The law is not your problem.

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Strange then that the more that Israel tried to follow the Law the more imperfect they became
The problem with the Jews is they created the Talmud (man made doctrines) and to them the Talmud has a higher authority than the word of God.

Unfortunately we also see it in the church today. We all follow our own doctrines instead of following the word of God. We are just as guilty as our Jewish counterparts.
 
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I doubt it. The Talmud contains some very evil prescriptions, such as child abuse etc.
 

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In the sense that he enforces the Law, he is a policeman
That was OT ! now we have a 'choice.....but we should not forget that we can not escape the consequences of sin for ever ! We are given by God's Grace time to repent and be cleansed of sin. Continual forgiveness is not the answer, this is only in force while we are being cleansed and perfected.
 

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This automatically tells us that Christ did not come to get rid of the law for it is good and spiritual. But rather he came to save from sin. The whole reason he gave the law was so we would see our sin and our need of saving.
I was in total agreement with your post up until this point...

I believe Jesus came to save us from the penalty of our sin.. that being the second death.. He came to save us from the curse which was attacked to the Law, namely the penalty we where under for breaking the Law..
 
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Right, it's not a problem for Christians, because we aren't under it.


"You are not under Law, but under grace.”
Rom. 6:14

"Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Gal. 3:24-25

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the Law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed." Gal. 3:23

"What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Law but under grace? May it never be!” Rom. 6:15

"To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law.” 1 Cor 9:20

"The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless(for the Law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.” Heb. 7:18

"Now we know that whatever the Law says, it says to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.” Rom. 3:19
 
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KohenMatt

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If I take my truck and drive it off of a cliff believing it will fly and it crashes to the ground, whose fault is it? The truck? No. It's not doing what it was intended to do. So the fault lies with me believing it should do something it was never intended to do. Thus, the truck is completely in order.

If I take the Law and attempt to gain salvation from it and that fails, whose fault is it? The Law? No. It was never intended to do so. So the fault lies with someone thinking the Law can gain salvation. Thus, the Law is completely in order.
 
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If I take my truck and drive it off of a cliff believing it will fly and it crashes to the ground, whose fault is it? The truck? No. It's not doing what it was intended to do. So the fault lies with me believing it should do something it was never intended to do. Thus, the truck is completely in order.

If I take the Law and attempt to gain salvation from it and that fails, whose fault is it? The Law? No. It was never intended to do so. So the fault lies with someone thinking the Law can gain salvation. Thus, the Law is completely in order.
If you need a law to tell you not to drive your truck off a cliff, you have more problems than just wanting to be under the Law. :rolleyes:
 
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"Tell me, you who want to live under the Law, do you know what the Law actually says? The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife. The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise. But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of His promise.

These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the Law that enslaved them. And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery to the Law. But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother. As Isaiah said,

“Rejoice, O childless woman,
you who have never given birth!
Break into a joyful shout,
you who have never been in labor!
For the desolate woman now has more children
than the woman who lives with her husband!”

And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise, just like Isaac. But you are now being persecuted by those who want you to keep the Law, just as Ishmael, the child born by human effort, persecuted Isaac, the child born by the power of the Spirit.

But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the free woman’s son. Gal. 4:21-30
 

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These comments are uplifting, depressing, confusing and more. I am sad that if it's the case that if we sin we have no faith and fail. Putting repentance in a place where we repent and are expected to have full faith and never sin or we are not in Christ again, and again. If we have faith, we mirror Christ, if not were sinners. Saying none of us are ever going to heaven, surely not. I pray that clarity is given to all through Christ. Or this confusion will lose many souls.
 
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Look it is not rocket science:

The law reveals sin.

Jesus saves from sin.

thus those who are saved from sin will by nature keep the law as they are free from sin.


For example:

Killing is sin, If one is saved by faith in Jesus they will not kill. Thus they by nature of the Spirit keep the law. Its that simple.

If you continue to sin then you are not in faith.

In this senerio. All people born of God would be sinless. If they create even one sin, Then they was not in the faith.


We need to stop looking at the pet sins everyone wants to look at and look at all sin.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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To be obedient to the word of God does not make you legalistic :)
Amen, it does not

However, sayingn it is what saves you, Keeps you saved, or prevents you from losing salvation is.

We also can get legalistic as children of God. when we start defeating ourselves when we realize who impossible it is to keep Gods law.
 
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In the sense that he enforces the Law, he is a policeman

if that was the case we would all be dead now. there would be no human alive on earth.
 
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Exactly. The Law led to a police state.

Grace leads to a Church where the only sword should be the sword of the Spirit. There should be no strong arm of the Church.

However the Church has attempted to use force, but this is contrary to God's instructions.
No, the law did not lead to a police state. Misinterpreting the purpose of the law led to a police state. and even a church can be a police church.
 
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Indeed this is true. Yet had they simply trusted God they would have ended up obeying it perfectly.
They would have?

Davd trusted God from childhood on.

How perfect was david?
Moses, Abraham?
 
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Perfection is a process....
Sanctification is a process.

Perfection (also known as glorification) will not occur until we are resurrected.
 
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These comments are uplifting, depressing, confusing and more. I am sad that if it's the case that if we sin we have no faith and fail. Putting repentance in a place where we repent and are expected to have full faith and never sin or we are not in Christ again, and again. If we have faith, we mirror Christ, if not were sinners. Saying none of us are ever going to heaven, surely not. I pray that clarity is given to all through Christ. Or this confusion will lose many souls.
It's not that we have no faith, it's that none of us live by faith in Christ perfectly. Which is why we should always thank God that He has settled the sin issue once and for all, through the perfect faithfulness of Christ....who remains faithful in those times when we have less faith. (2 Tim. 2:13)
 

Dai3234

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Sanctification is a process.

Perfection (also known as glorification) will not occur until we are resurrected.
So basically, everyone is roughly saying, none of us are going to heaven. I say this because following the law was impossible. And you say we naturally follow the law without following it intentionally, through faith. Though following the law was impossible. This is exactly why I used to feel like killing myself. Thinking I could never meet the requirements of old or new testament, and your implying you can't either? Even the apostles sinned but repented, so are they failures too. I think this is why people are angry, depressed and more because there are too many opinionative discrepancies. In my opinion, you repent of all sins known or unknown, from the heart, not wanting to do them. Knowing you will sin in the future, and need Christ to wash away and forgive those sins. Constantly trying to be better, but knowing we are weak and will stumble,fail, always. Until we are resurrected etc, clean and non-corruptable. Otherwise, every time we do a sin, we crumble thinking the time of not sinning was a failure because of the new sin. We are judged evil? Confused, so confused.
 

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The law is not your problem.
Thanks God for this.

Yes, the law is not my problem. Because it does not apply to me.

"So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

Gal 3:24