LIVE: Electoral College Voting December 19, 2016 (God be with Trump/Pence)

[AugustWest]

Without the Electoral College three counties in Ca, three cities on the East coast, and DC will always elect our president. The writers of our constitution were pretty smart.

One of the core tenets of democracy is that every individual should have an equal voice in the electoral process. If you believe that is right, you must question the legitimacy of our electoral college. Executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not 538 electors.

Simply dividing a state's population by the state's electoral votes approximates the number of voters represented by each elector.

Let's try California:
39,144,818 / 55 = 711,723

How about Wyoming:
586,107 / 3 = 195,369

and now to find the magnitude of the imbalance:

711,723 / 195,369 = 3.64

So why should a voter from WY have 3.64 times more representation than a voter from CA? Even without considering issues like gerrymandering and swing states, this inequality is unacceptable in any legitimate representative democracy.

I do think the authors of the Constitution were extremely smart, but this has become an antiquated system that disenfranchises millions of Americans. Under the original U.S. Constitution: only white male property owners could vote, and senators were appointed. Not elected. Our democracy has come a long way since then, and it still has some room for improvement.

 

[tourist]

New York Times just called it...
said Trump is over 270 now.


Here's NYT calling it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/us/politics/electoral-college-vote.html

Here's the tally:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/19/us/elections/electoral-college-results.html?_r=0


Seems Trump had 2 faithless electors, but Hillary had 4, and her count still isn't finished yet.

Actually Hillary had five 'cause one in Maine voted for Bernie. This vote was overturned and given to Hillary.

 

[maxwel]

One of the core tenets of democracy is that every individual should have an equal voice in the electoral process. If you believe that is right, you must question the legitimacy of our electoral college. Executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not 538 electors.

Simply dividing a state's population by the state's electoral votes approximates the number of voters represented by each elector.

Let's try California:
39,144,818 / 55 = 711,723

How about Wyoming:
586,107 / 3 = 195,369

and now to find the magnitude of the imbalance:

711,723 / 195,369 = 3.64

So why should a voter from WY have 3.64 times more representation than a voter from CA? Even without considering issues like gerrymandering and swing states, this inequality is unacceptable in any legitimate representative democracy.

I do think the authors of the Constitution were extremely smart, but this has become an antiquated system that disenfranchises millions of Americans. Under the original U.S. Constitution: only white male property owners could vote, and senators were appointed. Not elected. Our democracy has come a long way since then, and it still has some room for improvement.

So...

You JUST JOINED CC TODAY,
and made 1 POST,
so you could COMPLAIN about the ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE, that JUST FINISHED...
and your profile says you're not even a Christian.

Well, thank you for coming here to complain about politics.

That was lovely.

Thanks for thinking of us.

: )

 

[tourist]

One of the core tenets of democracy is that every individual should have an equal voice in the electoral process. If you believe that is right, you must question the legitimacy of our electoral college. Executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not 538 electors.

Simply dividing a state's population by the state's electoral votes approximates the number of voters represented by each elector.

Let's try California:
39,144,818 / 55 = 711,723

How about Wyoming:
586,107 / 3 = 195,369

and now to find the magnitude of the imbalance:

711,723 / 195,369 = 3.64

So why should a voter from WY have 3.64 times more representation than a voter from CA? Even without considering issues like gerrymandering and swing states, this inequality is unacceptable in any legitimate representative democracy.

I do think the authors of the Constitution were extremely smart, but this has become an antiquated system that disenfranchises millions of Americans. Under the original U.S. Constitution: only white male property owners could vote, and senators were appointed. Not elected. Our democracy has come a long way since then, and it still has some room for improvement.

So you would simply disenfranchise those that voted for the eventual winner? The problem with what your suggesting is that New York and California vote for the Democrat candidate like mindless lemmings regardless of their positons or personal character.

The United States is not a democracy but rather a republic. If it were a democracy the popular vote would always prevail and those in the minority would be the ones that would be disenfranchised.

Executive power is derived from winning an election by the set rules and procedures outlined in the US Constitution.

You sound like a sore loser who backed the wrong horse. Your math is fuzzy too.

 

[Desdichado]

So...

You JUST JOINED CC TODAY,
and made 1 POST,
so you could COMPLAIN about the ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE, that JUST FINISHED...
and your profile says you're not even a Christian.

Well, thank you for coming here to complain about politics.

That was lovely.

Thanks for thinking of us.

: )

All the politixies!

 

[Utah]

I'm curious... if Trump had won the popular vote but lost the EC, would you still feel the same way?

Tissue, Komrad?

 

[Utah]

Its quite unbelievable. People are sending death threats over this.I wouldn't be surprised to see some electors quit after this election.

I would love . . . love, love, love for any liberal to threaten me and truly mean it. I know it will never happen, but I can dream.

 

[Utah]

I don't like Trump (nor Clinton), but faithless electors are lying no good people and they should vote for whomever they are obliged to vote for. Unfortunately it is Trump this time.

Check with Ricky; I think he has the tissues.

 

[Utah]

If there is something I admire in my Democratic counterparts, it's their tenacity.

What do you expect from a godless death cult.

 

[maxwel]

Bit of humor...

Not only did Trump have 2 faithless electors while Hillary actually had 4,
but it looks like about 4 more TRIED to break away from Hillary,
but were removed and replaced.

