The law is not your problem.
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The accepting of Christ, in my opinion, gives you a constant guide to follow in the ways of Christ. It changes who you are. Following the law by being told to try and meet it, is not accepting Christ. Trying to follow principles of the law as a learning tool can in my opinion, help you understand Christ more clearly. You may end up following some of the laws, but not by dictatorship. It may be because you are becoming more like a mirror to Christ. You end up seeing the benefit s and problems and just accept in your heart that "do on to others as you would have done on to you" (roughly), leads to this. Even if you don't read the law at all. And only read the new testament etc. Ignoring the law, and FOLLOWING the gospel, by dictatorship may be false also? I am not sure. But accepting is not dictatorship.
Friend, you can spin it in any direction but you are busy describing a changing God, and we all know God does not change 
His standards are high and will remain high even for us but we also have grace (like our brothers and sisters in the Old Testament).
His standards are high and will remain high even for us but we also have grace (like our brothers and sisters in the Old Testament).
Maybe its you who are supposed to change.
Maybe your divorce should be final so His Grace can be Final.
Once I know that I'm saved by the mercy and grace of Jesus' sacrifice, I am called to live the life of a disciple Like Jesus' disciples who once they knew and believed who Jesus was, were called to change the world. How did they do that? Did they just say they were to spiritually love others and to spiritually listen to, and be guided by the Holy Spirit. Or did Jesus expect them to actually DO something in their daily lives, as in actually and practically doing things for and to others. If we believe we are only to love people spiritually and not physically demonstrate it, we have a weak if not non-existent faith. We practically love in response to the salvation granted us.
This is where the Torah (law) can come in. Is it the only means of instruction to the believer? Absolutely not. But just because the Law doesn't bring salvation as some would think it should, doesn't mean the principles and instructions found in it are now automatically bad and not worthy of our attention. If God told His people in the law to cover up a hole so other people don't fall into it, Jesus' sacrifice doesn't make that instruction null and void, and unworthy of our time and attention. The principle and action still hold true.
Yes, yes. We know the Holy Spirit will be the one to guide us and show us how to love others. But doesn't it make sense that the same Holy Spirit who wrote the law would teach us to do the very things found in the law? Is the law the ONLY instruction for the believer? No. But just because it is the "law" doesn't mean it's invalid. It is still worthy of our study and application.
This is where the Torah (law) can come in. Is it the only means of instruction to the believer? Absolutely not. But just because the Law doesn't bring salvation as some would think it should, doesn't mean the principles and instructions found in it are now automatically bad and not worthy of our attention. If God told His people in the law to cover up a hole so other people don't fall into it, Jesus' sacrifice doesn't make that instruction null and void, and unworthy of our time and attention. The principle and action still hold true.
Yes, yes. We know the Holy Spirit will be the one to guide us and show us how to love others. But doesn't it make sense that the same Holy Spirit who wrote the law would teach us to do the very things found in the law? Is the law the ONLY instruction for the believer? No. But just because it is the "law" doesn't mean it's invalid. It is still worthy of our study and application.
Friend, you can spin it in any direction but you are busy describing a changing God, and we all know God does not change
Please understand what we are saying to you: We are not describing "a changing God." I have already shown you that the promise of this current faith came through Abraham 430 years before the law was given.
The law was given to demonstrate how sinful we are, i.e. how short we fall from God's righteous standards. Also, the law was only meant to last until the promised seed had come, Jesus Christ. Now that He has come, we are no longer under the law. It wasn't the law that was given first, but the promise through Abraham.
Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God and not by the keeping of the law, which hadn't even been given yet. Those who have the same faith as Abraham are his spiritual offspring. It is by grace through faith that we are saved and not by performing the works of the law.
"Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised.
That's like studying birds to learn how to fly. You can study them your whole life and not have the ability. Apply all those lessons you think you learned and you still won't do it. It will lead to disaster.
Galatians 3:9-12
[FONT="]9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
Galatians 3:9-12
[FONT="]9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
Actually, people did need to study birds to know that flight was possible and how. Flying wasn't a concept man came up with on their own, they learned about it from something that was already doing it.
How do you figure that you can study Scripture your whole life (in this case the law) and still not be able to do something in it? I can read the instruction to cover up a hole and do it. How is that disastrous? Do you hold this same standard to instructions in the New Testament?
How do you figure that you can study Scripture your whole life (in this case the law) and still not be able to do something in it? I can read the instruction to cover up a hole and do it. How is that disastrous? Do you hold this same standard to instructions in the New Testament?
