Dualism, the doctrine of a disassociated identity

[CharlieGrown]

Just an observation. I know you're using DID on quotes and as an analogy but it is an actual condition and as you know not one that is chosen or wilfully flipped on or off.

The other point is yes we are reborn in spirit but then begins the sometimes lifelong process of working out our salvation. I think the issue occurs when we want that drive thru moment when everything falls into place. Not really like that that in real life.

 

[dcontroversal]

Still waiting........Do you sin? Yes or No

Either one of you answer!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Perfection is a long long road..not a bungee-jump. Even to our last breath we still sin, simply because we are still in the flesh. Even if we may perfect some areas in our life, we still fail at others and its always the same.
As long as we are alive, we are still in a human body with the sinful nature.

That is another common misunderstanding in red, and that is, when we are born again of the Spirit we are still in the first fleshy nature. But Jesus said, that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which born of Spirit is spirit. This verse here also proves the notion wrong that we are still in the flesh after being born again of the Spirit of Christ....

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And here is a post I wrote on the first sin nature, which is why we must be born again of a new nature in Christ--->>>

I’ve heard some discuss recently if man is born with a sin nature, and I would like to take the time to comment on this issue according to scripture. I absolutely believe man is born with a nature to sin. This nature was introduced into the world through Adams sin, and the spirit of it also dwells in the firstborn nature of man.

We are told in Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

This is what I believe Paul was showing here in the law of sin and death in Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Also Paul also said in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

There are 2 seeds, just as there are 2 natures. The first is earthy and of the flesh and is also carnally minded which is of the spirit of this world, and found in the first Adam. The second is of the Holy Spirit, and is of God, sent forth in the seed of Promise, even in our Lord Jesus from heaven.

Here is an example of the first nature in Ephesians 2:3 “Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.”

Now some believe there is an age of accountability for children, but I believe the scriptures also prove this idea false. In Psalm 51:5 “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.” And also here in Psalm 58:3 “The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.” Also the Lord said in Genesis 8:21… for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; ….”

So that is some sound scriptural proof to confirm, but think about this; if man did not have a sin nature from first being born of the flesh and also carnally minded, then why would man have to be “born again” and made a “new man” in Christ by the Holy Spirit?

The old man of sin must die, and the body of sin must also be destroyed. And when this happens in Christ, we then are also raised up a new man in Him and given a new nature and mind by the Spirit of God.

Our hearts must be changed, and the spirit of our minds must be renewed in Jesus Christ Ephesians 4:23 “And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;​

 

[PeterJens]

Perfection is a long long road..not a bungee-jump. Even to our last breath we still sin, simply because we are still in the flesh. Even if we may perfect some areas in our life, we still fail at others and its always the same.
As long as we are alive, we are still in a human body with the sinful nature.
I will only believe that you dont sin when you dont die and you and your body get taken into heaven like Enoch and Elijah.. Tho even then I would doubt it.
We are not yet free from sin. If we were free, no christian woman would have labor pains

This is the doctrine of inability. There is something within that means we are always
fallen. It is a faith position rather than a real one.

Our view of holiness, righteousness, sin and rebellion is different to Gods.
God accepted and walk with people we would very much not relate to.

So my exploration has been two fold. What is righteousness and sin, and
what is holiness and purity in Gods eyes.

If you look at these issues through bible studies you will get a different answer
to that which is mainly preached and believed.

We can walk in holiness and purity, and defilement is a choice of our hearts.

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you sin, yes or no? We've been waiting...

They cannot or will not answer...because their error will be obvious to all!

 

[CharlieGrown]

Perfection is a long long road..not a bungee-jump. Even to our last breath we still sin, simply because we are still in the flesh. Even if we may perfect some areas in our life, we still fail at others and its always the same.
As long as we are alive, we are still in a human body with the sinful nature.
I will only believe that you dont sin when you dont die and you and your body get taken into heaven like Enoch and Elijah.. Tho even then I would doubt it.
We are not yet free from sin. If we were free, no christian woman would have labor pains

Amen. Most people don't see the mystery in plain sight of Romans chapter 6.

