Listen, I agree with you about a lot of what you've said in here. What I don't agree with is saying what is true but without love and gentleness, because then you just become a clanging gong, very painful to the ears of everyone. I won't continue to speak with you right now because I won't encourage you to sin. You could have perfect knowledge and perfect doctrine but you have absolutely nothing in it if you do not speak with the love and gentleness that the Spirit imparts. That goes for both sides and it goes for me as well.
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Listen, I agree with you about a lot of what you've said in here. What I don't agree with is saying what is true but without love and gentleness, because then you just become a clanging gong, very painful to the ears of everyone. I won't continue to speak with you right now because I won't encourage you to sin. You could have perfect knowledge and perfect doctrine but you have absolutely nothing in it if you do not speak with the love and gentleness that the Spirit imparts. That goes for both sides and it goes for me as well.
Since 2009, I've read & posted against Word of Faith doctrine, & back then most were against it. Even today, Nobody backs Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Creflo Dollar, & others like them, & rightly so, because WOF is a damnable doctrine.
Now, that said, this fella Prince has been proven without a shadow of a doubt, the evidence written in his books, that he is also WOF. Why is he allowed, when others aren't? People know Joel Osteen is a fraud, & Prince's first meeting in the US was at his "church". Prince has also been a guest on heretical TBN. All of this would have been good if he denounced their heresy & proclaimed the truth, but he didn't. Instead, he's been in full agreement.
We can pull the videos of Prince on these shows. They're on the internet for all to see. What then makes him so different? I can tell you of one difference..... He preaches what they preach, & adds hypergrace.
One simply cannot bear both good & bad fruit. A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
Well said Willie...everyone is a heretic to these mindsets if others "don't agree with what "I" say the scriptures are saying".
To those that don't believe in healing - you are heretic if you do believe God wants to heal us now.
To those that believe you can lose your salvation - you are a heretic if you believe Jesus said He would never leave us nor forsake us. ( this is where some in this thread are )
To those that believe tongues is not for today - then if someone says that tongues are for today - they are a heretic.
It's the nature of the beast with these types.
There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic.
There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham. Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin....Andrew Wommack...etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies".
There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.
Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics".
Their motto is: "If people don't believe some scriptures in the way that "they" do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.." This is not what we were taught in "my" church or in our whole church tradition.
It's the nature of the beast. Martin Luther was a heretic to the catholic church at the time because for 1100 years prior to Luther they had always "believed" the same way.
Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a false teacher and a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.
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Then by all means shows us all these many written evidences since there are "many written evidences". I am going to give you the same courtesy as I have all my other false accusers to provide some proof from my own words. And when you cannot, then we will also know you are nothing more than a liar and false accuser just like them. Will be waiting.......
So all the personal attacks I have endured in this thread is in love by them? Did you notice how they protect the words of a heretic over the the words of Jesus Christ? Did you not see the barrage of slander, false accusations, and personal attacks against me for exposing this heresy? Go and pull up some of my threads and posts and see what personal attacks I endure by this brood of vipers and serpents who call themselves Christians on a daily basis. And a warning to you, if you cast your lot with this heretic teaching you also will suffer them fate as them, you also have been warned.
You have already shocked me in the past by your blasphemy and heresy which is after the working of Satan. I try to limit my discussions with heretics.
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So all the personal attacks I have endured in this thread is in love by them? Did you notice how they protect the words of a heretic over the the words of Jesus Christ? Did you not see the barrage of slander, false accusations, and personal attacks against me for exposing this heresy? Go and pull up some of my threads and posts and see what personal attacks I endure by this brood of vipers and serpents who call themselves Christians on a daily basis. And a warning to you, if you cast your lot with this heretic teaching you also will suffer them fate as them, you also have been warned.
1. You have not exposed a heresy, and have been proven to be wrong in your accusations against him.
2. People respond to you the way they do because they are sick of your crap, and slander against others.
So now you are warning people? Who made you God?
This is the way the devil works, He threatens people (if you cast your lot with them you wil suffer the same fate) with damnation to get people to listen to him.
Here are some resources if any non brainwashed believers want to know what this heretic JP teaches---->>>
Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince
PORRIDGE FOR THE SOUL: HYPER-GRACE: JESUS’ PRE-CALVARY TEACHINGS IRRELEVANT
A Thorough Refutation of the False-Grace Heresy of Joseph Prince Part 1 | Cornerstone World Outreach
And those who follow and protect this heretics teachings are HERETICS themselves, so beware!
Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince
PORRIDGE FOR THE SOUL: HYPER-GRACE: JESUS’ PRE-CALVARY TEACHINGS IRRELEVANT
A Thorough Refutation of the False-Grace Heresy of Joseph Prince Part 1 | Cornerstone World Outreach
And those who follow and protect this heretics teachings are HERETICS themselves, so beware!
when you refuse to state the reality of you not being sinless and perfect, this is lying by default.Then by all means shows us all these many written evidences since there are "many written evidences". I am going to give you the same courtesy as I have all my other false accusers to provide some proof from my own words. And when you cannot, then we will also know you are nothing more than a liar and false accuser just like them. Will be waiting.......
when a person denies reality that they know, this is lying.
Is your "father" the person you quoted in the OP of the thread (with no acknowledgment of the site from which you quoted)? Please provide the link to the quote. Thank you.InSpiritInTruth said:
As far as the "Rod and His double edged Sword, and power over the enemy", I'll stick with the Lord Jesus Christ on that one
***Please ignore my request that you provide a link. I see you have now done that. thank you.
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No, you are incorrect, because you don't know the scriptures. Jesus ate at only one pharisee's house, and then he reproved him.
