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LouiseC

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says you, and not God so far, or he will have brought them along. You have no clue the hundreds of people I deal with in daily life, I run a dance school with over 200 students I have taught, I taught guitar in several schools since I was 16, I am an artist who deals with customers every day, and sell my works to over 10 countries world wide. I am no hermit. I will go where the lord leads, and he has lead me away from religious people, as the bible speaks loud and clear about.
 

17Bees

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That's all very interesting......something that struck me, you are Catholic but you believe we are saved by grace and not saved even in part by works? Yes obviously the result of faith is the fruit of works. To me this is a protestant belief. I have been to a couple of churches, I can't stand them, even the smallish ones. I feel they lack the grace of god. I do believe if you are to dip your toe into mixing with people concerning something so precious as your faith, you would have to know that everyone in the room was a true believer, so that when people start talking and giving advice, that advice is not poison to your spirit. To know your whole church are believers is something I think you can only have within a small home church of no more than 15 or 20 people...otherwise how can the lord expect you to know that all 200 people in a church are believers....or even that your pastor is a true believer, when you don't even know him on a personal bases. Or he is so full of pride in leading a huge group of people, that he is amazingly good at coming across so humble and happy and at peace and doing everything right in his life, supposedly.
Yes, I believe we are saved by the Grace of God. And not even "in part by works" but in conjunction with Grace. In other words, I believe the saving Grace compels good works - that the one doesn't happen without the other's result. I think this is why there is some disagreement about the "faith alone" dogma.
 
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missy2014

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I'm looking to see if there are any Christians who have the same faith as me...because looking through these threads I haven't found anyone.
So here goes:
I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and I believe we are all born into sin, and totally corrupted and a slave to it, unless we reach out to Christ and are saved by grace, not works.

I don't go to church. I totally believe almost all churches, unless they are like small home gatherings, have been corrupted and taken over by pretenders who enjoy the power of leading a group and being able to manipulate these people. I don't believe any true christian goes to church or continues to go to one. They are devoid of Grace. Either you eventually leave, or you lose your faith in order to continue. The early churches were formed as small house gatherings, to read letters from those chosen to write gods word (such as the apostles and Paul etc). In those days there was not a printing press, so it wasn't possible to read gods word on your own. Now it is, so we don't need to go to a church building to be lectured as if we can't read or buy a bible. I also believe the most toxic person is a fake Christian, and we need to avoid them like the plague. Everyone else, other non-christians are find to be friends with on a light level. True Christians are a breath of fresh air.

I never read 'Christian books', those self help style ones devoid of grace that attempt to explain the bible and how it helps us in modern times, as if we don't even have the spirit of God to translate his word for us. They are actually a good indication of a fake Christian, those who read them a lot or continue to read them.

I love reading the bible, at least once per day, and these days as I am going through a trial I read it multiple times. The word is alive to me, it breathes, almost dances on the page it's incredible, so full of grace. And even when I don't read anything specific to my situations, I still feel more peace afterwards and can do more in my day than I could have without it.

When I read the bible, it confirms what I have found in Christ....it doesn't teach me in the way most books teach rules and things to do. It confirms the grace I have received. I never read the bible before I knew god, I don't believe people really find God through reading it specifically, I think they first have to find God, and then the bible confirms in their hearts what they have received. I also don't think people find god through proving his existence, you have to actually want to do his will, and give up your own. You also have to be willing to see you are a sinner, and need saving.

Because the lgbt thing is so big right now, and it is seen as such a loving thing to embrace it (and now is the in thing for fake christians to use as a way to make them look like nice people), I should clarify I do believe that the sexual acts between two men or two women, are sin, and as we are all born into sin I believe gays are born with that tendency, just as we are all born with different sinful tendencies. I certainly don't discriminate against these people though, we should treat them as we do any other person. They are no worse than anyone else or me in fact.

