. Could this be the separation of sheep and goats, or the separation of wheat and tares?
I am not a conspiracy-theory person. I am not a fear-based preacher. I am not a prophet of doom. So what I am about to say is none of these. But, I am actually witnessing the spirits of the Antichrist, prepping the people of the earth (including many church goers) for the arrival of the Antichrist himself. I see demons (spirits of the Antichrist) going throughout all the earth. They are slowly re-programming the minds of men (doctrines of demons) to systematically disassemble the work of Christ and disengage the army of God.
You can avoid this, if you choose. If you choose not to, you will suffer the consequences. Please don't do that!" —Dr. Mark Barclay (marktbarclay.com)
 
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This topic has been on the mind and heart of my wife and I lately. It is because we have been prompted to pray about this more and more. Not just for ourselves, but others.

It is simply our desire to not be deceived and we know that only God can prevent this. It is our desire that no one would fall prey to any deception and be caught off guard when it comes to God's plan for his people.

The question as to what is the lie that is warned about in 2 Thessalonians 2 has come up a lot lately.

Through prayer and meditating on this, we discovered that the answer is located right in that same chapter.

I have heard a lot of theories about what the lie is about. I just wanted to present this for others to study and discuss.

I have opened this topic as a place to discuss 2 Thessalonians 2. What is written there? What does it say not to be misled about?

Please try to refrain from debate about what you believe and stick to what is written in those scriptures. I hope that this will come to others as a blessing that might give understanding on this topic.

Grace and peace be to all of you through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin steps in to the Jews temple,and claims to be their God and Messiah.

God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow a kingdom that acknowledges no God,and exalts people,spiritual evolution through the power of nature.

For the first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,and the world will operate by a unified religious system,and the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section.

The last three and one half years the man of sin will rule,and will persecute all people that hold the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement that has an interpretation of the Bible based on spiritual evolution through nature,that does not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior,but as a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an ascended master,and avatar.

They will forbid to marry for population reduction,and command to abstain from meats for they are nature wordshippers.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement will unify the religions based on spiritual evolution,with an interpretation of Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,and it will be a hate crime to try to convert someone to their religion,punishable in the international criminal court system,for all are vaild for spiritual evolution,because they all have a core truth compatible with each other,which many people believe this now,many paths that lead to God.

The man of sin will be in to the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,and will not honor the God of his fathers,and regards no god,but honors the God of forces,the power of nature as his higher power,and will support the new age movement that is about spiritual evolution through nature,and the unified religious system will prepare the people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom after the three and one half years it is operational.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and the Gentile nations will come together and say,Peace and safety,and the 7 years period will begin.The Jews will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians.The world will operate by the unified religious system,and the ten horn kingdom.

The first three and one half years will start separating the people that love God,from the people that do not love God.

The unified religious system will be operational,and will be the time they will not endure the truth of the Bible,but want to hear it according to their own lusts,spiritual evolution through the power of nature,and it will be a hate crime to try to convert someone to their religion,and Christianity will rapidly decline in impacting the world with the truth.

This is the falling away first.

The 6 trumpets are 6 disasters,that happen on earth that the world knows about,but after each trumpet they do not turn to God,and after the 6th trumpet,God said the world will still not repent of their evil ways,and turn to Him,so God allows the man of sin to rule over them.

An example is WW1,they did not turn to God,but started League of Nations,WW2,they did not turn to God,but started United Nations,and human efforts to try to bring peace on earth.That pattern will continue until God allows the man of sin to rule over them.

During the first three and one half years during the unified religious system it will be a hate crime to try to convert someone to your religion punishable in the international criminal court system.

The religion of Islam will deal harshly with this,and although all the Gentile governments come together,the people in the Arab nations will rebel saying it is an insult to Allah,and they cannot stifle them by telling them they cannot spread their religion,and will not accept the new age movement's interpretation of their religion in the unifed religious system.

The religion of Islam and the world will clash,the 6th trumpet,and the man of sin will pluck up 3 horns by the roots,which the Arab nations will be devastated with nuclear weapons,and that war will be so terrible that the world lost hope,and was in despair,but they do not turn to God,but turn to the man of sin for the solution,and God allows the man of sin to rule over them.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

When God allows the man of sin to rule over the world,war breaks out in heaven,and the fallen angels are cast to earth,which becomes their holding cell,and Satan is no longer the prince of the air.

Satan possesses the man of sin,and uses him to pour out his wrath upon the earth,by spiritual deception,and physical persecution,and destruction.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

For the first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,but after the 6th trumpet,and they do not turn to God,He gives the world the man of sin to rule over them,and the falling away is complete.

The fallen angels are cast to earth,and Satan appears as the beast,and the devils deceive all people that do not love the truth,a strong delusion they cannot snap out of,and they will follow the beast kingdom.

The beast will step in to the Jews temple,and claim to be God and their Messiah,and address the world that he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and the false prophet does miracles in the sight of people to convince them the beast shared this power with him,and will share this power with those that follow him.

When the world takes the mark of the beast,then repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them,the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Now the saints can be gathered unto Christ,but God allows the beast to persecute the saints for three and one half years,and after that time is up,those that remain will be gathered unto Christ.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

After the three and one half years those that remain shall be gathered unto Christ,and then the wrath of God poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon when the beast and the world attack Jerusalem,the Jews,for God turned the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and God comes back with all His saints,and saves Israel,and defeats the world,so all Israel shall be saved,and physical Israel will be spiritual,and the kingdom restored to them in the millennial reign of Christ.