It sounds like the Democrat electors really DID get the message about "voting your conscience."


The above info is sort of "buried" way down in the middle of this article.
Donald Trump wins Electoral College | Daily Mail Online

 

[Utah]

One of the core tenets of democracy is that every individual should have an equal voice in the electoral process. If you believe that is right, you must question the legitimacy of our electoral college. Executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not 538 electors.

Simply dividing a state's population by the state's electoral votes approximates the number of voters represented by each elector.

Let's try California:
39,144,818 / 55 = 711,723

How about Wyoming:
586,107 / 3 = 195,369

and now to find the magnitude of the imbalance:

711,723 / 195,369 = 3.64

So why should a voter from WY have 3.64 times more representation than a voter from CA? Even without considering issues like gerrymandering and swing states, this inequality is unacceptable in any legitimate representative democracy.

I do think the authors of the Constitution were extremely smart, but this has become an antiquated system that disenfranchises millions of Americans. Under the original U.S. Constitution: only white male property owners could vote, and senators were appointed. Not elected. Our democracy has come a long way since then, and it still has some room for improvement.

We don't live in a democracy. Try again.

 

[Desdichado]

Can't beat the liberals when it comes to protesting.

Bit of humor...

Not only did Trump have 2 faithless electors while Hillary actually had 4,
but it looks like about 4 more TRIED to break away from Hillary,
but were removed and replaced.

It sounds like the Democrat electors really DID get the message about "voting your conscience."


The above info is sort of "buried" way down in the middle of this article.
Donald Trump wins Electoral College | Daily Mail Online

 

[notuptome]

One of the core tenets of democracy is that every individual should have an equal voice in the electoral process. If you believe that is right, you must question the legitimacy of our electoral college. Executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not 538 electors.

Simply dividing a state's population by the state's electoral votes approximates the number of voters represented by each elector.

Let's try California:
39,144,818 / 55 = 711,723

How about Wyoming:
586,107 / 3 = 195,369

and now to find the magnitude of the imbalance:

711,723 / 195,369 = 3.64

So why should a voter from WY have 3.64 times more representation than a voter from CA? Even without considering issues like gerrymandering and swing states, this inequality is unacceptable in any legitimate representative democracy.

I do think the authors of the Constitution were extremely smart, but this has become an antiquated system that disenfranchises millions of Americans. Under the original U.S. Constitution: only white male property owners could vote, and senators were appointed. Not elected. Our democracy has come a long way since then, and it still has some room for improvement.

Each state receives one vote for each of it's representatives in congress. Of course each state has two senators regardless of their populations. When you rebalance your figures accordingly you find that that WY is more fairly represented than the number you used.

We are a constitutional republic not a constitutional democracy. Democracy is always mob rule and leads to socialism which when socialism become militant it becomes communism.

Nothing wrong with restricting voting to taxpayers. Why is it wrong to disenfranchise those who do not pay the bills?

Even the bible says that he who will not work shall not eat and the man who will not provide for his family is worse than an infidel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[AugustWest]

The U.S. is both a representative democracy and a constitutional republic. They are not mutually exclusive.

Anyway, I'm not a troll. I didn't say anything trollish, or make any personal comments. I signed up today to learn about Christianity, but this thread caught my eye, and it was the only topic I felt informed enough to comment on.

I'm sorry if we disagree.

 

[Tommy379]

One of the core tenets of democracy is that every individual should have an equal voice in the electoral process. If you believe that is right, you must question the legitimacy of our electoral college. Executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not 538 electors.

Simply dividing a state's population by the state's electoral votes approximates the number of voters represented by each elector.

Let's try California:
39,144,818 / 55 = 711,723

How about Wyoming:
586,107 / 3 = 195,369

and now to find the magnitude of the imbalance:

711,723 / 195,369 = 3.64

So why should a voter from WY have 3.64 times more representation than a voter from CA? Even without considering issues like gerrymandering and swing states, this inequality is unacceptable in any legitimate representative democracy.

I do think the authors of the Constitution were extremely smart, but this has become an antiquated system that disenfranchises millions of Americans. Under the original U.S. Constitution: only white male property owners could vote, and senators were appointed. Not elected. Our democracy has come a long way since then, and it still has some room for improvement.

Well Good thing the United States is a republic and in no way a democracy.

 

[Tommy379]

The U.S. is both a representative democracy and a constitutional republic. They are not mutually exclusive.

Anyway, I'm not a troll. I didn't say anything trollish, or make any personal comments. I signed up today to learn about Christianity, but this thread caught my eye, and it was the only topic I felt informed enough to comment on.

I'm sorry if we disagree.

The United States is not a representative democracy. Try article 4 section 4 of the US Constitution.

The authors and states that adopted it tried very hard to preclude any notions of democracy.

 

[Utah]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the REPUBLIC . . .

 

[Desdichado]

I would hesitate to use the pledge as a resource.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the REPUBLIC . . .

 

[Utah]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the democracy...

 

[zeroturbulence]

Wow, thanks to the liberals, Trump actually won this election three times over!

1. On Election Day
2. After the recount
3. After their attempt to turnover the electoral college

Does this remind anyone of a certain scripture??

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. - (Isaiah 54:17 KJV)

Amen!