Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!
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I went back and read this post. There were no Scripture references. It was a sloppy mess, format wise. I thought if I could have gotten through the poor writing, it might have had some merit. But I will never know.
Besides, I told you that when you had answered my OP, then we could talk about your verses. That still hasn't happened. I would love to discuss the Bible on this thread, but you don't seem to have much on that after 46 pages. I again will urge you to read the Bible in context. Let the Holy Spirit use the words to teach you, instead of cult leaders at your college.
By the way Wanderer, this is a thread I started, to talk about Biblical evidence for WoF or not. I am tired of you making it all about your Bible college or Hagin. (Do you go to a Wesleyan College or Rhema? Someone posted it was Wesleyan, but you have not seemed to mention a word about what you are learning there.)
I will report you, if you do not address the OP in your next posts. I had hoped this thread would die a natural death, having proved in so many ways, by so many people, the evils of the WoF movement, according to the Bible.
But you have tried to make it your own thread, instead. Do that teach you that sort of deceit at Rhema? Just wondering!
Oh, yes, regarding your 6 years of being a Christian - I have been saved for 36 years, and spent 7 years in seminary, going part time and learning the maximum about the Bible and my relationship with Christ with each course. I was saved out of the New Age movement. Kenyon, despite dying well before this movement, sure sounded a LOT like a New Ager to me! And of course, his successors in Hagin, Copeland and all the other false prophets with their twisting of the Bible and pulling things out of context!
Maybe you need to spend another 10 or 20 years studying the actual Bible, before you come on here criticizing your elders. And respecting us, (not just me, but many others) would also be the Scriptural thing to do!
Besides, I told you that when you had answered my OP, then we could talk about your verses. That still hasn't happened. I would love to discuss the Bible on this thread, but you don't seem to have much on that after 46 pages. I again will urge you to read the Bible in context. Let the Holy Spirit use the words to teach you, instead of cult leaders at your college.
By the way Wanderer, this is a thread I started, to talk about Biblical evidence for WoF or not. I am tired of you making it all about your Bible college or Hagin. (Do you go to a Wesleyan College or Rhema? Someone posted it was Wesleyan, but you have not seemed to mention a word about what you are learning there.)
I will report you, if you do not address the OP in your next posts. I had hoped this thread would die a natural death, having proved in so many ways, by so many people, the evils of the WoF movement, according to the Bible.
But you have tried to make it your own thread, instead. Do that teach you that sort of deceit at Rhema? Just wondering!
Oh, yes, regarding your 6 years of being a Christian - I have been saved for 36 years, and spent 7 years in seminary, going part time and learning the maximum about the Bible and my relationship with Christ with each course. I was saved out of the New Age movement. Kenyon, despite dying well before this movement, sure sounded a LOT like a New Ager to me! And of course, his successors in Hagin, Copeland and all the other false prophets with their twisting of the Bible and pulling things out of context!
Maybe you need to spend another 10 or 20 years studying the actual Bible, before you come on here criticizing your elders. And respecting us, (not just me, but many others) would also be the Scriptural thing to do!
Here is a verse or two for you, in case you think God does not require you to respect your elders!
"Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” 1 Peter 5:5
"You shall stand up before the gray head and honor the face of an old man (woman!), and you shall fear your God: I am the Lord." Lev. 19:32
I definitely have gray hair, and I am proud of the implications and the wisdom that comes with age. As for whether I am an elder or not - well, I am a pastor/chaplain and on the preaching team of my church. But more important, I have been studying the Bible and living for Christ now for more of my life than before I was saved out of utter darkness!
"Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” 1 Peter 5:5
"You shall stand up before the gray head and honor the face of an old man (woman!), and you shall fear your God: I am the Lord." Lev. 19:32
I definitely have gray hair, and I am proud of the implications and the wisdom that comes with age. As for whether I am an elder or not - well, I am a pastor/chaplain and on the preaching team of my church. But more important, I have been studying the Bible and living for Christ now for more of my life than before I was saved out of utter darkness!