I have never met anyone outside my family who have become Christians. I have met plenty of fakes, and had several guys pretend to become one to try and get me to marry them. It is a lonely world for a Christian, we a re few and far between, but I am truly blessed both my parents and two sisters now (not my brother, yet) actually know god and have the spirit. I am truly blessed they aren't fake christians who would attack my faith.

Anyway, there is more I am sure, but if you can relate to what I have said above, let me know! I'd love to hear from you and perhaps you want to hear from me.
One can say their Australian because you eat australian foods put on an Australian accent but in reality their a Aussie fan living and raise in the USA. Same with anyone who claims they are saved but say things you're saying who don't want to follow the bible I'm not judging you were saved but stopped going back to church and because of that all backslidden have your attitude hurt disillusioned and feel everyone judging you you need authority you need God and your not own boss . If the lost don't come or attend how they gonna get saved? God can restore your heart for him. I know your meant to go back not under the special circumstances for one not to attend church please back time is up and Jesus is coming back extremely soon . Give your past experience to God get prayerful healing and return All the best
 

17Bees

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That's all very interesting......something that struck me, you are Catholic but you believe we are saved by grace and not saved even in part by works? Yes obviously the result of faith is the fruit of works. To me this is a protestant belief. I have been to a couple of churches, I can't stand them, even the smallish ones. I feel they lack the grace of god. I do believe if you are to dip your toe into mixing with people concerning something so precious as your faith, you would have to know that everyone in the room was a true believer, so that when people start talking and giving advice, that advice is not poison to your spirit. To know your whole church are believers is something I think you can only have within a small home church of no more than 15 or 20 people...otherwise how can the lord expect you to know that all 200 people in a church are believers....or even that your pastor is a true believer, when you don't even know him on a personal bases. Or he is so full of pride in leading a huge group of people, that he is amazingly good at coming across so humble and happy and at peace and doing everything right in his life, supposedly.
oh, and something else. You're right, you won't know who among you is faithful and who isn't. I'd submit though that it's immaterial. You remember that story in Mark 9 about John telling Jesus that someone was driving out demons in His name? And Jesus told him not to stop him because no one who performs a miracle in His name can turn around and speak evil of Him. I think a discerning spirit will eventually "see". Have faith!
 

Lynx

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I'm reminded of an old saying: "If your religion is so exclusive that only you understand it, you are in a very dangerous place."

I'm also reminded of another forum member here, pete13. LouiseC you sound so much like pete13 that I could almost believe you are the same person with two accounts. You really need to meet that guy, I think y'all would get along great. :cool:
 

cinder

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Don't pay attention to tintin.. He likes to put women down and argue like an unsaved girl.. loves to point out flaws yet claim to hate the Holier type..
That is both untrue and uncalled for. Tintin is one of the most gracious and well respected members around singles. He just hates crap theology. Calling out the OP for her inconsistency and ridiculous assumptions about who is or is not a real christian is simply good discussion and helping people think things through.
 

breno785au

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We have a member here named Yet that you may get along with. Hates churches, hates leadership. And is all I this and I that, look em up.
 

Fenner

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I'm not like you but I am a lot like me.
 

Tinkerbell725

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I'm looking to see if there are any Christians who have the same faith as me...because looking through these threads I haven't found anyone.
You have to look harder. I know people here who sound like you, you should meet them. Or you need eyes that can see through the hearts of people just to be sure.
 

Lynx

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We have a member here named Yet that you may get along with. Hates churches, hates leadership. And is all I this and I that, look em up.
THANK you! I was trying to remember that user name.

LouiseC you should look up a forum member here with the user name "Yet." He sounds so much like you that you might be his daughter. He goes on (a lot) about how all churches are corrupt and completely ignores the part of the Bible that says we should not forsake christian assemblies.
 
