Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!

Stephen63 · Dec 2, 2016

Heb 11:32And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets, 33who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, 34quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; 36and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment.37They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated 38(men of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground.39And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.

Matthew 5:

10“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

2 Corinthians 4:

7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the surpassing greatness of the power will be of God and not from ourselves; 8we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; 9persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. 11For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12So death works in us, but life in you.

2 Corinthians 12:

9And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

2 Timothy 3:

10Now you followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, perseverance, 11persecutions, and sufferings, such as happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium and at Lystra; what persecutions I endured, and out of them all the Lord rescued me! 12Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

BTW, WHO is denying Jesus? Not even the false teachers here do that.

Angela53510 · Dec 2, 2016

HisHolly said:

I don't believe I have seen you post a single Bible verse supporting this nonsense. Your "good news" is not Biblical, but a modern day heresy. (Wait, you said something about wanting people to read further in the Bible, yet you dno't even post references so we can read in context, which is never a bad thing to do. Yet, you do not do it. Just WoF hearsay!)

Here is what I see as being the gospel or Good News:

"Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me." 1 Cor. 15:1-8

Jesus did have an incredible healing ministry, as a witness to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies concering him. And the disciples also healed, but their primary focus was spreading the "good news" that Jesus came to die for our sins, for those who believe.

I believe God can heal if he wants to. But he does not heal "on demand." God is not some easy download of a movie called "healing" or "wealth." He has many purposes for his people, like comforting those who are hurting.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,4 who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God." 2 Cor. 1:3-4

As for God's purpose for the Christian, it is to reach out with the gospel. To do that, he is tranforming us and making us to be more like him in spirit. Not to make us the ones who fulfill the Old Testament prophecies.

"And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." Phil. 1:6

As for things that go wrong in our lives:

"And we know all things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28

And what motivates us? We must keep our eyes fixed on Jesus, not on externals like signs and wonders.

"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God" Hebrews 12:1-2

Miri · Dec 2, 2016

A few more verses, in fact the NT has a lot to say about trials and
suffering and how we should deal with it.

Revelation 21:4 NKJV
[4] And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death,
nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have
passed away."

James 1:2-4 NKJV
[2] My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
[3] knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.
[4] But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and
complete, lacking nothing.

Romans 5:1-5 NKJV
[1] Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through
our Lord Jesus Christ, [2] through whom also we have access by faith into this
grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
[3] And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation
produces perseverance; [4] and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
[5] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured
out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 Peter 4:12-13 NKJV
[12] Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try
you, as though some strange thing happened to you; [13] but rejoice to the
extent that you partake of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory is revealed,
you may also be glad with exceeding joy.

Angela53510 · Dec 2, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

Very repetitious! You already posted this, with the Strong's words below. Fortunately, my Greek doesn't need these little helps, and neither do they get into syntax or grammar.

Mostly though, your using on short verse leaves out context! A clear exegesis of the text requires context, which they don't seem to teach you at Rhema, it seems from your many posts, using a Greek you do not read or understand. True context doesn't even need the Greek, it just needs the surrounding chapter, if it is quoted or from the Old Testament, the audience it was written to, where it was written, etc. Greek is only for resolving deeper grammatical issues, or word usage. So:

CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

I hope that helps you understand where not just this error, but all your error in your false doctrine comes from.

So let us look at 1 Thess. 5:16-22, which contains the above verse. I do not see anywhere that you posted the reference for this verse you obviously love as part of your false doctrine.

"Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. 19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies, 21 but test everything; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil." 1 Thess. 5:16-22

In what circumstances should we be giving thanks in? Well, quite obviously ALL circumstances.So you know, sickness and health, bad and good, poor and rich. Not just being a fair weather Christian. Or worse, a gloom and doom Christian who says people don't have enough faith to be healed, implying they don't have enough faith to be saved?? Because they do seem packaged in the false WoF gospel.

So what is good? Just some kind of external gospel that is only about healing and wealth?

Or perhaps that God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son? You know, that sort of thing? The miracle of salvation contained in the atonement! But not healing!

Or is this "good?"

"Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." Phil. 4:8

"[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." Romans 12:2[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Or maybe the opposite of evil.

"[/FONT]Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves." Romans 12:9[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Oh wait, "good" is in your definition of kilos [/FONT]καλός, which is a very simple, and common word in Greek.

"beautiful, good, worthy
Definition: beautiful, as an outward sign of the inward good, noble, honorable character; good, worthy, honorable, noble, and seen to be so."

As for testing prophecies in verse 20 - definitely so! So many false prophecies going out from the WoF movement and the branches it has spun off.