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nope
you are a legend in your own mind...not mine nor most other peoples here...their posts do not reflect the great respect you have for yourself or the great lack of respect you have demonstrated since your original op wherein you were going to educate the forum on WOF...
and here you go, insulting again because you have nothing else to stand on but your own indignation at being reproved for your ignorance concerning the origins of your beliefs...which are unbiblical as most here have proven to you
you didn't answer about how it is you believe you are saved from birth
your age is not a factor...it's your intelligence, personality and ability to actually acknowledge what others write and not take offence and accuse and insult
your personality seems easily offended and angered, your ability to discuss with people who disagree with your views without going off the rails is almost non-existent and as far as your intelligence goes, well younger people than you who frequent this forum could run circles around you..not to mention they are not constantly offended even if they are shown to be wrong
stick a pin in yourself and let out the hot air
you are a legend in your own mind...not mine nor most other peoples here...their posts do not reflect the great respect you have for yourself or the great lack of respect you have demonstrated since your original op wherein you were going to educate the forum on WOF...
and here you go, insulting again because you have nothing else to stand on but your own indignation at being reproved for your ignorance concerning the origins of your beliefs...which are unbiblical as most here have proven to you
you didn't answer about how it is you believe you are saved from birth
your age is not a factor...it's your intelligence, personality and ability to actually acknowledge what others write and not take offence and accuse and insult
your personality seems easily offended and angered, your ability to discuss with people who disagree with your views without going off the rails is almost non-existent and as far as your intelligence goes, well younger people than you who frequent this forum could run circles around you..not to mention they are not constantly offended even if they are shown to be wrong
stick a pin in yourself and let out the hot air
THEN RESPOND TO THIS
Jesus Heals at Peter's House
14When Jesus arrived at Peter’s house, He saw Peter’s mother-in-law sick in bed with a fever. 15He touched her hand, and the fever lefther, and she got up and began to serve them. 16When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to Jesus, and He drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick.…
Ok, first looking at Matt 8:17 to see the fulfillment of Isa 53 we can all agree on that I hope but what I want to point out was the fact that it was fulfilled by a Physical healing, not spiritual. So I want to post a few other commentaries pointing to the face that the verse in context is referring to physical healing.
Matthew 8:17. rophetic citation, apposite, felicitous; setting Christ’s healing ministry in a true light; giving prominence not to the thaumaturgic but to the sympathetic aspect; from the Hebrew original, the Sept[53] making the text (Isaiah 53:4) refer to sin. The Hebrew refers to sicknesses and pains. It is useless to discuss the precise meaning of ἔλαβεν and ἐβάστασεν: took and bore, or took and bore away; subjective or objective? The evangelist would note, not merely that Jesus actually did remove diseases, but that He was minded to do so: such was His bent.
Matthew 8:17. Ὅπως πληρωθῇ, that it might be fulfilled) It behoved that the Physician of the soul should also remove bodily complaints from those who came in His way.[376] In this manner also, therefore, was fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah. Body and soul together form one man: the corrupting principle of both soul and body is one [namely sin]; one and the same aid was given to both by this great Physician, as the case required.—ἔλαβε, took) i.e. removed from us.
[376] And of whom the extraordinary numbers are from time to time noticed, Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35-36 (Luke 4:21), Matthew 12:15, Matthew 15:30, Matthew 21:14.
Now onto the quoted verse in 1 peter
1 Peter 2:24King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
I want to focus on a few words here, and there meaning in Greek.
iaomai: to heal
Original Word: ἰάομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: iaomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ah'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I heal
Definition: I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease.
dikaiosuné: righteousness, justice
Original Word: δικαιοσύνη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: dikaiosuné
Phonetic Spelling: (dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay)
Short Definition: justice, justness, righteousness
Definition: (usually if not always in a Jewish atmosphere), justice, justness, righteousness, righteousness of which God is the source or author, but practically: a divine righteousness.
