could it be bc they see something that you do not yet see?
Or could it be I see something that they do not see?
could it be bc they see something that you do not yet see?
Or could it be I see something that they do not see?![]()
The problem is that you are so deep rooted in religion that you cannot see anything else! Grace is completely hid from the eyes of anyone who is still under the law (Moses's veil)! until you denounce the law, you will always be "amazed" by what Grace teaches; bc Grace it almost to good to be true, yet it is true.
Matthew 23:13 --- What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.
I know for a fact Jesus did not fail. But what is amazing to me is all the people who support and defend the words of this Joseph Prince in the OP over and above the words of Jesus Christ concerning truly being set free from sin. Very telling indeed. heavenly_bound;2825574 said:could it be bc they see something that you do not yet see? The problem is that you are so deep rooted in religion that you cannot see anything else! Grace is completely hid from the eyes of anyone who is still under the law (Moses's veil)! until you denounce the law, you will always be "amazed" by what Grace teaches; bc Grace it almost to good to be true, yet it is true
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Matthew 23:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Luke 12:1
In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
Amen...religion will always miss grace of the gospel of Christ for their own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness humanistic mindset.
False hyper grace teacher Joseph Prince says this....
But Jesus said this....John 8:36 "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
Did Jesus fail as Joseph Prince says, or perhaps Joseph Prince does not truly know and believe in the power of God to actually set one free from sin and sinful thoughts?
Romans 6 “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound
Your motive of posting this thread is contradicting to what you say you believe and practice. If you truly preach the gospel then preach it. You seem like you spend so much time in here debunking someone else's message that you end up wasting too much of your precious time actually preaching the gospel yourself. Why not preach what you know and not spend too much time criticizing someone else's preaching. Do some actual work of your own brother.
I see you are fairly new to the forum, and so you do not know of all the other threads I've posted in the past to edify the body of Christ. I just recently started to expose the many false teachings of Joseph Prince and "hyper grace" doctrine because of all the copy paste doctrines and videos that are being spammed on these particular forums for about a year now from his many followers.
I have been preaching the gospel since 2007 since receiving the anointing of the Holy Spirit and have made many threads/studies on many different sites not just this one. But you will not see me copy paste my studies from other men's material, because I do not follow the doctrines of men, nor did I receive my understanding in the words of God from any man.
But since this flood of false doctrine from Joseph Prince started about a year ago on this site I had to go online and search and see what this false teacher was actually teaching and saying so to know what I was up against. And then by quoting his words from other online sources I could then refute his false doctrine by the words of God, like I did in this thread. So that's about the only time you will see me posting links to other sites because it is necessary to know what these false teachers are actually preaching and quote them in order to refute their false doctrine by the words of God.
Jesus said in Matthew 24:5 "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. So it's also a good work to warn the flock of Christ when you see them being led astray by these many deceivers.![]()
The above is speaking about willfully living according to the sinful nature. For Scripture states the following for those who are in Christ:
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us. "
We are covered sinners who are wrestling to overcome the sinful nature. The scripture that you quoted above is saying that though we are under grace we cannot use that as a license to continue *willfully* living according to the sinful nature. But as far as sin goes, we still sin but not willfully or at least we shouldn't be. Regarding this, Paul goes on to say:
"I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it." [/COLOR][/FONT]
But if you really actually believe that what you are doing is God's calling for you then do it in a manner that will allow people to come to you and listen to the true gospel. It's a little sad but let me tell you that more often than not, you yourself can be blamed why so many people flock to "hyper grace" doctrines and not on the gospel that you intend to preach.
Still, bless you and may the peace of God be with you always.
People post videos and articles to show that what is being posted is in fact a mis-representing of what is really being said as has been shown in this thread by many.
It is "twisting" of what is really being said to make it "appear" something else entirely is being said.
When we see the context a quote is being given in - both before and after the quote - then we see the real truth - not the "twisting" of those that love to slander the gospel of Christ and others in the body of Christ.
It is a distortion to deceive people and to mask a person's malice and slander towards someone that they may not see eye to eye with on a subject. It is really an attack on the gospel of the grace of Christ.
Works-based salvationists hate the gospel of the grace of Christ because it exposes their religion for what it really is. It is ungodly behavior which tries to hide under the mask of "defending the faith".
Let's actually hear what the "horse himself" has to say about "sin shall not have dominion over you".
This will expose the lies and continued slander and malice being manifested by some and is clearly seen in this OP's attempt at maligning the gospel of the grace of Christ for us.
If the enemy can attack the messenger - then he can attack the message. it has been this way since Christ and it remains to this day.....selah
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