Luke 7
36Now one of the Pharisees was requesting Him to dine with him, and He entered the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37And there was a woman in the city who was a sinner; and when she learned that He was reclining at the table in the Pharisee’s house, she brought an alabaster vial of perfume, 38and standing behind Him at His feet, weeping, she began to wet His feet with her tears, and kept wiping them with the hair of her head, and kissing His feet and anointing them with the perfume. 39Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet He would know who and what sort of person this woman is who is touching Him, that she is a sinner.”40And Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he replied, “Say it, Teacher.” 41“A moneylender had two debtors: one owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42“When they were unable to repay, he graciously forgave them both. So which of them will love him more?” 43Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.” And He said to him, “You have judged correctly.” 44Turning toward the woman, He said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has wet My feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45“You gave Me no kiss; but she, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss My feet. 46“You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with perfume. 47“For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48Then He said to her, “Your sins have been forgiven.” 49Those who were reclining at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this man who even forgives sins?” 50And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Now, what I am aware of is that you will say anything to diminish the truth of my post against WOF and its teachers.
Jesus ate with publicans & sinners, religion's rejects, not the superspiritual hypocrites of His day.
The reason you are incorrect isn't because you didn't know the scriptures, but that you twisted what you knew to stand for a false teacher. Defenders of false teachers will reap their reward, because they preach/teach their doctrine. You can repent, but if you don't, you cannot run. You will pay in full what you owe.
That's not my doctrine, that's Bible.
I encourage people to read through this thread and you will readily see the deceitfulness, malice and slander that is being exhibited in the OP.
If you want further proof - click on the people's names and then go to the threads they start to see what kind of a "spirit" is driving this behavior. You will see that it is NOT the Holy Spirit.
When someone never talks about Jesus and His love and grace but in all posts there is nothing but condemnation, demonic, death, sin and accursedness and evil and hatred - there is something wrong.
The gospel of the grace of Christ is never spoken of - the Lord Jesus and His beauty is never spoken about. All this speaks volumes to me.
Jesus in His own words had this to say about "this spirit".
Luke 9:54-56 (NASB)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"
[SUP]55 [/SUP] But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
[SUP]56 [/SUP] for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."
With this post I am done in this thread as this malicious slandering of others in the body of Christ has been adequately exposed for what it truly is and we can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal the love and grace of Jesus to us all.
These deceivers will just have people going back and forth but the lies have not been left "un-challenged" so with that I am confident in the Lord. The purpose of most of their posts are just for "baiting" and "mocking" anyways and we are not ignorant of these devices.
If you want further proof - click on the people's names and then go to the threads they start to see what kind of a "spirit" is driving this behavior. You will see that it is NOT the Holy Spirit.
When someone never talks about Jesus and His love and grace but in all posts there is nothing but condemnation, demonic, death, sin and accursedness and evil and hatred - there is something wrong.
The gospel of the grace of Christ is never spoken of - the Lord Jesus and His beauty is never spoken about. All this speaks volumes to me.
Jesus in His own words had this to say about "this spirit".
Luke 9:54-56 (NASB)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"
[SUP]55 [/SUP] But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
[SUP]56 [/SUP] for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."
With this post I am done in this thread as this malicious slandering of others in the body of Christ has been adequately exposed for what it truly is and we can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal the love and grace of Jesus to us all.
These deceivers will just have people going back and forth but the lies have not been left "un-challenged" so with that I am confident in the Lord. The purpose of most of their posts are just for "baiting" and "mocking" anyways and we are not ignorant of these devices.
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Did you just determine by ISIT's posts that he's never received ANYTHING from God?!? You DID say ANYTHING, didn't you?
Please explain, for apparently you may not have said what you meant.
Normally I would agree with you, but every time Jesus spoke to or about false teachers, He was direct & plain. Sometimes it didn't look like love, but we know that's the way Jesus always did it.
Did people accuse Him of "being a friend of sinners," and "a drunkard," etc. because of this one section of verse you picked to use? I think not. This was His habitual style of life. He seems to always be going to the houses of "sinners", and constantly being around them. Otherwise, how would he get this "reputation?"
Who says I deny reality? And because of what I have not said I am somehow guilty of lying for being silent? By your own twisted reasoning you also would have condemned Jesus Christ to death as a liar.
Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
What I find very telling, often when I speak out against sin and for Jesus Christ being able to actually set a believer free from sin, somehow the enemies of God's Word try to attack me personally and make me a sinner and a liar like them, as if this will somehow prove the words of God wrong. This shows what spirit these reprobates are truly of, they want a god made in their own image. I guess Joseph Prince fits the bill for them.
I plainly said He had THAT reputation, just not with the religious elite.
Try again.
I reviewed what was at the site concerning the topic of this thread (Quote #19).InSpiritInTruth said:
The person quoted in Post #1 did not directly respond to what was written by Joseph Prince as quoted by Willie-T from the book "Destined to Reign" (Post #108).
Mr. Prince made the statement quoted in the OP concerning Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
The problematic statement was made concerning the words will not impute sin. What does that mean?
I read from the link ISIT posted and this issue was not addressed. Instead, the person who took offense to the statement by Mr. Prince responded with Isaiah 53:5, 2 Peter 1:4-10, 1 John 1:8-9, James 1:14-15, 2 Corinthians 10:5.
But no mention was made of Romans 4:8 or the words "will not impute sin".
I would be interested in knowing what your thoughts are concerning Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
What does it mean when God says the Lord will not impute sin?
Does that mean a person will never sin again?
Or does it mean that if a person does sin, his/her sin will not be taken into account? Thank you.
ISIT's link does mention that "We don’t sin as believers when we walk in the light; we sin when we walk away from it. In which case, we do as I John 1:9 instructs, we repent and get back in the light!"gb9 said:
So I suppose we can conclude that ISIT follows the same instructions contained in 1 John 1:9 that the rest of us mere mortals follow.