HELPS Word-studies
1343 dikaiosýnē (from 1349 /díkē, "a judicial verdict") – properly, judicial approval (the verdict of approval); in the NT, the approval of God ("divine approval").
1343 /dikaiosýnē ("divine approval") is the regular NT term used for righteousness ("God's judicial approval"). 1343 /dikaiosýnē ("the approval of God") refers to what is deemed right by the Lord(after His examination), i.e. what is approved in His eyes.
Ok so the context or exegesis is that along with the promise of salvation, that there were physical real world benefits that were providing not just a spiritual revival to him, but a physical.
“the corrupting principle of both soul and body is one [namely sin]; one and the same aid was given to both by this great Physician, as the case required.—ἔλαβε, took) i.e. removed from us.”
The fact that we are three part being, a soul renewed by God, and a flesh that can be healed by God. “Body and soul together form one man” the Lord redeemed us from our sins and sicknesses at the same time. Accordingly, if we believe that Christ redeemed us from our sins, we should believe that He redeemed us from our sicknesses also. If we cannot believe in both kinds of redemption, we must not believe in any kind of redemption, for Jesus carried away both! we are already healed. If we are sick it is because of a lack of the right kind of knowledge, which is a lack of a belief in an area because we know it not, or a outright rejection of the belief, constituting a lack of Faith.
Let me ask this question, if a prophecy is made of a redemptive work that includes spiritual and physical healing.
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to heal
NASB Word Usage
become fresh (3), completely healed (1), heal (24), healed (22), healer (1), healing (2), heals (3), physician (1), physicians (4), purified (2), reappeared (1), repaired (2), take care
and is fulfilled by a physical healing,
15He touched her hand, and the fever lefther, and she got up and began to serve them.
And was mentioned in context again with both spiritual, and physical healing.
iaomai: to heal
Definition: I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease.
But here is more on how we are to we are healed both physically and spiritually.
The Prayer of Faith
…14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15Andthe prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. TheLord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. 16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail.…
In context it is speaking of both the physical and spiritual needs being met by Christ in the context of the previously mentioned verses.
15. and the prayer of faith shall save the sick] The context leaves no doubt that the primary thought is, as in our Lord’s words to men and women whom He healed, “Thy faith hath saved thee”—“thy faith hath made thee whole” (Matthew 9:22; Mark 5:34; Mark 10:52; Luke 7:50; Luke 8:48; Luke 17:19; Luke 18:42), that the sick man should in such a case “recover his bodily health.” The “prayer of faith” was indeed not limited to that recovery in its scope, but the answer to that prayer in its higher aims, is given separately afterwards in the promise of forgiveness.
and the Lord shall raise him up] Here, as in James 5:14, we have to think of St James as recognising not merely the power of God generally, but specifically that of the Lord Jesus, still working through His servants, as He worked personally on earth. So Peter said to Æneas, “Jesus Christ maketh thee whole” (Acts 9:34).
It is clear in the word that God, is still active in healing.
Acts 10:38King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
The same Holy Ghost that was in Christ is active in us and in the world
The primary way a believer receives God's healing power is through faith in God's Word. Believers shouldn't require a sign or wonder to believe in God's healing power. Jesus got upset when people required signs and wonders from him to believe in his healing power [John 4:48, Luke 1:18-20]. He praised people who just received his healing power by faith [Matthew 8:10 and Luke 7:9].
If we would simple take his word and believe it true.
Jesus Heals at Peter's House
14When Jesus arrived at Peter’s house, He saw Peter’s mother-in-law sick in bed with a fever. 15He touched her hand, and the fever lefther, and she got up and began to serve them. 16When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to Jesus, and He drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick.…
Ok, first looking at Matt 8:17 to see the fulfillment of Isa 53 we can all agree on that I hope but what I want to point out was the fact that it was fulfilled by a Physical healing, not spiritual. So I want to post a few other commentaries pointing to the face that the verse in context is referring to physical healing.