Depleted · Dec 2, 2016

Whassup said:

Boy! You really don't get the gospel at all!

Rights? We have one right -- the consequence of sin -- separation from God, death and hell.

God -- who holds all other rights -- made a way for some to get out of what is "rightfully" ours. And that is through Christ Jesus and because his sacrifice on the cross, which made him "righteous" because he took on the punishment of whosoever.

That's the cake. Not everyone gets even the cake. For those of us who are "whosoever" the frosting is perfection in God through eternity to worship him and glorify him.

I never "chose" to be healed, yet I was. And, I'm not. If you would take the time to read what is given to you, instead of wasting so much effort coming up with some of the dumbest versions of a gospel (that is not God's gospel at all), you might have figured all this out 30 some pages ago. AND you might have understood my article.

If God heals us, there is no choice but to be healed. BUT teaching a false gospel does come under unpardonable, if God CHOOSES not to save you between now and bodily death. That hell part is even worse for those who try to dissuade God's kids from God into following something so absolutely false as what you teach.

Depleted · Dec 2, 2016

stonesoffire said:

So is a thornapple, but it too will kill you.

And, no. I don't listen to false "teachers." It's a thing. Once I first realize how false they are, what is to learn but bad info poorly taught? I also never read Mein Kampf or Marxist babbles either.

Depleted · Dec 2, 2016

Wanderer,
Just so you know, don't play word games among etymologists, linguists, semanticists, or apologists. The only thing you get out of it is embarrassed.

Angela53510 said:

Very repetitious! You already posted this, with the Strong's words below. Fortunately, my Greek doesn't need these little helps, and neither do they get into syntax or grammar.

Mostly though, your using on short verse leaves out context! A clear exegesis of the text requires context, which they don't seem to teach you at Rhema, it seems from your many posts, using a Greek you do not read or understand. True context doesn't even need the Greek, it just needs the surrounding chapter, if it is quoted or from the Old Testament, the audience it was written to, where it was written, etc. Greek is only for resolving deeper grammatical issues, or word usage. So:

CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

I hope that helps you understand where not just this error, but all your error in your false doctrine comes from.

So let us look at 1 Thess. 5:16-22, which contains the above verse. I do not see anywhere that you posted the reference for this verse you obviously love as part of your false doctrine.

"Rejoice always,17 pray without ceasing,18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.19 Do not quench the Spirit.20 Do not despise prophecies,21 but test everything; hold fast what is good.22 Abstain from every form of evil." 1 Thess. 5:16-22

In what circumstances should we be giving thanks in? Well, quite obviously ALL circumstances.So you know, sickness and health, bad and good, poor and rich. Not just being a fair weather Christian. Or worse, a gloom and doom Christian who says people don't have enough faith to be healed, implying they don't have enough faith to be saved?? Because they do seem packaged in the false WoF gospel.

So what is good? Just some kind of external gospel that is only about healing and wealth?

Or perhaps that God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son? You know, that sort of thing? The miracle of salvation contained in the atonement! But not healing!

Or is this "good?"

"Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." Phil. 4:8

"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." Romans 12:2

Or maybe the opposite of evil.

"Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves." Romans 12:9

Oh wait, "good" is in your definition of kilos καλός, which is a very simple, and common word in Greek.

"beautiful, good, worthy
Definition: beautiful, as an outward sign of the inward good, noble, honorable character; good, worthy, honorable, noble, and seen to be so."

As for testing prophecies in verse 20 - definitely so! So many false prophecies going out from the WoF movement and the branches it has spun off.

LaurenTM · Dec 2, 2016

Cee said:

show me where I said God controls everything...someone else may have, I don't know, but I didn't

suffering is not about sickness in the Bible? apart from the fact that is not so, many WOFers will tell us that suffering occurs because of a lack of faith...along with sickness

well let's have it then...show us

this does not even figure in to the discussion and even if it did, you would get no argument from me on that note

you are confusing the issue in your responses above and I would really like to see, from scripture, where you get the idea that sickness is caused for lack of discernment of the body...since you have body capitalized...I will assume you mean the body of Christ?

please clarify

thanks

I brought up that scripture because you are focusing only on what you seem to think confirms your view or interpretation of verses that I really do not think support WOF

however, I still cannot believe you really think I was trying to say that God enjoys us suffering

all suffering in scripture is most certainly NOT all about persecution

how is it you compartmentalize your beliefs the way you do?

posthuman · Dec 2, 2016

Psalm 41 (NASB)

For the choir director.
A Psalm of David.

1

How blessed is he who considers the [SUP][a][/SUP]helpless;
The Lord will deliver him in a day of [SUP][/SUP]trouble.

