The ever-changing ESV Bible
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John146
fredoheaven
Why do YOU need to have something more than apostles and church had till 1500? What special revelation was added during that time? Or what is so special about you, that you must have every word in OT perfect?
Can you prove your:
a) theory of (only) one perfect translation
b) theory that it is the KJV (and by prove I mean prove that KJV is right, not to show that KJV is different)
John146
fredoheaven
Why do YOU need to have something more than apostles and church had till 1500? What special revelation was added during that time? Or what is so special about you, that you must have every word in OT perfect?
Can you prove your:
a) theory of (only) one perfect translation
b) theory that it is the KJV (and by prove I mean prove that KJV is right, not to show that KJV is different)
2 Samuel 21:19
KJV - And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
ESV - And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.
Wow! I thought David killed Goliath. There is truth to be had in 2 Samuel 21:19. One is correct and the other is false. Which ever one is false would nullify that version from being the word of truth.
KJV - And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
ESV - And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.
Wow! I thought David killed Goliath. There is truth to be had in 2 Samuel 21:19. One is correct and the other is false. Which ever one is false would nullify that version from being the word of truth.
Wow! I don't know! Perhaps there were two guys named Goliath? There apparently were quite a few of these giant guys running around over at Gath/Gob, wherever..
Is this a salvation issue?
You are the guy that says that the KJV is no problem to read and understand... that if there is an issue of not understanding the old English prose, the reader should go and STUDY it to understand it.
Same thing here... if I find a discrepancy in a translation, I will STUDY it, and go back to the original Greek if necessary, to understand it..... IF it is a salvation issue.
There have been other discrepancies like that pointed out to you and the other KJV only folks, that you simply brush aside as being typos, or not important...
Find something that is essential to salvation that has been mis-translated, and we'll talk...
Is this a salvation issue?
You are the guy that says that the KJV is no problem to read and understand... that if there is an issue of not understanding the old English prose, the reader should go and STUDY it to understand it.
Same thing here... if I find a discrepancy in a translation, I will STUDY it, and go back to the original Greek if necessary, to understand it..... IF it is a salvation issue.
There have been other discrepancies like that pointed out to you and the other KJV only folks, that you simply brush aside as being typos, or not important...
Find something that is essential to salvation that has been mis-translated, and we'll talk...
and, by the way, this is not the only translation that has written it that way. Apparently there was some confusion in the original texts, and many of the translations probably translated it word for word? I don't know. But I do know that the translations that don't say it was the brother of Goliath, DO put it in footnotes.
It is not a simple "mis-quote" as you like to propose.
It is not a simple "mis-quote" as you like to propose.
Nope, only one of them was named Goliath. The other giants had names too.
No, it's not a salvation issue. It's a truth issue. It's a trust issue. What it does is nullify the belief that the ESV is the word of truth.
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
If it's not all true, then it is not the word of truth.
No, it's not a salvation issue. It's a truth issue. It's a trust issue. What it does is nullify the belief that the ESV is the word of truth.
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
If it's not all true, then it is not the word of truth.
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Well, it is clear he won't listen to logic. so just let him live in his version of the world.
I guess he thinks only native English readers are saved by the way, as those of us using it as a second langauge don't have "KJ" versions of our bibles, for the obvious reason that we didn't have a king named James (at least not a bible- "writing" one)
If a man says that the sky (currently blue) is black, and keeps insisting on it, you are merely wasting your time arguing, he will keep on his delusion even with proof right in front of his eyes
I guess he thinks only native English readers are saved by the way, as those of us using it as a second langauge don't have "KJ" versions of our bibles, for the obvious reason that we didn't have a king named James (at least not a bible- "writing" one)
If a man says that the sky (currently blue) is black, and keeps insisting on it, you are merely wasting your time arguing, he will keep on his delusion even with proof right in front of his eyes
What exactly is "only opinion" about this:
"Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen (75) souls."
(KJV Acts 7:14)
"...all the souls of the house of Jacob, which came into Egypt, were threescore and ten (70)"
(KJV Genesis 46:27)
If you are suggesting such errors about ESV, why dont you see it in your KJV?
"Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen (75) souls."
(KJV Acts 7:14)
"...all the souls of the house of Jacob, which came into Egypt, were threescore and ten (70)"
(KJV Genesis 46:27)
If you are suggesting such errors about ESV, why dont you see it in your KJV?