 

[dcontroversal]

Still waiting...Do you Sin....YES OR NO...SIMPLE ANSWER....

 

[Demi777]

Well maybe you got me wrong or maybe I am getting you wrong. I am not sure.
It seems like your telling me that what I said is wrong. If this is the case, I would like to know what is wrong with it and why you believe that.
God guides us and helps us but we will keep falling short to his glory. Jesus is the way for us to be cleansed and go on again purified by his mercy, grace and sacrefice for the sins.
I fall short to Gods glory, just like everyone else. I do not believe anyone can go sinless. Even if we make it for a while, we eventually do something again that we bring before the Lord and he will help us.

This is the doctrine of inability. There is something within that means we are always
fallen. It is a faith position rather than a real one.

Our view of holiness, righteousness, sin and rebellion is different to Gods.
God accepted and walk with people we would very much not relate to.

So my exploration has been two fold. What is righteousness and sin, and
what is holiness and purity in Gods eyes.

If you look at these issues through bible studies you will get a different answer
to that which is mainly preached and believed.

We can walk in holiness and purity, and defilement is a choice of our hearts.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Split personality is a real mental disorder, where behaviour in an individual is so abhorant,
though it is the persons own behaviour they deny it is them, rather another person in their life.

The whole point of Christ is to bring honesty and openness and stop this denial, whether as
a front of being good, or totally out of control, or as something else taking over.

So if people claim faith, but support split personality as healthy, they are just confirming how
unstable they actually are. Nothing from this point onwards can really be discussed, because
it is not part of the kingdom, it is just a disorder of the mind.

If a whole movement take this on as their way of being, they stand condemned as evil doers
who have not repented. Christ did not die to create split personalities not able to face or
control their own behaviour. That is just admiting you are a slave to sin, but denying it is
you, even though there is no one else involved.

I believe the words of James speak to this double minded man....

James 4:8

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

James 1:21-24

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was."

 

[dcontroversal]

Well maybe you got me wrong or maybe I am getting you wrong. I am not sure.
It seems like your telling me that what I said is wrong. If this is the case, I would like to know what is wrong with it and why you believe that.
God guides us and helps us but we will keep falling short to his glory. Jesus is the way for us to be cleansed and go on again purified by his mercy, grace and sacrefice for the sins.
I fall short to Gods glory, just like everyone else. I do not believe anyone can go sinless. Even if we make it for a while, we eventually do something again that we bring before the Lord and he will help us.

Notice that neither one of them will answer with a simple yes or no to the question..Do you sin....yes or no....their failure to answer with a simple yes or no proves they are deceptive and teaching error.......very very deceptive....like the Pharisees they are....makes me think of Jesus asking the Pharisees about the baptism of John.....snakes!

 

[passing_through]

Well maybe you got me wrong or maybe I am getting you wrong. I am not sure.
It seems like your telling me that what I said is wrong. If this is the case, I would like to know what is wrong with it and why you believe that.
God guides us and helps us but we will keep falling short to his glory. Jesus is the way for us to be cleansed and go on again purified by his mercy, grace and sacrefice for the sins.
I fall short to Gods glory, just like everyone else. I do not believe anyone can go sinless. Even if we make it for a while, we eventually do something again that we bring before the Lord and he will help us.

You need to learn the difference between "sin" in regards to what we do and "Sin" (cap. S) as to what the unregenerate sinner is, what we are excepting for Jesus Christ.

 

[Demi777]

Well I will tell you brother. I sin. I fall short to Gods glory daily. But I keep going to him and he helps me and he is with me. And I try and try and I tell you that by the grace of God, he has not left me. And I get stronger and better daily

Notice that neither one of them will answer with a simple yes or no to the question..Do you sin....yes or no....their failure to answer with a simple yes or no proves they are deceptive and teaching error.......very very deceptive....like the Pharisees they are....makes me think of Jesus asking the Pharisees about the baptism of John.....snakes!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Still waiting...Do you Sin....YES OR NO...SIMPLE ANSWER....