2
The Lord will protect him and keep him alive,
And he shall [SUP][c][/SUP]be called blessed upon the earth;
And do not give him over to the desire of his enemies.

3
The Lord will sustain him upon his sickbed;
In his illness, You [SUP][d][/SUP]restore him to health.

4

As for me, I said, “O Lord, be gracious to me;
Heal my soul, for I have sinned against You.”

5
My enemies speak evil against me,
“When will he die, and his name perish?”

6
And [SUP][e][/SUP]when he comes to see me, he speaks [SUP][f][/SUP]falsehood;
His heart gathers wickedness to itself;
When he goes outside, he tells it.

7
All who hate me whisper together against me;
Against me they devise my hurt, saying,

8
“A wicked thing is poured out [SUP][g][/SUP]upon him,
That when he lies down, he will not rise up again.”

9
Even my close friend in whom I trusted,
Who ate my bread,
Has lifted up his heel against me.

10

But You, O Lord, be gracious to me and raise me up,
That I may repay them.

11
By this I know that You are pleased with me,
Because my enemy does not shout in triumph over me.

12
As for me, You uphold me in my integrity,
And You set me in Your presence forever.

13

Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel,
From everlasting to everlasting.

Amen and Amen.

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LaurenTM · Dec 2, 2016

Cee said:

that is a truly terrible understanding of persecution...just really awful

we are called to follow and be like Christ...the object is not to get us persecuted, but to make sons and daughters for God

where do you get this stuff????

persecution may happen, but it is not the calling we have...that is waaaaaay off base

there were NOT 2 opposing wills in the garden...there was always only ONE

it was simply, THY WILL BE DONE

Jesus said if possible

Jesus did not have a dualistic nature! this is absolutely wrong teaching...Jesus was both God and man...but not at odds...he did the perfect will of God whereas none of us ever have or can

whoever taught you this, is dead wrong and if you somehow came to that conclusion yourself, it's in the category of heresy

Jesus did not have any sort of two opposing wills

this is getting scary...just really off base!

LaurenTM · Dec 2, 2016

HisHolly said:

that was regarding the act of sacrifice...God was displeased with one and pleased with the other

yet...David is said to have had a heart after God

and God chooses...which indicates he makes a choice...so while we are all precious in His eyes and He loves each of us, we are not a level playing field

which is why different people receive different gifts and why we have teaching inspired by the Holy Spirit and teaching inspired by doctrines of demons...even though both may have started out the same

we play a big part in how things get done

you don't have to believe that at all and I don't expect you to receive it...but I am sure some will see that and agree

I would not even call it favoritism...but the individual response to God plays a part and God says when we seek Him with our whole heart we will find Him...not everyone throws it all in

posthuman · Dec 2, 2016

Whassup said:

See now that I, I am He!
And there is no god besides Me;
It is I who put to death and give life.
I have wounded and it is I who heal,
And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.
(Deuteronomy 32:39)

prodigal · Dec 2, 2016

The Beatitudes

2 And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[a] of God.
10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, fortheirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

[h=1]2 Corinthians 12:10-11English Standard Version (ESV)[/h]10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
11 I have been a fool! You forced me to it, for I ought to have been commended by you. For I was not at all inferior to these super-apostles, even though I am nothing.
2 Corinthians 11:25English Standard Version (ESV)

25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea;

LaurenTM · Dec 2, 2016

HisHolly said:

interesting

but not necessarily

the workers who came in to work at the end of the day, received the same wages as those from the start of the day

God gives to whom He will...and forgives as generously

our obedience is as a gift of love to Him...it does not create some sort of payback with interest for those who obey better

if we obey, we keep OURSELVES out of trouble...but God's love does not change and He does not favor one over the other as our efforts do not and never will create some sort of holiness

prodigal · Dec 2, 2016

Whassup said:

Proof of the pudding brutha bro man... well over 2 decades I have not been sick... you are wrong where MY life is concerned, but apparently you are RIGHT where your life is concerned. Enjoy!

What are you??? A little devil?

///////////////////

LaurenTM · Dec 2, 2016

stonesoffire said:

Hinn's 'fruit' is sweet?

fruit is the characteristics of Christ's life in us

Hinn has stood up front in front of thousands upon thousands of people and literally CURSED those who have called him to some sort of account

I have heard this myself..and you can find it on the web

since when are we to curse others even if they hurt us?

can we remember what Jesus said about that, or is the false light from Hinn getting in the way?