Matthew 8:17. rophetic citation, apposite, felicitous; setting Christ’s healing ministry in a true light; giving prominence not to the thaumaturgic but to the sympathetic aspect; from the Hebrew original, the Sept[53] making the text (Isaiah 53:4) refer to sin. The Hebrew refers to sicknesses and pains. It is useless to discuss the precise meaning of ἔλαβεν and ἐβάστασεν: took and bore, or took and bore away; subjective or objective? The evangelist would note, not merely that Jesus actually did remove diseases, but that He was minded to do so: such was His bent.
Matthew 8:17. Ὅπως πληρωθῇ, that it might be fulfilled) It behoved that the Physician of the soul should also remove bodily complaints from those who came in His way.[376] In this manner also, therefore, was fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah. Body and soul together form one man: the corrupting principle of both soul and body is one [namely sin]; one and the same aid was given to both by this great Physician, as the case required.—ἔλαβε, took) i.e. removed from us.
[376] And of whom the extraordinary numbers are from time to time noticed, Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35-36 (Luke 4:21), Matthew 12:15, Matthew 15:30, Matthew 21:14.
Now onto the quoted verse in 1 peter
1 Peter 2:24King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
I want to focus on a few words here, and there meaning in Greek.
iaomai: to heal
Original Word: ἰάομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: iaomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ah'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I heal
Definition: I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease.
dikaiosuné: righteousness, justice
Original Word: δικαιοσύνη, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: dikaiosuné
Phonetic Spelling: (dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay)
Short Definition: justice, justness, righteousness
Definition: (usually if not always in a Jewish atmosphere), justice, justness, righteousness, righteousness of which God is the source or author, but practically: a divine righteousness.
HELPS Word-studies
1343 dikaiosýnē (from 1349 /díkē, "a judicial verdict") – properly, judicial approval (the verdict of approval); in the NT, the approval of God ("divine approval").
1343 /dikaiosýnē ("divine approval") is the regular NT term used for righteousness ("God's judicial approval"). 1343 /dikaiosýnē ("the approval of God") refers to what is deemed right by the Lord(after His examination), i.e. what is approved in His eyes.
Ok so the context or exegesis is that along with the promise of salvation, that there were physical real world benefits that were providing not just a spiritual revival to him, but a physical.
“the corrupting principle of both soul and body is one [namely sin]; one and the same aid was given to both by this great Physician, as the case required.—ἔλαβε, took) i.e. removed from us.”
The fact that we are three part being, a soul renewed by God, and a flesh that can be healed by God. “Body and soul together form one man” the Lord redeemed us from our sins and sicknesses at the same time. Accordingly, if we believe that Christ redeemed us from our sins, we should believe that He redeemed us from our sicknesses also. If we cannot believe in both kinds of redemption, we must not believe in any kind of redemption, for Jesus carried away both! we are already healed. If we are sick it is because of a lack of the right kind of knowledge, which is a lack of a belief in an area because we know it not, or a outright rejection of the belief, constituting a lack of Faith.
Let me ask this question, if a prophecy is made of a redemptive work that includes spiritual and physical healing.
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to heal
NASB Word Usage
become fresh (3), completely healed (1), heal (24), healed (22), healer (1), healing (2), heals (3), physician (1), physicians (4), purified (2), reappeared (1), repaired (2), take care
and is fulfilled by a physical healing,
15He touched her hand, and the fever lefther, and she got up and began to serve them.
And was mentioned in context again with both spiritual, and physical healing.
iaomai: to heal
Definition: I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease.
But here is more on how we are to we are healed both physically and spiritually.
The Prayer of Faith
…14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15Andthe prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. TheLord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. 16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail.…
In context it is speaking of both the physical and spiritual needs being met by Christ in the context of the previously mentioned verses.