The only reason you people ask this question over and over again is so you can bring accusations and condemnation. If we answer one way or the other, we still will be accused and condemned by those who hate the Truth according to the words of God.

What I am, and what you are does not make the words of God any less true. So stop trying to judge and conform the words of God to your own sinful condition and image, but rather let the words and Word of God transform you in to the image of God's blessed Son Jesus Christ.

 

[John146]

The only reason you people ask this question over and over again is so you can bring accusations and condemnation. If we answer one way or the other, we still will be accused and condemned by those who hate the Truth according to the words of God.

What I am, and what you are does not make the words of God any less true. So stop trying to judge and conform the words of God to your own sinful condition and image, but rather let the words and Word of God transform you in to the image of God's blessed Son Jesus Christ.

We will never be transformed into the image of Christ in this life, though we should strive. Renewing our minds in Scripture certainly helps but sin will be with us until the day of redemption. It's a future thing. It's our destination.

In Christ, I am a new creature. My body is not in Christ and has not been redeemed. Take a look at your body...it's still under the condemnation of sin and death. It's dying. It's subject to disease and sickness. One day, it will die.

 

[Chester]

Do you sin, yes or no? We've been waiting...

I did sin - just this morning! But I am not planning to commit any more sins! God has given me all I need to live above sin!

But if I do fail (sin), He will forgive and cleanse with His blood. Hallelujah!

(I know you weren't asking me -- but I can't keep my mouth shut! LOL)

 

[John146]

I did sin - just this morning! But I am not planning to commit any more sins! God has given me all I need to live above sin!

But if I do fail (sin), He will forgive and cleanse with His blood. Hallelujah!

(I know you weren't asking me -- but I can't keep my mouth shut! LOL)

He will or He has?

 

[Grace777x70]

I believe the answering of the question "Do you sin?" is important because it shows that we don't have the complete interpretation of this verse below which is often quoted to condemn people that are struggling with a work of the flesh which they are battling.

1 John 3:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

The doctrine of "sinless perfection in the flesh" stems from the wrong interpretation of this scripture. If someone says that they are sinning - than the sinless perfection in the flesh people say that you are not born of God.

Sinning in the flesh is always done in the present tense and it is an act of our will - despite Flip Wilson saying that "the devil made him do it".

We are yielding to the flesh and this yielding will bring destruction to us in this life.

This is the real reason why people will not answer a direct question like this. Then people will say - "You are not born of God because you sin."..and thus their whole doctrine gets exposed as being not the gospel of the grace of Christ.

 

[dcontroversal]

The only reason you people ask this question over and over again is so you can bring accusations and condemnation. If we answer one way or the other, we still will be accused and condemned by those who hate the Truth according to the words of God.

What I am, and what you are does not make the words of God any less true. So stop trying to judge and conform the words of God to your own sinful condition and image, but rather let the words and Word of God transform you in to the image of God's blessed Son Jesus Christ.

Try again....if you are biblical and say yes your whole thread falls and if you say no your a liar and not biblical......so...YES OR NO <--DO YOU SIN?

 

[Chester]

He will or He has?

I will leave that subject for another thread!!!

 

[Ahwatukee]

^^^
This is talking about after resurrection when we are in our Glorified Bodies.

We will not be able to sin after that... until then... yes, we still sin.

Morning Base12,

First of all, there in nothing in the context of the scripture that infers that John is referring to the post resurrected state. And second, if John was speaking about the post resurrected state, this scripture would not be necessary and that because those who take part in the resurrection will be raised in their immortal and glorified bodies, meaning that they no longer have a sinful nature. Regarding the resurrection 1 Cor.15:43 states that, this body that was sown in dishonor (sinful nature) will be raised in glory.