prodigal · Dec 2, 2016

proverbs

26 Just as snow should not fall in summer, nor rain at harvest time, so people should not honor a fool.
2 Don’t worry when someone curses you for no reason. Nothing bad will happen. Such words are like birds that fly past and never stop.
3 You have to whip a horse, you have to put a bridle on a mule, and you have to beat a fool.
4-5 There is no good way to answer fools when they say something stupid. If you answer them, then you, too, will look like a fool. If you don’t answer them, they will think they are smart.
6 Never let a fool carry your message. If you do, it will be like cutting off your own feet. You are only asking for trouble.
7 A fool trying to say something wise is like a crippled person trying to walk.
8 Showing honor to a fool is as bad as tying a rock in a sling.
9 A fool trying to say something wise is like a drunk trying to pick a thorn out of his hand.
10 Hiring a fool or a stranger who is just passing by is dangerous—you don’t know who might get hurt.
11 Like a dog that returns to its vomit, a fool does the same foolish things again and again.
12 People who think they are wise when they are not are worse than fools.
13 A person who is lazy and wants to stay home says, “What if there is a lion out there? Really, there might be a lion in the street!”
14 Like a door on its hinges, a lazy man turns back and forth on his bed.
15 Lazy people are too lazy to lift the food from their plate to their mouth.
16 Lazy people think they are seven times smarter than the people who really have good sense.
17 To step between two people arguing is as foolish as going out into the street and grabbing a stray dog by the ears.
18-19 Anyone who would trick someone and then say, “I was only joking” is like a fool who shoots flaming arrows into the air and accidentally kills someone.
20 Without wood, a fire goes out. Without gossip, arguments stop.
21 Charcoal keeps the coals glowing, wood keeps the fire burning, and troublemakers keep arguments alive.
22 People love to hear gossip. It is like tasty food on its way to the stomach.
23 Good words that hide an evil heart are like silver paint over a cheap, clay pot. 24 Evil people say things to make themselves look good, but they keep their evil plans a secret. 25 What they say sounds good, but don’t trust them. They are full of evil ideas. 26 They hide their evil plans with nice words, but in the end, everyone will see the evil they do.
27 Whoever digs a pit can fall into it. Whoever rolls a large stone can be crushed by it.
28 Liars hate the people they hurt, and false praise can hurt people.

Whassup · Dec 2, 2016

First off, I ain't yo boy, and second off... we'll see in the end who understands what.
The Lord is my judge, so your opinion is ignored.

You are a glass half empty person who is still living after the flesh not recognizing that Jesus Christ PAID for us to be righteous... Did you get that???? He went to the Cross and PAID for our sin so we could be in right standing with the Father.

If you don't get that, then you are ignorant of what God's Word teaches.

That's correct!

1 Peter 2:24
Jesus carried our sins in his own body on the cross, so that we, being dead to sin, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed.

Notice how this verse says "you were healed"??? Healing is a fact, God has already provided it to His people,,, problem is, some of His people take the word of ignorant preachers who don't know what 1 Peter 2:24 means (among other scriptures on healing) over what God's Word teaches which is accepting the traditions of men over what God says in His Word.

And so some folks think healing has passed away and they are stuck with medical sciense which is no better than gambling in Vegas.

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

If one is walking with the Lord... why is God going to whack one of His own people???

No, it's the ones walking in opposition to Him that is in danger of getting whacked brutha bro man

prodigal · Dec 2, 2016

isaiah 28

13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

wanderer6059 · Dec 2, 2016

Angela53510 said:

that a lot of opinion, and very little context... but i'll work with it. context of the verses is a living manner in preparation for the day of the Lord. 14-22 can be isolated as 9 separate but connected, separate in the face that each one is defined by a trait that is not dependent apone the other. while connected as aspect to be lived out in antisipation of the day of the Lord. plus you also have to take the general context of why the letter was written. false teachers were throwing this church into chaos. hence the use of kalos, because the church there was to look on the outward teachings and examine them against the Word of God. not the word agathos like the verse you mention, because like the definition, it is unseen. don't talk about context then connect verses out of context with the only thing holding them thgether being your opinion.

does your Greek still not need these little helps? and btw the context i posted in was about testing scripter, nothing on WoF doctrin of Faith....

[FONT=&quot]14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Rejoice evermore.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Pray without ceasing.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Quench not the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Despise not prophesyings.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.[/FONT]

agathos: good

Original Word: ἀγαθός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: agathos
Phonetic Spelling: (ag-ath-os')
Short Definition: good
Definition: intrinsically good, good in nature, good whether it be seen to be so or not, the widest and most colorless of all words with this meaning.

kalos: beautiful, good

Original Word: καλός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: kalos
Phonetic Spelling: (kal-os')
Short Definition: beautiful, good, worthy
Definition: beautiful, as an outward sign of the inward good, noble, honorable character; good, worthy, honorable, noble, and seen to be so.
agathos=\=[FONT=&quot]kilos[/FONT]

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