Actually, the debate has been about having the word of truth and not having the word of truth. Remember, the word of truth is always true, every word.
The King James Only Debate
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Actually, the debate has been about having the word of truth and not having the word of truth. Remember, the word of truth is always true, every word.
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This is one of the reasons that cemented my feet on the foundation that the KJV is THE bible and all westcott and hort translations are satanic counterfeits. Not only are 17 verses completely omitted from the NEW "UPDATED" NIV but the words on this list are far more ridiculous than the KJV counterparts.
Archaic Words in the NIV by Dr. Laurence Vance
I really don't care which bible a person reads, I would prefer everyone read the kjv because it is inerrant but I just point out another way of looking at kjv errors. And I point out errors on other bibles.
The bible even in its meanest form is still the bible. It is the Holy Spirit of God that makes the word of God efficacious not a group of translators or linguistic scholars.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
It is God not us that has the authority.
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Roger
If these verses are not to be found in any manuscript older than the 11th century, better way is to say that 17 verses were added to KJV.
You are sadly deluded if you think the KJV is inerrant.
If you go about pointing out the errors of other bibles you must expect to have others point our your errors.
Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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Roger
I agree with that. While most all bibles do contain some truth, others contain more and the kjv contains all including maintaining the symbols and number patterns.
The thing is you trust and believe the manuscrips that are fraud. How do you randomly believe something promoted by catholics to be the word of God? Smething that REFORMATIONS have revolted against? If you believe that thr KIV has added verses in the bible then explain these verses that clearly shows SOMETHING HAD TO BE ADDED to fill in these missing verses? Verses that are non-KJ and are found in all Wescott & Hott bibles.
Codex Sinaiticus is missing all 4 chapters of Genesis, missing all of Exodus, all but 3 chapters of Leviticus, all but 12 chapters of Numbers, all but 5 chapters of Deuteronomy, all but 3 chapter of Joshua, all but 7 chapter of Judges, missing all of Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, it jumps from 1 Chronicles 19:17 to the middle of the sentence of Ezra 9:9 without fixing & keeps going! Missing first 8 chapters of Ezra, missing Lamentations after 2:20, missing all of Ezekiel, all of Daniel, Hosea, all of Amos, and all of Micah. That is 11 entire books missing & most of 6 more. 1/4 of the Bible books! But ofc they maintain all of the Apocryphas. (Don't believe me? Check the website below)
Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | Genesis |
Proverbs (30:5-6) - Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
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I'm not deluded at least as far as the bible goes, I have first hand experience with the KJV and all it has to offer the believer. God's word isn't bound by language, there are many was to articulate God's word and even bring more clarity than the originals and that's pretty much what the kjv did.
we have continuously pointed out errors in all other major bibles while ya haven't been able to do so. Ya only complain about the KJV not being the word with no evidence to support what ya say.
See this is what destroys your credibility. No bible contains all the truth save the original manuscripts. Even here God chose to deliver His word through multiple writers and over centuries. The scripture we have is certainly sufficient but is it all inclusive? Perhaps but perhaps not.
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Many souls have been saved without a written version of Gods word. Many were unable to read and relied upon oral recitation of the word of God.
You just cannot go about making wide sweeping blanket statements and expect to be seen as a man of integrity. This is especially evident in that you see yourself as above reproach even when you are shown you obvious error.
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Roger
You are trying to deviate the argument about the KJV being infallible to it not being needed for salvation. We understand people can get saved through any version, we are nt the catholic church proclaimin that its the ONLY WAY FOR SALVATION. We are simply saying the KJV is the only bible for the English language that contains all the words God had promised to preserve without any errors.
Do you realize that Erasmus, the creator of the Textus Receptus (the base of KJV NT) was a catholic priest and he devoted his work to a pope?
So if you use only things created by protestants, you must give up your KJV.
You certainly know the credo of the reformation - "Ecclesia semper reformanda est" - Reformed church is always reforming itself.
To freeze in some greek/english edition when new evidences are found, is AGAINST the reformation, not for it.
You must probably ask specifically, its hard to respond generally.
Either you do not read well or you have very low comprehension of what you do read.
There was 1600 years of history before the KJV. Were men saved prior to the KJV?