With United Nations,trying to have peace on earth,and many people proclaiming peace for the world,people saying many paths lead to God,new age movement,Israel becoming a nation again in 1948,the Palestinians having a conflict with them,advanced travel,and advanced technology,the world knows about each other,it is not that far off that soon the 7 years period will begin.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

Alice Baily,straight from the horses mouth,the biggest prophet of the new age movement,and their belief of Lucifer,who has a publishing company to promote her books,and they started a web site to promote her books.

The decent and sacrifice of Lucifer,https://www.lucistrust.org/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/descent_and_sacrifice

Here is a brief summary of their belief of Lucifer.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

This is the viewpoint of the Bible concerning Lucifer that the fall was his demise,but Alice Bailey,and many people in the new age movement do not see it that way,and now they want to set up a kingdom for him,for they believe he is the helper of this world,and will further advance mankind by spiritual evolution,when he appears as the New Age Christ.
 

Enow

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Whatever the strong delusion is, it's a good bet that most people will fall for it hook, line, and sinker. It ought to make for some interesting times.
Paul exposed the lie by reminding believers the tradition taught of us as to when we had received the Holy Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

So the lie is believing you can receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation or "again" with a sign of tongues which happens to never comes with interpretation or after other sensational signs in the flesh.

It is bad enough that tongue speakers speak of tongues to be used as a prayer language and read that kind of tongue into the scripture when that is not written in that way at all as it is being taken out of context....but they do not stop there with how one receives the Holy Spirit after a sign of tongues apart from salvation. No. You can receive the Holy Spirit again and again after other sensational signs in the flesh like being "slain in the Spirit" or being "drunk in the Spirit" or being in the "holy laughter" movement among other movements of the "Spirit" where the focus is on what they believe is the Holy Spirit coming and going in the worship place, bringing signs and lying wonders for them to receive.

So when you give an inch to tongue speakers in how to get that tongue without interpretation, but babbling nonsense by receiving the Holy Spirit again after salvation..... then no one can say all those others signs is not of the Holy Spirit because they had asked for the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them again and again and again in those movements of the "Spirit" where they fall backwards and into confusion which God is not the author of and neither that tongue which comes with no interpretation since tongues were never to serve as a sign towards the believers for anything about receiving the Holy Spirit "again" when they already had Him as promised by faith in Jesus Christ at their salvation. 1 Corinthians 14:20-22

So remember the tradition as to when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel so that we can recognize the lie or what it is because we cannot receive the Holy Spirit again for that would be doing so in hypocrisy when He is already within us as promised in according to our faith in Jesus Christ.

Paul warned against receiving Jesus or another spirit which you had received and thus preaching another gospel in 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 as the examination of our faith is that Jesus Christ is in us as stated plainly in 2 Corinthians 13:5.

So if any one hears Him, that hears His voice, that hears His words, do not follow after them that follow a stranger's voice.

Anyone that had gone astray and now you hear, return to your first love, the Lord Jesus Christ aka the Bridegroom, leaning on Him always to shun vain & profane babbling to pray normally, and chase no more after seducing spirits and doctrines of devils for a sign. 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & 2 Timothy 2:15-16,24-26
 

Zen

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Many people here are delusional too, not just gentiles.

For example, they believe both that the Word of God is true, but they don't believe it when they don't agree with it or when it challenges them to change.

Delusion includes things like believing in the world view of lies given by NASA and scientists, believing that stars are big balls of gas which are far apart from each other and which cause planets to orbit them.

Delusion includes believing that God isn't going to kill people who blatantly go against Him and persecute His children, simply because they confessed that they believe in Lord Jesus.

Delusion is also about believing that God undid the blessing of the 7th day because it was "just a shadow".

You also see delusional sodomites in here promoting LGBT lifestyle within the church.

The reference to strong delusion is about worship of the anti-Christ / mark of the beast.
 

Tommy379

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Many people here are delusional too, not just gentiles.

For example, they believe both that the Word of God is true, but they don't believe it when they don't agree with it or when it challenges them to change.

Delusion includes things like believing in the world view of lies given by NASA and scientists, believing that stars are big balls of gas which are far apart from each other and which cause planets to orbit them.

Delusion includes believing that God isn't going to kill people who blatantly go against Him and persecute His children, simply because they confessed that they believe in Lord Jesus.

Delusion is also about believing that God undid the blessing of the 7th day because it was "just a shadow".

You also see delusional sodomites in here promoting LGBT lifestyle within the church.

The reference to strong delusion is about worship of the anti-Christ / mark of the beast.
Our planet orbits a star. Seen it with my own eyes. True story.
 

lv2ski

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It's very simple.... God gives them the strong delusion, 'that' ( on order that, so that, for the purpose of) they might believe the lie. Why? Because they did not receive the "love of the truth," also later in the passage it states that they loved the pleasures of unrighteousness and did not believe the truth. Which is exactly what Jesus said in John chapter 3:20:
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19 NKJV

Summary: if you know the truth and stay in your sin, you will be left behind! You will not be able to repent after the rapture having known the truth and choosing to stay in your sins. 1 Corinthians6, Ephesians 5, Galatians 5 and revelation 20. Jesus said, except he repent, you will all likewise perish.

Very simple, don't need the Greek, Hebrew, pig Latin or any other Higher form of verbage on this one.