15. and the prayer of faith shall save the sick] The context leaves no doubt that the primary thought is, as in our Lord’s words to men and women whom He healed, “Thy faith hath saved thee”—“thy faith hath made thee whole” (Matthew 9:22; Mark 5:34; Mark 10:52; Luke 7:50; Luke 8:48; Luke 17:19; Luke 18:42), that the sick man should in such a case “recover his bodily health.” The “prayer of faith” was indeed not limited to that recovery in its scope, but the answer to that prayer in its higher aims, is given separately afterwards in the promise of forgiveness.
and the Lord shall raise him up] Here, as in James 5:14, we have to think of St James as recognising not merely the power of God generally, but specifically that of the Lord Jesus, still working through His servants, as He worked personally on earth. So Peter said to Æneas, “Jesus Christ maketh thee whole” (Acts 9:34).
It is clear in the word that God, is still active in healing.
Acts 10:38King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
The same Holy Ghost that was in Christ is active in us and in the world
The primary way a believer receives God's healing power is through faith in God's Word. Believers shouldn't require a sign or wonder to believe in God's healing power. Jesus got upset when people required signs and wonders from him to believe in his healing power [John 4:48, Luke 1:18-20]. He praised people who just received his healing power by faith [Matthew 8:10 and Luke 7:9].
If we would simple take his word and believe it true.
that was post #513 and you brushed it off, if its out of context then pick it apart and prove it! and its funny how you talk of it being sloppy but the context i assure you from the post you mention to my last is spot on. so there i'll answer you again! lets discuss it. and guess what like i said earlier, i go to both college's. go a head and report me with my last post you will look very silly. and i have not tried to make it my own, i tried to descuse you run away from that because you can't. and i doubt the red highly, you don't speak that way if you did you would pick my post apart and show me how i am wrong.... and you have some years but i see no evidence of it, if you do show it pick apart that post. maybee you need to stop and think you might just not know everything and that a 28 year old might have it right, at least if you cant refute what i said. and criticizing you, nope haven't, called you out for not acting your age, yes, yes i have done that.
This is the kind of judgemental and condemnatory statement I started this whole thread for. To show in the BIBLE why it is wrong. You just keep on putting up these very cruel and damaging statements. There is NOWHERE in the Bible it says we are healed every time we ask! That is the WoF lie in a nutshell. This is why my friend died of breast cancer. Because she thought she did have the faith. What she did not have, was God's will in the matter.
By the way, your formatting is still poor. All that bold text slammed together, the ridiculous copy and pasting of Strong's which adds nothing to the discussion. Is that what they teach you? I wouldn't have written like that in high school.
As I said, it is incumbent upon you to disprove the OP. I am not going to address these out of context verses, you keep putting up.
As far as Jesus healing - well of course he did! You don't need to post over and over Jesus healing miracles in the Bible. I believe he did them. I believe the Bible. They were a sign of the veracity of his ministry and to confirm who he was. He was the Son of God, and the gospels were all about showing who Jesus was, and what he did to fulfill OT prophecy. Including a ministry of healing.
I believe in healing. But, it is not covered in the atonement, and it is certainly NOT ON DEMAND.
So, Wanderer, have you ever been sick a day in your life?? Just curious!
I guess posting Bible verses is not enough for you. I guess not engaging in your immature baiting and attacks is not enough for you. I guess you do not understand the Bible or New Testament times to understand respect, let alone humility gentleness or any other fruit of the Spirit.
I pray that God will not deal too harshly with you, young man, in order to set you straight. When you first came on CC, I thought I saw a young man who was eager to know the truth of the Bible and hungry for God. I guess I was wrong, but I will still pray for you, anyway. That God will let these vipers who have brainwashed you let go of you, so that you may truly learn what it means to know and serve God.