Thou triest my patience. Thou makest my bowels to churn within me. Goest thou forth and seek knowledge. Thou mayest read of all the bible translations. Fearest not thou for the word of God is like an honeycomb and thou shalt not be judged if thou eatest.
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Roger
What am I supposed to say? Am I supposed to lie and say yes I believe the KJV has errors when I really don't believe it has errors? I have never seen an error in the KJV, but I don't look at errors the same way you do.
When the KJV translates pascha as Easter, you call that an error I don't. There is a very valid reason why the KJV used Easter instead of Passover in that verse. And it is absolutely 100% correct to use Easter in that instance... God through the KJV translators updated the originals in that verse and also in many many other verses.
Just because you can't see it or understand it doesn't make you right. If you're comfortable with believing it's a mistake then more power to you, but you have no right to force e to admit it's an error when you lack the understanding that I have on the issue.
I'm not asking to say anything. I'm encouraging you to stop saying things that are not true. No modern translation is inerrant. God did not inspire the KJV.
From a practical standpoint the KJV is a good and trustworthy bible translation. I do not fault anyone who uses the KJV. I use the KJV which you would have seen had you read any of the scriptures I post here on CC. I simply ask that you do not place the KJV above God Himself.
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Roger
that's a good idea... but then there's a layer of human imperfection (the dictionary writer) between me and the possibly perfect Bible.
Personally, I love the KJV for study. Am not an expert in greek and Hebrew so is much simpler to use this for searching truth.
But, whatever version we use, Holy Spirit is the Teacher and will spur us on to seeking further if that is our call.
But, whatever version we use, Holy Spirit is the Teacher and will spur us on to seeking further if that is our call.
"I shall sit down to Holy Scriptures with my whole heart, and devote the rest of my life to it… all these three years I have been working entirely at Greek and have not been , playing with it."
"As to me, all I have sought has been to open my contemporaries' eyes and bring them back from ritual to true Christianity."
"Read the Gospels … and see how we have degenerated."
Do you realize Martin Luther was a devouted Catholic monk who also gave us the base for our doctrine against the Catholic tyranny? Who was a well friend of Erasmus. Erasmus was considered a heretic even to the catholics and his books were put in the "forbidden books" by pope Paul IV. The quotes above were from Erasmus himself. Many "catholics" were so bc they had no choice, they were literally persecuted if they didn't obey them.
“Either this (the original Greek) is not the Gospel… or we are not Christians.” - Thomas Linacre, 1490
That quote was before the time of Erasmus time proving that just bc people were Catholics doesn't mean they agreed being their pawns.
The first English translation was the Vulgate from John Wycliffe, and even then the papacy had issues with that where they demanded after he died for his bones to be crushed and scattered in the river. Even Wycliffe felt the need to oppose the Catholics. John Hus, who supported his idea of people being able to read the scriptures in their own language was burned at the stake in 1415, with Wycliffe's manuscripts as kindle for the fire. The last words of John Hus were that, “in 100 years, God will raise up a man whose calls for reform cannot be suppressed.” Almost exactly 100 years later, in 1517, Martin Luther nailed his famous 95 Theses of Contention (a list of 95 issues of heretical theology and crimes of the Roman Catholic Church) into the church door at Wittenberg.
William Tyndale was the first man to translate the Greek manuscripts into a English Bible, and is the one KJV uses, which he got burned for being "heretic" they all were composed from the original manuscripts of the NT Greek in Antioch. Published by Erasmus and through a series of revisions by Martin Luther but the KJV itself says they used the last two editions of Theodore Beza and Stephanius. If your not a Catholic why would you use all these other bibles strictly going against the people who have been persecuted to perserve the word of God. Your a Reformer not a papist heathen.
You seem to imply KJV had added verses then how do you explain bibles that uses the Sinaiticus with 1/4 of the Bible missing?
Again, what does salvation have to do with the KJV not being the word of God? This is not whether people are only saved by a King James or not, this is if KJV is the infallible word of God which you cannot disprove. Were people saved prior to protestants? Ofc Catholics got saved with their corrupted doctrines so idek why that is a question.
"You are trying to deviate the argument about the KJV being infallible to it not being needed for salvation. We understand people can get saved through any version, we are nt the catholic church proclaimin that its the ONLY WAY FOR SALVATION. We are simply saying the KJV is the only bible for the English language that contains all the words God had promised to preserve without any errors."
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