According to some, it appears that we don't actually learn from Jesus. Apparently, we automatically are the people we should be.
As an aside, I wonder how many people hold Paul's teachings to a higher regard than Jesus' just the way many say people hold Moses' teachings (the Law) to a higher regard than Jesus'?
As an aside, I wonder how many people hold Paul's teachings to a higher regard than Jesus' just the way many say people hold Moses' teachings (the Law) to a higher regard than Jesus'?
My kids are the evidence of faith, It may surprise you but I teach my kids that the law was given not so that they could obey it but to show that they do not obey it nor could they. Thus it is designed to lead them to Jesus who can save them. The funny thing is that they changed and actually obey the law now simply by trusting Gods promises.
For a while they obeyed the law by faith in Christ without realising they were obeying the law until I showed them. But after a while things started going wrong again and so I asked them after a while. "why was the law given" and they replied "so we could obey it to get to heaven". I said to them using Galatians as my foundation, "how is that working out for you?" They said "its not working and I don't know why" Then I reminded them of the true purpose of the law and then Reminded them of what happened when the simply believed the promises of God in Christ", "They began to speak of how things started working and the fighting stopped and they were happier and contented" So I reminded them that it is by faith in Jesus that we are saved and not by works of the law. They have now come good again. Praise God. My kids are 5, 7, 11. It works for all of them.
The thing is that faith works and I can tell when they are walking in faith and when they are not, Simply by the law which either shows they are back to works of the law in which they fail constantly. Or if they are in faith and the law witnesses to the fruit of the righteousness of Christ.
This is the testimony of the experience with My Kids of the power of the Gospel.
For a while they obeyed the law by faith in Christ without realising they were obeying the law until I showed them. But after a while things started going wrong again and so I asked them after a while. "why was the law given" and they replied "so we could obey it to get to heaven". I said to them using Galatians as my foundation, "how is that working out for you?" They said "its not working and I don't know why" Then I reminded them of the true purpose of the law and then Reminded them of what happened when the simply believed the promises of God in Christ", "They began to speak of how things started working and the fighting stopped and they were happier and contented" So I reminded them that it is by faith in Jesus that we are saved and not by works of the law. They have now come good again. Praise God. My kids are 5, 7, 11. It works for all of them.
The thing is that faith works and I can tell when they are walking in faith and when they are not, Simply by the law which either shows they are back to works of the law in which they fail constantly. Or if they are in faith and the law witnesses to the fruit of the righteousness of Christ.
This is the testimony of the experience with My Kids of the power of the Gospel.
Praise God your children are walking with the Lord. My kids are close to the same age as yours, and it truly is a blessing to see God get a hold of their lives.
And while you're teaching your kids some wise lessons there, it's important to remember that as parents, it's still our duty to train our kids and teach them how to live. Train a child in the way they should go, and they will not depart from it. It's wise for us to direct our children to Scriptural principles to know how to live. That, along with a proper understanding of where obedience lies in comparison with faith, is crucial.
What I have a concern with many folks is the attitude that we shouldn't teach individual principles and instructions within Scripture, and instead should chalk a Christian life up to "I become obedient simply because of my faith in Jesus." Our faith is paramount, but there is a need for us to study the Scriptures to know what God has for us.
And while you're teaching your kids some wise lessons there, it's important to remember that as parents, it's still our duty to train our kids and teach them how to live. Train a child in the way they should go, and they will not depart from it. It's wise for us to direct our children to Scriptural principles to know how to live. That, along with a proper understanding of where obedience lies in comparison with faith, is crucial.
What I have a concern with many folks is the attitude that we shouldn't teach individual principles and instructions within Scripture, and instead should chalk a Christian life up to "I become obedient simply because of my faith in Jesus." Our faith is paramount, but there is a need for us to study the Scriptures to know what God has for us.
see thats your problem , without the apostle or paul or hebrew, you would not know what the lord has done for you.
Prophecy and Parables
34 All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable.35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet:
"I will open my mouth in parables;
I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world."Matthew 13
that s why history will tell you ,not until around 1500ad ,not many knew they way to a saviour. ie the bible going to print etc
Prophecy and Parables
34 All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable.35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet:
"I will open my mouth in parables;
I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world."Matthew 13
that s why history will tell you ,not until around 1500ad ,not many knew they way to a saviour. ie the bible going to print etc