I don't have much time at the moment wanderer but I want to post a couple of sites for you to read. The first one right at the beginning is what keyon's daughter said. The second site is from a person who left wof and also attended rhema. I will give the rest of your post it's due probably tommorow. Thanks!
https://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/10/14/hagin_copied_kenyon/
My bad, I gave the same site twice, will post later.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
https://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/10/14/hagin_copied_kenyon/
My bad, I gave the same site twice, will post later.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Here is the second site with the persons testimony. And btw, I can find hundreds of testimonies from people who left wof. 
https://mkayla.wordpress.com/2009/1...hing-methods-of-kenneth-e-hagin-junker-jorge/
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
https://mkayla.wordpress.com/2009/1...hing-methods-of-kenneth-e-hagin-junker-jorge/
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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from the article by Kenyon's daughter...as I stated, MOST people familiar with WOF know that Hagin plagerized it...the article has quite a bit more to it...but the following is succinct
that being said, the teachings are not biblical irregardless who started them
Plagiarism, Kenyon and the Word-of-Faith Movement
A few (8) samples of what is called ‘plagiarism’…
Kenneth Hagin apparently had no conscience about copying word for word
his “revelations” of the Word of Faith from Kenyon’s books, published some time earlier.
Kenyon’s own daughter, Ruth Kenyon Houseworth, easily recognizes her father’s message upon the lips of Faith leaders. She says:
that being said, the teachings are not biblical irregardless who started them
Plagiarism, Kenyon and the Word-of-Faith Movement
A few (8) samples of what is called ‘plagiarism’…
Kenneth Hagin apparently had no conscience about copying word for word
his “revelations” of the Word of Faith from Kenyon’s books, published some time earlier.
Kenyon’s own daughter, Ruth Kenyon Houseworth, easily recognizes her father’s message upon the lips of Faith leaders. She says:
“They’ve (Faith teachers) all copied from my dad. [E. W. Kenyon] They’ve changed it a little bit and added their own touch….but they couldn’t change the wording…These that are coming along now that have been in the ministry for just a few years and claiming that this is something that they are just starting, it makes you laugh a little bit. It’s very difficult for some people to be big enough to give credit to somebody else.” [ E.W. Kenyon, The Father and His Family, Lynnwood WA.: Kenyon’s Gospel Publishing Society, 1964, p.118.]
A man who, on occasion, ministered with Kenyon was one time friend John Kennington, pastor of Emmanuel Temple in Portland, Oregon. He has this to say concerning the plagiarism of Kenyon’s teachings:
“Today Kenyon’s teachings are in the ascendancy. Via the electronic church or in the printed page I readily recognize not only Kenyon’s concepts, but at times , I recognize pure plagiarism, for I can almost tell you book, chapter and page where the material is coming from. Kenyon has become the ‘father’ of the so-called ‘Faith’ movement.”
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this is perfect WOF theology...let's take a look at a mother who tried that theology
Here is an example (from CBN’s website) on how to pray believing for “your personal” miracle (though they give themselves an out by not guaranteeing your desired outcome). Can I Be Healed? | CBN.com
To my eternal regret, we hurt and deceived a lot of people by essentially lying about the baby’s condition, because if you admitted there was a problem, even allowed yourself the tiniest thought there might be a problem, you wouldn’t get your miracle (in New Age circles this idea is called “positive thinking” to an extreme, and obviously unhealthy end).
In my naiveté and desperate hope, I clung to the belief my baby would live even after she lay dead in my husband’s arms. I firmly believed God would bring her back from the dead (and I know now how crazy this all sounds) and awe all the nay-saying doctors.
It wasn’t until her graveside funeral a week later, when we pulled up to the outdoor awning and I saw her casket, that reality finally hit me. It hit me so hard I refused to get out of the car. I didn’t want that reality; that was not what I had worked and prayed and vainly hoped and “believed in faith” so hard for.
But the death of my Elizabeth Ann nearly nine years ago, has spurred me to look before I leap, and research and study my Bible harder than ever. I can now say unequivocally that the Word of Faith movement doesn’t work based on my experience, and it is very un-Biblical. SOURCE
I have seen the same thing happen...a pastor's wife died, refusing treatment for the cancer she had...because if she accepted treatment, it would show no faith in God and He would not heal her!
and I have brought this same thing up in every recent thread on WOF and it is promptly ignored and I am told I have no faith
that is just plain sick ... to tell someone who is dying or has a loved one dying, you cannot say they are sick...you cannot get treatment...just confess you are healed...that is sick and twisted