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Tintin

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That's all very interesting......something that struck me, you are Catholic but you believe we are saved by grace and not saved even in part by works? Yes obviously the result of faith is the fruit of works. To me this is a protestant belief. I have been to a couple of churches, I can't stand them, even the smallish ones. I feel they lack the grace of god. I do believe if you are to dip your toe into mixing with people concerning something so precious as your faith, you would have to know that everyone in the room was a true believer, so that when people start talking and giving advice, that advice is not poison to your spirit. To know your whole church are believers is something I think you can only have within a small home church of no more than 15 or 20 people...otherwise how can the lord expect you to know that all 200 people in a church are believers....or even that your pastor is a true believer, when you don't even know him on a personal bases. Or he is so full of pride in leading a huge group of people, that he is amazingly good at coming across so humble and happy and at peace and doing everything right in his life, supposedly.
I'm not Catholic. I'm Lutheran. Or more importantly, a follower of Christ.
 
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Tintin

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Don't pay attention to tintin.. He likes to put women down and argue like an unsaved girl.. loves to point out flaws yet claim to hate the Holier type..
I don't put women down. There are few women that rub me the wrong way on CC. Very few. But there are some. And I don't argue like an unsaved girl. I'm a guy and I'm saved. I try to only point out flaws in people who are regularly hypocritical and/or perpetuate poor theology. And God knows I don't think I'm perfect. I've never claimed that much.
 
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TemporaryCircumstances

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About church;
I think having a good genuine Christian family is wonderful....
Especially for people in situations like mine where family does not believe it's good to have somewhere like a church to go to so you can ask questions, or just get Christian fellowship......
 
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Ugly

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Wow, you are incredibly aggressive I have to say. Those other threads are called honest struggles, Christians go through struggles because we are growing in faith. I guess you don't experience those in your life, lucky you.
So when you screw up and have struggles it's because you're still growing in your faith. But every other person in the world, except your own family members, are fakes for having their struggles. Got it.

And yes, you do sound very religious. You have crowned yourself judge over all you meet. You have declared thousands and thousands of people fakes and frauds, people you've never met, people whose names you don't know or even what they look like or what city they live in. You judge their hearts and condemn them as unworthy frauds. Meanwhile you place yourself, and those closest to you, as above everyone else and among the few that have any real spiritual belief and to be the few truthful and honest ones in a world of liars.
Who would ever think that sounds like a pharisee? Hmm.
This is cult mentality. 'Our small group are the only ones who are right, everyone outside of us is evil'. I've witnessed this kind of mindset before. Guess where. In a home church. This small home church, who thought the whole world was against them, encouraged a 16 year old girl to run away because her Christian parents didn't approve of their churches teachings. They sent someone who had once been a friend of mine, and a few others, to my door with veiled threats to intimidate me for sharing my negative experiences with others, about their church. Essentially demanding that i stop talking negatively about their small home church group. A new friend i made there was forbidden to talk to me, which he did for a while anyways. But you could tell he was unsettled, at best, and a bit fearful, of the people in this small home church that believed they were the ones who were right and the rest of the world was evil.

Most bad churches, cult churches and good churches all start from home churches. All start from the same source, so to think home churches are some magic thing that highlights wrong teachings is ridiculous. Home churches make it easy for false teachers to drag people further down than a large church allows.
 

maxwel

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I don't put women down. There are few women that rub me the wrong way on CC. Very few. But there are some. And I don't argue like an unsaved girl. I'm a guy and I'm saved. I try to only point out flaws in people who are regularly hypocritical and/or perpetuate poor theology. And God knows I don't think I'm perfect. I've never claimed that much.
Did someone just say you argue like a girl?
;)

I'm going to remember that one.

Next time I'm losing an argument, I'll give em one of these:
"And you know what else? You argue like a GIRL!!"

Tintin, I will never ever ever let you forget this.
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TemporaryCircumstances

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Did someone just say you argue like a girl?
;)

I'm going to remember that one.

Next time I'm losing an argument, I'll give em one of these:
"And you know what else? You argue like a GIRL!!"

Tintin, I will never ever ever let you forget this.
;)

Girls usually win arguments anyway, so it's really a compliment...